If this is true, we are in trouble...

[Markle]

So, if the government, and businesses both shouldn't pay people well, or give them insurance, how are they supposed to get by, exactly?

This is what pisses me off about Republicans, they always kick down Americans like this, which is why it's in my signature.

It's totally true, Democrats care more about giving to foreigners so often, and Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less.

It's complete madness.

In 99 percent of the cases, people are paid their exact worth. If someone is worth more or gains more skills, they will be paid in accordance with their increased worth.

Please show us all where Republicans "always kick down Americans like this". How too are someones bad choices in life MY responsibility?

Saying that "Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less" is foolish, a sign of desperation. Grow up.

 

[Markle]

Agreed but the Tax Cut was just a quicker transfer from Poor and Middle Class to the Rich...

Give Tax Cut which 90% goes to Rich or Corporations. Money is borrowed to pay for that.

Prove it! Please share your reliable source and link.

Also, share with us specifically WHO pays corporate taxes. Where do the dollars paid by a corporation originate?

 

[Foxfyre]

/----/ Sears was the Amazon of its day. They pushed out the local Mom & Pop variety store who could not compete with the Sears, selection, prices, and catalog. They were the evil, greedy demon of their day. Sears, like Woolworth, had the $$$ resources and power to stomp Amazon into the ground but they ignored it and when they realized what happened it was too late.

The large retail chains were much more like the newspapers. Having been dominant for so many decades, they never considered the internet a threat. The big retail chains were in an ideal position to dominate the internet. They already had the distribution centers. Had they looked at the internet as the Sears Catalog of tomorrow, no one would have heard of Amazon today.

I agree that Sears failed to read the signs of the times and went about business as usual as it had served them well for a century. But as the bulk of America started researching products on line, Sears didn't understand what was happening, or their management were such dinosaurs that they didn't know how to respond to it. So as Lowe's and Walmart and Office Depot and Staples and most of the other big boys created user friendly on line shopping and were doing profitable on line business in addition to in store business, Sears was laying off people and wondering where the customers were.

Old School serves magnificently in culture and values, but it can be deadly when it comes to marketing or preparing oneself to prosper in a rapidly changing world.

I always had trouble with their service. I had to call them and fight about getting my mother’s wash machine repaired. They just hung up the phone on me.


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We have had much the same experience. As their customer base shrank they were no longer putting the training into employees who often were clueless about the products they were selling and lacked the most basic of people skills. All that was the slow but steady death spiral of a once magnificent corporation that dinosaured itself to death.

 

[gipper]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

You did not include your source for these statistics. Therefore, it is very hard to get a more in-depth picture of what is involved in each of them, and to then address them one way or the other.

Read the OP again.

I stated IT IS CLAIMED THESE STATISTICS ARE TRUE.

If you have not heard them before, you might want to do more reading.

 

[Cellblock2429]

So, if the government, and businesses both shouldn't pay people well, or give them insurance, how are they supposed to get by, exactly?

This is what pisses me off about Republicans, they always kick down Americans like this, which is why it's in my signature.

It's totally true, Democrats care more about giving to foreigners so often, and Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less.

It's complete madness.

In 99 percent of the cases, people are paid their exact worth. If someone is worth more or gains more skills, they will be paid in accordance with their increased worth.

Please show us all where Republicans "always kick down Americans like this". How too are someones bad choices in life MY responsibility?

Saying that "Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less" is foolish, a sign of desperation. Grow up.

/——/ it’s a liberal Strawman argument

 

[OnePercenter]

My solution for healthcare is to provide a single-payer non-profit private company (such as Kaiser) to negotiate prices from the healthcare insurance companies that already own or derive profit from 95% of current healthcare providers, which will bring healthcare costs down to a reasonable level.

Something nobody ever tried was lowering the cost of healthcare first, then finding a way to pay for it. We keep searching for ways to pay for healthcare without addressing the issues that make it too expensive in the first place. There are a dozen ways to do this; some of which would not cost us a dime. But nobody wants to address that problem. Just figure out who to send the bill to.

It was much cheaper prior to the deregulation of the HMO act and would have remained that way if not for Reagan.

That has nothing to do with it. You leftist always go back to the guy that left office 30 years ago, yet never blame anybody on the left through that time. You've had the presidency for 16 years after Reagan; some of them with an entire Democrat federal government. But it's always Reagan's fault.

However being in the medical arena for a decade, I've come to learn many things. I've seen the waste. I've seen the profits made off government and insurance alike. I've seen the legal fraud. I understand how our social programs are in the position they are in today.

Without going into a five page explanation of how we got here, I'll just give you some points to ponder:

You cannot expect kids to invest in advanced medical education to make what blue collar workers make. You cannot expect a person to invest four years of college to be an RN and make as much as a UPS driver. You cannot expect a person to invest 8 years of their life and borrowed money to become a doctor and make as much as much as a truck driver.

You can't expect a medical facility to survive on receiving two-thirds of payment because of government patients without finding a way to recoup that money; especially procedures that cost up to a half-million dollars. You can't expect insurance companies to maintain premiums when people are going to the doctor and sending the bill to them where it costs more to process a claim than it is to pay it.

You can't expect a doctor to charge you $30.00 for an office visit when he or she is paying six figures for malpractice insurance. You can't expect insurance rates to go down when doctors are so scared of lawsuits that they constantly send you so a specialist for every ailment you have instead of taking care of the problems themselves. You can't expect insurance costs to go down because a care giver has to give you every test under the sun not because you need them, but to cover their asses; also known as Defensive Medicine.

The HMO Act required HMO's to be non-profit. HMO's were the competition to for-profit medical providers in keeping product prices down.

You wrote that Democrats were also responsible. Please post the name of said Democrat and how he/she did such.

You stated that truck drivers make as much as Physicians. As a truck driver, please dedact personal information and post your paycheck stub to prove that.

Since 95% of healthcare providers are owned or derive profit for healthcare insurance companies, wouldn't it be in the best interest of healthcare providers (owned by the insurance company) to run more tests to collect more co-pays? AND the new rip-off......yearly deductibles for HMO's.

I never said truck drivers make as much as doctors. Better brush up on your comprehension skills.

Democrats fought Tort Reform and still do. They want to make sure their lawyer buddies are always part of the party. Trial lawyers contribute to the Dem party come election time.

Now please explain to me how doctors (who mostly work for hospitals) are profiting off of tests. They don't run all these tests for profit, they run those tests in the event somebody tries to sue them.

Ending Defensive Medicine Is Key To Containing Health Care Costs | Investor's Business Daily

I never said truck drivers make as much as doctors.

You wrote: "You cannot expect a person to invest 8 years of their life and borrowed money to become a doctor and make as much as much as a truck driver."

I wrote: "You stated that truck drivers make as much as Physicians. As a truck driver, please dedact personal information and post your paycheck stub to prove that."

Your turn, put-up or shut-up.

I wrote: "Since 95% of healthcare providers are owned or derive profit for healthcare insurance companies, wouldn't it be in the best interest of healthcare providers (owned by the insurance company) to run more tests to collect more co-pays? AND the new rip-off......yearly deductibles for HMO's."

You wrote: "Now please explain to me how doctors (who mostly work for hospitals) are profiting off of tests. They don't run all these tests for profit, they run those tests in the event somebody tries to sue them."

Who has the reading comprehension problem?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, if the government, and businesses both shouldn't pay people well, or give them insurance, how are they supposed to get by, exactly?

This is what pisses me off about Republicans, they always kick down Americans like this, which is why it's in my signature.

It's totally true, Democrats care more about giving to foreigners so often, and Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less.

It's complete madness.

In 99 percent of the cases, people are paid their exact worth. If someone is worth more or gains more skills, they will be paid in accordance with their increased worth.

Please show us all where Republicans "always kick down Americans like this". How too are someones bad choices in life MY responsibility?

Saying that "Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less" is foolish, a sign of desperation. Grow up.

Sometimes, but not necessarily. Some very smart people have worked lower end jobs like Nikola Tesla digging ditches, or Einstein filing patents.

Nikola Tesla's value is tremendous, some CEO who gives American jobs to foreigners not so much.

Yet Tesla died a poor man

 

[Foxfyre]

/----/ Sears was the Amazon of its day. They pushed out the local Mom & Pop variety store who could not compete with the Sears, selection, prices, and catalog. They were the evil, greedy demon of their day. Sears, like Woolworth, had the $$$ resources and power to stomp Amazon into the ground but they ignored it and when they realized what happened it was too late.

The large retail chains were much more like the newspapers. Having been dominant for so many decades, they never considered the internet a threat. The big retail chains were in an ideal position to dominate the internet. They already had the distribution centers. Had they looked at the internet as the Sears Catalog of tomorrow, no one would have heard of Amazon today.

I agree that Sears failed to read the signs of the times and went about business as usual as it had served them well for a century. But as the bulk of America started researching products on line, Sears didn't understand what was happening, or their management were such dinosaurs that they didn't know how to respond to it. So as Lowe's and Walmart and Office Depot and Staples and most of the other big boys created user friendly on line shopping and were doing profitable on line business in addition to in store business, Sears was laying off people and wondering where the customers were.

Old School serves magnificently in culture and values, but it can be deadly when it comes to marketing or preparing oneself to prosper in a rapidly changing world.

I always had trouble with their service. I had to call them and fight about getting my mother’s wash machine repaired. They just hung up the phone on me.


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/——-/ In 1970 I worked part time at Sears and a woman brought in a toaster that had to be 10 years old. She claimed it was practically new and was broken. They exchanged it no questions asked. By the 1980s their customer service went down hill.

My husband was a department manager at Sears when we got married. It was a good company then. He left after awhile for a job with better hours and more opportunity, and we kept buying at Sears until their deteriorating service and policies drove us away to more friendly places. It is a shame to see a national institution like that fold up, but they have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, if the government, and businesses both shouldn't pay people well, or give them insurance, how are they supposed to get by, exactly?

This is what pisses me off about Republicans, they always kick down Americans like this, which is why it's in my signature.

It's totally true, Democrats care more about giving to foreigners so often, and Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less.

It's complete madness.

Please show us all where Republicans "always kick down Americans like this". How too are someones bad choices in life MY responsibility?

Saying that "Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less" is foolish, a sign of desperation. Grow up.

Most Republicans are thoughtless savages & Democrats aren't much better.

A.) You don't understand Capitalism.
Capitalism is a system which creates winners & losers.
It doesn't matter how many people have, 100 percent could have college degrees & the economy demands what it demands which is a mixed skill sets with mixed wages.

B.) It is ridiculous to think everyone us genetically equal for skills. Of course some people are naturally much smarter. This is pure stupidity to believe everybody has the same shot at success. Some are genetically much more intelligent this is proven by facts. Genes do impact education attainment.

C.) It is really cruel or really dumb to think your fellow Americans don't deserve healthcare by business, or by government. Just to let people we can afford to let live die ftom treatable conditions.

 

[eagle1462010]

Meet the 7th Largest Economy in the world...........The United States Medical Industry..............by 2025 it will consume 25% of the GDP of the United States................We spend more per capita than any other nation on earth.........For most cases twice what any other nation pays per capita............Obamacare didn't fix it............it just tried to find a way to pay for it...........Premiums continue to rise...........and the costs continue to grow...........still the number one cause of bankruptcy in this country.

50 Depressing Facts About The Healthcare System That Will Make You Beg For Reform

33 million visits by the public at a total cost to hospitals of 1.9 Trillion.....
https://www.aha.org/system/files/2018-02/2018-aha-hospital-fast-facts.pdf

costs from the uninsured historical
https://www.aha.org/system/files/2018-01/2017-uncompensated-care-factsheet.pdf



Our gov't doesn't want to fix it........because they do the bidding of the lobbyists......their lawyers.........and whomever pays them to make sure the laws favor their profits............The Establishment of our country is corrupt to hell and back.......and they screw over the people from both sides of the isle..........

Just like the debt..............the border...........and the Giant rising cost of everything..............they do what lines their pockets............They go..........or nothing changes........

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, if the government, and businesses both shouldn't pay people well, or give them insurance, how are they supposed to get by, exactly?

This is what pisses me off about Republicans, they always kick down Americans like this, which is why it's in my signature.

It's totally true, Democrats care more about giving to foreigners so often, and Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less.

It's complete madness.

In 99 percent of the cases, people are paid their exact worth. If someone is worth more or gains more skills, they will be paid in accordance with their increased worth.

Please show us all where Republicans "always kick down Americans like this". How too are someones bad choices in life MY responsibility?

Saying that "Republicans just think everybody in America deserves less" is foolish, a sign of desperation. Grow up.

/——/ it’s a liberal Strawman argument

I am anything but a Liberal.

 

[eagle1462010]

Most Republicans are thoughtless savages & Democrats aren't much better.

Most citizens of either party have no real say in what gets done in Washington...........the Establishment types do the bidding of their lobbyist..........via Croney Capitalism..........Again.........we do not have real capitalism here........We have a system of laws and a gov't that allows the business to screw the citizens ...........

A.) You don't understand Capitalism.
Capitalism is a system which creates winners & losers.
It doesn't matter how many people have, 100 percent could have collrge degrees & the economy demands what it demands which is a mixed skill sets with mixes wages.

And competition drives prices down........Monopolies don't do that.........croney capitalism inspires monopolies.....and drowns the competition to dust.............All companies are in business to make money.............true competition makes the system HONEST.

B.) It is ridiculous to think everyone us genetically equal for skills. Of course some people are naturally much smarter. This is pure stupidity to believe everybody has tge same shot at success. Some are genetically much more intelligent this is proven by facts. Genes do impact education attainment.

People have different abilities.......and can use that to their advantage regardless of the system of government......Nothing new here.

C.) It is really cruel or really dumb to think your fellow Americans don't deserve healthcare ny business or by government. Just to let people we can afford to let live die ftom treatable conditions.

The system has been hijacked for lining their pockets...........and until they get thrown out of office and get the money out of politics........nothing will change.



NO FORM OF GOV'T CAN SURVIVE UNETHICAL LEADERS................the problem isn't a matter of the system....it is a problem of the people running the system............

 

[Cecilie1200]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

You did not include your source for these statistics. Therefore, it is very hard to get a more in-depth picture of what is involved in each of them, and to then address them one way or the other.

Read the OP again.

I stated IT IS CLAIMED THESE STATISTICS ARE TRUE.

If you have not heard them before, you might want to do more reading.

I'm TRYING to "do more reading", you snotty little ass napkin. That would be why I asked you who your source was. The FIRST time, I asked politely, as though you were a real person. NOW I'm asking you as though you are the dimwitted, ill-mannered little toerag that you have revealed yourself to be.

Let me state this on the IQ-of-10 level that you clearly need: IT IS CLAIMED BY WHOM, SHITFORBRAINS?

If you are quoting these alleged statistics from the person by whom "it is claimed", then you should have included that person's name.

If "it is claimed" by YOU, right now, just because you want to believe this stuff, or because you're "sure this is true, because I remember reading it somewhere, not sure where, but it sounds good", then you should strap on a pair and admit that.

"Do more reading" to refuse to PROVIDE A LINK TO WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO READ? So basically, the only question left is "Was your sack cut off in the same accident that caused the brain damage?"

 

[gipper]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

You did not include your source for these statistics. Therefore, it is very hard to get a more in-depth picture of what is involved in each of them, and to then address them one way or the other.

Read the OP again.

I stated IT IS CLAIMED THESE STATISTICS ARE TRUE.

If you have not heard them before, you might want to do more reading.

I'm TRYING to "do more reading", you snotty little ass napkin. That would be why I asked you who your source was. The FIRST time, I asked politely, as though you were a real person. NOW I'm asking you as though you are the dimwitted, ill-mannered little toerag that you have revealed yourself to be.

Let me state this on the IQ-of-10 level that you clearly need: IT IS CLAIMED BY WHOM, SHITFORBRAINS?

If you are quoting these alleged statistics from the person by whom "it is claimed", then you should have included that person's name.

If "it is claimed" by YOU, right now, just because you want to believe this stuff, or because you're "sure this is true, because I remember reading it somewhere, not sure where, but it sounds good", then you should strap on a pair and admit that.

"Do more reading" to refuse to PROVIDE A LINK TO WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO READ? So basically, the only question left is "Was your sack cut off in the same accident that caused the brain damage?"

LMFAO.

That is an awful lot of words, when you could have just posted a few words. Like **** you.

I have heard these stats many times from many different sources. Merely google them and you will get the sources you so madly desire. I don’t know if they are accurate.

So sorry.

 

[FA_Q2]

/----/ Sears was the Amazon of its day. They pushed out the local Mom & Pop variety store who could not compete with the Sears, selection, prices, and catalog. They were the evil, greedy demon of their day. Sears, like Woolworth, had the $$$ resources and power to stomp Amazon into the ground but they ignored it and when they realized what happened it was too late.

The large retail chains were much more like the newspapers. Having been dominant for so many decades, they never considered the internet a threat. The big retail chains were in an ideal position to dominate the internet. They already had the distribution centers. Had they looked at the internet as the Sears Catalog of tomorrow, no one would have heard of Amazon today.

I agree that Sears failed to read the signs of the times and went about business as usual as it had served them well for a century. But as the bulk of America started researching products on line, Sears didn't understand what was happening, or their management were such dinosaurs that they didn't know how to respond to it. So as Lowe's and Walmart and Office Depot and Staples and most of the other big boys created user friendly on line shopping and were doing profitable on line business in addition to in store business, Sears was laying off people and wondering where the customers were.

Old School serves magnificently in culture and values, but it can be deadly when it comes to marketing or preparing oneself to prosper in a rapidly changing world.

I always had trouble with their service. I had to call them and fight about getting my mother’s wash machine repaired. They just hung up the phone on me.


Sent from my iPad using USMessageBoard.com

/——-/ In 1970 I worked part time at Sears and a woman brought in a toaster that had to be 10 years old. She claimed it was practically new and was broken. They exchanged it no questions asked. By the 1980s their customer service went down hill.

My husband was a department manager at Sears when we got married. It was a good company then. He left after awhile for a job with better hours and more opportunity, and we kept buying at Sears until their deteriorating service and policies drove us away to more friendly places. It is a shame to see a national institution like that fold up, but they have nobody to blame but themselves.

My experience was less positive with them. The first, and last time, I bought something there they charged me for a warranty (an expensive one at that) and promptly lost any recollection that it existed.

 

[eagle1462010]

Stupidity is Hiring the same people that got us into the mess to fix it.......

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You wrote: "You cannot expect a person to invest 8 years of their life and borrowed money to become a doctor and make as much as much as a truck driver."

I wrote: "You stated that truck drivers make as much as Physicians. As a truck driver, please dedact personal information and post your paycheck stub to prove that."

Your turn, put-up or shut-up.

Now WTF in my statement does it say a driver makes as much as a doctor? Who taught you how to read?

Let me stoop down to your level so perhaps you'll understand: A doctor has to get paid much more than a truck driver for he or she to go through 8 years of college. Now do you understand?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

/----/ Sears was the Amazon of its day. They pushed out the local Mom & Pop variety store who could not compete with the Sears, selection, prices, and catalog. They were the evil, greedy demon of their day. Sears, like Woolworth, had the $$$ resources and power to stomp Amazon into the ground but they ignored it and when they realized what happened it was too late.

The large retail chains were much more like the newspapers. Having been dominant for so many decades, they never considered the internet a threat. The big retail chains were in an ideal position to dominate the internet. They already had the distribution centers. Had they looked at the internet as the Sears Catalog of tomorrow, no one would have heard of Amazon today.

I agree that Sears failed to read the signs of the times and went about business as usual as it had served them well for a century. But as the bulk of America started researching products on line, Sears didn't understand what was happening, or their management were such dinosaurs that they didn't know how to respond to it. So as Lowe's and Walmart and Office Depot and Staples and most of the other big boys created user friendly on line shopping and were doing profitable on line business in addition to in store business, Sears was laying off people and wondering where the customers were.

Old School serves magnificently in culture and values, but it can be deadly when it comes to marketing or preparing oneself to prosper in a rapidly changing world.

I always had trouble with their service. I had to call them and fight about getting my mother’s wash machine repaired. They just hung up the phone on me.


Sent from my iPad using USMessageBoard.com

We have had much the same experience. As their customer base shrank they were no longer putting the training into employees who often were clueless about the products they were selling and lacked the most basic of people skills. All that was the slow but steady death spiral of a once magnificent corporation that dinosaured itself to death.

My father was always a diehard Sears customer, and I don't mean the battery. Everything in our house growing up was Sears.

When my mothers washing machine broke, she called Sears and told the person on the phone it was the belt; it was laying behind the washer. They said they would be out in two weeks. The guy finally came out and said "It's the belt, so I have to get one, it will take two weeks!"

That's when I called and complained. I told them "Look, I'm a driver, and even I knew it was the belt. You mean to tell me that you have all the info on the washer, and the guy couldn't bring a belt with him??? And I don't buy it takes two weeks to get a belt, it's just you come to this area every two weeks." They slammed the phone down on me.

My father used to buy their protection plans for all our appliances. He finally told them to F-off. If it's going to take them a month to put a belt on a washer, maybe if they start getting paid in cash, they will be more organized next time so they get their money.