If this is true, we are in trouble...

[jc456]

he wasn't complaining.

Sure as hell sounded like it to me

I pay 600 a month for cell phones and cable and my parents never paid that much

/——/ TV was limited to three networks and was free, so was radio. Phones were expensive for the time.

And?

Still doesn't justify spending 600 a month on cell phones and cable

In fact we'd all be better of if people watched less of the ******* idiot box

i hate it when people tell others how to live. just saying.

I'm not telling anyone what to do just don't ******* whine about what you CHOOSE to do

I choose to spend X dollars on this thing and it's soooooo expensive

again, he wasn't complaining. if you can't be objective about that point, then perhaps you should let it go.

 

[jc456]

he wasn't complaining.

Sure as hell sounded like it to me

I pay 600 a month for cell phones and cable and my parents never paid that much

I believe he was educating us on costs! Just saying

I don't need to be educated on costs neither do you as we all know what things cost today

well maybe we weren't the target audience. Just saying, you have no idea without asking him.

Do you think anyone alive right now doesn't know what things cost?

I believe many people are as stupid as rocks.

 

[Redfish]

It wasn't really about greed, it was about survival.

Aren't you going to say >>>

what happened to that guy in the end? there is a difference between greed and success.

 

[jc456]

I think your real issue is envy and jealousy.

hardly.....

Patriotic Millionaires - Patriotic Millionaires

Auctioning the American Dream

15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

the facts are that corporate america was allowed to keep 14% of their money and they invested that money into their employees. I know for a fact that if government kept that 14% money, it would not have gone to one fking citizen. it's what the left is hung up on. They do not understand any fking thing.

 

[Redfish]

Sure as hell sounded like it to me

I pay 600 a month for cell phones and cable and my parents never paid that much

I believe he was educating us on costs! Just saying

I don't need to be educated on costs neither do you as we all know what things cost today

well maybe we weren't the target audience. Just saying, you have no idea without asking him.

Do you think anyone alive right now doesn't know what things cost?

I believe many people are as stupid as rocks.

Ocasio-Cortez comes to mind, but in her case the rock might be smarter.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

REally

THAT is your idea of third base?

I would have rather been born in the dugout if my dad had lived

Again, regardless of your parents, the fact that you were born white in this country gave you a huge advantage. And it was more so the case 40 years ago..

A huge advantage in what way?

All races get taxpayer funded school up to college.

All races get a fair shot at getting a job.

All races are capable of not having children until they can afford them.

All races are capable of making investments such as stock, real estate or commodities.

All races are capable of raising kids when they have them in two parent households.

So the questions is are the advantages whites have self-made or are they because of their race?

Joe is a failure despite being white

I don’t know about a failure. You can be anybody you want on the internet. But I do know he is a Surrender First self-hating white with a severe case of OCD that he refuses to address.


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[healthmyths]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

If they are true, where are the links? I don't believe YOU! Provide all the links.

 

[Darkwind]

So, compare the poor in the world to the poor in America.

Anyone can make comparissions to sh*tholistan DarkOne , they are a poor metric used by sorts that simply can't debate the fact we've been in a state of decline for a over a generation

The poor get richer in America because of America and our economic system.

and a few more welfare crumbs quantifies this?

ah, no, we're talking the middle class

Talkiing about this countries poor paints anyone a liberal

BTW...did you ever find out how the rich were rapping you? I mean, real and tangible ways in which they are taking assets from your pocket and food from your table?

You've been shown multiple times, by multiple posters

Simply choosing to ignore evidence is ,quite frankly , why the phenomenon continues

~S~

So, you only like to go to the rest of the world when you think that the comparison is favorable to your argument, and then dismiss it when the comparison destroys's your argument. Why is it I am not surprised. The entire purpose of using the comparison was to point out that the cuties little phrase is flat out wrong. This is called debating usin facts.

A few more crumbs from welfare?

Okay, this is really getting rediculous.

Let Me suggest this and you can go find the information or not.

Look up how many people are self-made millionaires or self-made wealthy in this country. NO other nation has a population that moves up -- and down -- the socioeconomic ladder. If this isn't a clue to the fact that the elites are not raping us as you suggest, then no amount of discussion will change your mind.

Some unsolicited advice.

Don't depend on others for your happiness. You'll live longer that way.

 

[gipper]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

What makes you not think it's true?

Also, what's your source for this old news?

Never stated it was true though I tend to think it is.

What makes you think it is old news? What’s your source?

 

[gipper]

These statistics are claimed to be true:
1. 50% of American wage earners earn less than $30k.
2. 63% of Americans can’t afford a $1,000 emergency.
3. 80% of American workers live pay check to pay check.
4. Since 1973 American productivity has increased by 77%, yet hourly pay has grown by 12%. If the minimum wage was tracked to productivity, it would be over $20 an hour today.
5. 41% of American workers earn less than $12 per hour, with most without employer provided HC.
6. Since 2008 the federal government and the Fed created $26 trillion out of nothing. Was any of this enormous sum spent on infrastructure, public education, universal HC, bail out 5.1 million people who lost their homes?

Not a pretty picture for the poor and middle class. Hopefully things are improving or we are headed for big trouble.

If they are true, where are the links? I don't believe YOU! Provide all the links.

I don’t believe YOU!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

I'm a Fascist, not a Communist, or a Capitalist.

What Communist in history has not been a Fascist?

A Fascist who clearly has not read "Il Fascisti"

"Why should the state need to own the means of production when the state owns the owners?" - Benito Mussolini.

Communism, and Capitalism BOTH belong in the trash heap for being two sides of the same coin, causing the EXACT same kind of society, one with a wealthy elite ruling over the masses, one where competition is hindered, one by Government being business, the other from Monopolies, both stamp out competition, leading to junky products, lack of innovation, stagnant wages, and high prices as a result of the lack of competition.

No you are economically illiterate like most of the Southern, and Rural Brutish British savages in this country.

If Competition creates innovation, wage increases, and better products, then Communism, and Capitalist Monopolies BOTH get rid of competition in the market place, leading to inferiority of the system.

That's why Capitalism needs to be regulated, plain, and simple.

Under a capitalist economy, only a natural monopoly is possible. A monopoly requires the government to enforce said monopoly, or cannot exist. The exception being a natural monopoly such as owning the only well in town. Natural monopolies are rare and short lived.

Further, Fascism is not "regulated capitalism" as you ignorantly claim (that is termed a mixed economy) but rather the control of the means of production by the state, i.e. socialism.

Fascists regulate business through Councils, they don't completely replace business through Communist businesses if we can call them that.

There's a big difference there, I'm so sorry you're not smart enough to pick up on it.

Monopolies have become more, and more prevalent, with striking results mirroring Communism.

Products have in many ways become junk in comparison to say 30 + years ago, real wages have flatlined in the past 45 years.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

CEO's no longer hold any kind of value for America, they cause only harm for this country.

I'd tell you to get out if you don't agree with America FIRST.

But, Poland doesn't want you, either.

Poland's actually is not so stupid as America's hicks.

Yours is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. rderp/truthmatters stupid.

As for Poland.. Phishing fraud and ransom ware remain the primary exports for Eastern Europe, don't they?

I'll bet the virus writing house you work for has a chief executive of some sort. Who collects the bit coin after you scam some old lady out of her retirement savings? Would that person not be your CEO?

I've read many of your posts, and I see absolutely no value in anything you are, I've seen you complain about racism, about the only good thing about Republicans, and then you support CEO's who gouge us by laying people off, jacking up prices as "Monopolies" or shipping jobs to China, Vietnam, or Mexico, or giving American jobs to illegals from Mexico, Guatemala, and El Salvador.

You sound like the result of severe brainwashing, and a severe lack of ability to think.

Poland's got a pretty good economy now-a-days.

You know absolutely nothing.

Poland's cost of living now-a-days is much cheaper than the USA, so there's hardly any benefits of coming to the USA, much for Poles, anymore.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Venezuela started off a lot poorer.

{During the 1970s, Venezuela was the richest country in Latin America. With the region’s highest growth rates and the lowest levels of inequality, it was also one of the most stable democracies in the Americas. But starting in the early 1980s, things fell apart. The nation endured three coup attempts and one presidential impeachment. Per capita growth plunged, and mass protests became the norm. What happened?}

Venezuela Before Chávez: Anatomy of an Economic Collapse by Ricardo Hausmann and Francisco R. Rodríguez

The depth of your ignorance is astounding.

Why don't you compare Venezuela to the rest of Latin America?????????

Venezuela is actually rich by Latino standards, as is Cuba.

So, how do you figure that even works as a "Great dig on Communism"????????

Not that I'm a Communist, I'm a Fascist, I also hate Commies.

Complete bullshit. Whether due to dishonest or just extreme ignorance I cannot say.

Venezuela is the poorest nation in South America by a wide margin.

{
For years, the world watched corrupt socialists turn Latin America’s richest nation, Venezuela, into one of its poorest. Now, as the country’s economy nears total collapse, it’s time to ask what can be done to contain the fallout and help its residents.

Start with its refugees: In a nation whose 2016 population was 31 million, 1.8 million have fled the country over the past two years. This year, it’s 5,000 a day — with the United Nations projecting another 2 million gone by year’s end.

Venezuela’s neighbors bear the brunt of this refugee flood. But more than 28,000 Venezuelans sought asylum in the United States last year, the US Citizenship and Immigration Services notes. That’s up 88 percent from 2016, and 1,300 percent since 2014. There are now three times as many asylum-seekers here from Venezuela as from any other nation.}

https://nypost.com/2018/08/25/borders-wont-be-able-to-contain-venezuelas-disaster/

Most Communists like you try to blame a collapse in oil prices for the disaster of Communism in Venezuela, but that like all things socialist is just a ******* lie.

Oil INCREASED during the reign of Chavez.

Nope, you are economically illiterate, like most Americans.

Capitalism is stagnant in wages for decade after decade, JUST LIKE the COMMUNISTS.

You tell me why that is?

Because Capitalism is ALSO a GREAT FAILURE.

Son, spewing mindless Marxist platitudes will not make you appear to have a grasp of economics to your superiors here.

What is your favorite economic text, and why? Or better, what is the most important concept you have gleaned from the "General Theory."

{LOL, which you can't even name the author of without searching Google.}

Your last statement proves once AGAIN you are economically illiterate, Socialism is regulation of the economy NOT really Social Programs, a typical Conservative IDIOCY As ALWAYS.

Of course I want the economy regulated, against outsourcing, against illegals, against monopolies which drive down competition allowing for lay offs, and jacked up prices.

Socialism is the control of the means of production by the state.

You are a shitty Fascist if you fail to remember that Mussolini, you know, the guy who WROTE THE ******* BOOK adamantly advocates complete control of what you will ignorantly call "corporations".

You've bit off far more than you can chew.

A.) I'm also anti-Communism.

B.) Venezuela in late 2013 according to Gallup was #3 in median household income in Latin America, just behind Argentina, and Mexico.

Worldwide, Median Household Income About $10,000

So, Chavez didn't do much worse than Mexico had.
Maduro is becoming a disaster, because he's even a lot more stupid, and Communist than Chavez was.
Even so, Venezuela's not poor by Latino standards.
Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, countries that have been pretty Capitalist are actually in worse shape than Venezuela.

C.) I'm a Fascist, I don't want to get rid of private enterprise.
Plain, and simple, we need greater regulation.
Media, Google, and Hollywood should be regulated to promote less biased opinions.
Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, all should be regulated to promote more fair censorship.

The rest of the businesses should be regulated from hiring Illegals, or outsourcing Jobs at our expense.

This crap has got to stop, point blank.

Doing NOTHING as Crapitalist Republicans insist, just isn't going to cut it.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The U.S.A is JUST LIKE Orwell's 1984 when it comes to "Politics"

In Orwell's 1984, they say 2 + 2 = 5.
They drilled it into their heads enough, and that became the truth.

That is the reality of America on politics.

You are told that Capitalism built America, or we were always a Capitalist nation, that's not true.
The U.S.A was hardly Capitalist between 1886 - 1945, and NOT Capitalist before 1886, and VERY Capitalist just after WW2.

You are told that Democrats are Liberal Leftists, and Republicans are Right-Wingers.
Not true either.

The terms Left-Right come from the French Revolution.

The Leftists were Capitalists for more Liberalism, and rights, and the Right-Wingers were the Monarchist Authoritarian Right for the traditional Authoritarian controls over society.

Furthermore, Right-Wingers supporting Capitalism, and Freedom, while complaining about "Social Liberalism" makes no sense.

Truth is, the real Right-Wing IS AUTHORITARIAN, they micro-manage social Conservative values.

Then there's a ton of Republicans who think high Taxes = Socialism to pay for programs.

North Korea is Socialism in it's pure form, and they actually have low taxes, in fact nearly no taxes.

Stalin's USSR.

Stalin was actually to the Right of modern Republicans.

Stalin criminalized Gays, outlawed Abortion, and kicked minorities out of Russian, Ukrainian, and Polish living space.

Everything the Republicans can't do, and many wish they could do, but NEVER will achieve with Capitalists, and Jews gouging the system, and profiting off of "Gays" profiting off of "Abortion" and profiting off of "Minorities"

It's all about profits, either you're a Nationalist Conservative first, or a Capitalist first, you can't be both.

Right and left have different meanings to Euroweenies.

I am American. Right wing here roughly means fiscal and social conservatism mixed with classic liberalism.

The left are Marxist/Fascist/Stalinists.

And most of what you claim of Stalin was in fact Hitler. Stalin was a more prolific mass murderer than Hitler, but the purge of the Gypsies was all Adolf. Stalin engaged in genocide in the Ukraine. Kulaks were a socail class, not an ethnicity.

The term Left Wing & Right Wing come from Europe (France during the French Revolution to be exact)

The first Left Wingers were Capitalists for freedom, and rights
as opposed to the first Right Wingers were Monarchists for authoritarian controls.

So, actually I'm more of a Right-Winger than you, by classical definitions.

So, I don't really know how the f*ck Americans flipped the definitions around, but yeah you ARE that dumb as a society, especially when it comes to politics.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

This is according to the data, Real Wages which adjust for cost of living tell the whole story, since 1970 incomes haven't kept up with prices.

Therefor doing more of the same, will fix, what????????????????

If it's broken you don't keep breaking it down, you therefor fix it.

Of course Americans keep coming up with more of the same as a solution.

If you're part of the problem, you are the problem.

It can't be seen in any simpler terms than that.

Wages are irrelevant.

No one works for wages.

People work for goods. How much time did it take in 1980 to earn enough for a loaf of bread? How much time was needed to buy a home stereo? How much time to earn a New York Steak. How much time for a brand new car with air conditioning, AM/FM stereo, automatic transmission. How much time to buy a watch, a flashlight, a camera, a television set, etc.

People in America are VASTLY richer at all levels of the economy than we were 36 years ago. My children have VASTLY more than I did at their age. The ONLY exception is housing cost.

You have completely off-kilter views.

The data shows people have money which doesn't go as far, as it used to.

So, you're limited perspective of the World is the one which is right, instead of the data, sure?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Millennials earn 20% less than Babyboomers did at the same age, Millennials have a net-worth 50% less than Babyboomers did at the same age.
(Of course adjusting for inflation AKA Real Wages)

This is startling, and shows the system that we have isn't working.

Bullshit - a complete lie.

I don't know if you've ever been to America. But ask an American over 50 what the first car they had was, and how much it took to get it.

Hint: It was not a brand new Honda with air and a 10 speaker sound system.

This is according to the data, Real Wages which adjust for cost of living tell the whole story, since 1970 incomes haven't kept up with prices.

Therefor doing more of the same, will fix, what????????????????

If it's broken you don't keep breaking it down, you therefor fix it.

Of course Americans keep coming up with more of the same as a solution.

If you're part of the problem, you are the problem.

It can't be seen in any simpler terms than that.

Nobody is beholden to their employers. You or I or anybody can open up our own business anytime we want. We can purchase lawn equipment and do lawns. We can learn a trade like HVAC or plumbing and work for ourselves. You can buy or lease a truck and open up your own delivery service. Then you can make whatever it is you desire.

A story I read years ago, a guy got laid off from his job during the Reagan recession. One day after taking out his dog, he did the chore he hated the most which was picking up after him. Then a light bulb lit over his head. He had a van, he had a shovel, so he started his own dog dodo business.

He sent out flyers in his neighborhood and started to get many calls. He went to other nearby areas and got more customers. He eventually bought another van and hired a worker to handle the overflow. Just like a lawn care business he came out periodically on schedule to clean up backyards for a monthly fee.

I don't know where this idea came from that employers, businesses or corporations owe us a living. You don't have to work for anybody if YOU take the financial risk and work for yourself. Then you can say F your employer. You don't need him or any employer anymore.

You're assuming I give a rats @ss about "Freedom" I really don't.

I care about results (Well being) of my society.

People shouldn't have the freedom to ruin the well being of society.

That's why we're against drug dealers, we're against people who pee in alley-ways, we're against people who steal, people who touch themselves in movie theaters like Pee Wee, and also this really needs to be expanded to Illegal Immigrants, and Outsourced jobs, which also cause problems for "American society"

Besides, the American workers built these companies for years.

Now they're giving their own people the royal flush?

It's complete disrespect, and unpatriotic.

If they don't respect our country, they should suffer the consequences, plain, and simple.

The Capitalist Republican solution is to have Americans compete with China's wages.

Apparently we deserve less as a society.

No, but we can't have unions forcing companies to grossly overpay their workers while Chinese make what they do. You can't compete that way, and outside of government, unions are now a thing of the past.

No you don't compete with China in the first place, you even the score, by throwing CEO's behind bars who outsource as a criminalized behavior, you make an example, and they'll behave. If they try to move their companies out of the country, you Nationalize them.

Leadership by example, to put them into line by fear.

I certainly don't want Chinese to make the same income as us, but it's happening, meaning China will become the top power house.
That's a problem for us.

I certainly don't want Americans to make the same income as us, but it's happening, meaning American workers will lose income.
That's again, another problem for us.

In a free country we don't allow government to run our businesses. If you think that's a great idea, maybe Cuba is more suited for your liking.

Over here, businesses compete by producing and selling at the cheapest cost. It's been that way for decades now. CEO's are not in charge of that, the American consumer is. And until we can adjust our way of thinking when it comes to purchases, it will stay that way.

You can't blame a CEO because a CEO is answering the demands of his or her customers. HTF can you make that a crime or illegal?

Actually, the USA long had strong business regulation through state regulations.

The Rise of Corporations — Global Issues

RACHEL #488: FIXING CORPORATIONS--PART 1: LEGACY OF THE FOUNDING PARENTS

To say that the USA customer is responsible for outsourcing beyond the CEO, is flat out ridiculous.

The CEO's started the outsourcing, and eventually it has got to the point where everybody has to outsource to compete, we don't even have much of a choice anymore.

Because of falling real wages, we are getting also to the point where we also are forced to buy cheaper, and those real wages are falling because of outsourced jobs in large part.

What's best for the people is what's best for the people.

That's not necessarily freedom, if our society is falling apart because of free will, then freedom therefor has very little, in fact perhaps a negative value.

corporations outsourced in order to avoid oppressive US regulations and taxes. Many of those have been removed by Trump and corporations are now moving back to this country and expanding in this country. It wasn't really about greed, it was about survival. Obama was determined to bring this country to its knees and he almost succeeded.

Everything I wrote above, about NOT caring about freedom.

Plus Trump's really not bringing back jobs from overseas like you think.

Under Trump, US jobs are moving overseas even faster than before

The Companies Offshoring Jobs at a Record Pace Under Trump

I cant' believe some Americans are so dumb.

 

[OnePercenter]

It's not the system, it's the politicians. They voted themselves the keys to the country between Carter and Reagan. Notice the decline began around then, as did the price hike for medical care.

This comment inspired me to tell a personal story.

Back in the early 80's I was a repairman for home medical equipment. At the time, UPS was on strike, and we were erecting a pharmacy for our home patients. We hired a pharmacist to oversee the construction because she was well versed on government requirements.

After our weekly Monday morning meeting, we do as we always did which was gather around the coffee pot in the warehouse. Somebody brought up the UPS strike, and our newest employee, the pharmacist, walked away abruptly without saying a word. We kind of looked at each other like "WTF did we say?"

As usual, I was the last person to leave the coffee area. She came back with her pharmacist magazine in her hand. She shoved it at me and demand I read the section she highlighted about the UPS strike.

What the article said is that the tenured UPS drivers made between 50 and 55K a year. A pharmacist made about 60 to 65. In anger she said "Do you know what I had to go through to become a pharmacist? Do you know what my parents had to go through? How in hell can these people be on strike earning that kind of money? If I had known this, I would be delivering packages here instead of doing all this shit! I'm the one that should be on strike--not them!"

Her point was well taken. How could we drag people into the medical field (at the time) when it paid better to work for the UAW, UPS, the steel mills, just a number of jobs that unions dominated at the time? There was only one way, and that was to increase wages for medical personnel. That's why a pharmacist today makes about 120K a year.

You seem (as usual) to be misinformed.

A tenured UPS driver TODAY makes $60K+/-. A Doctorate degreed Pharmacist TODAY makes $120k.

I know. You know everything and I imagined the entire situation.

I'm correcting your lies.

 

[OnePercenter]

So, you have nothing but cliche's and memes and a little bit of envy. Not much of an argument

I can debate the daylights out of the issue DarkOne

And the USMB has posters who are far beyond my sophmoric take on it all

Myself, i cling to what my folks told me over a 1/2 century ago

The 'rich get richer, get poor get poorer in America'

the specifics, well they are all about who can digest the details and have the horsepower to keep up, believe me i do struggle at times

Unfortunately , few can follow, do the math, or rise above their petty partisan views

~S~

/——/ The poor in South America risk their lives to have the higher standard of living that the poor in America has.

We shouldn't have poor.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You're assuming I give a rats @ss about "Freedom" I really don't.

I care about results (Well being) of my society.

People shouldn't have the freedom to ruin the well being of society.

So who is ruining society and how? Freedom gives you the ability to work for somebody or not. It's not like Cuba where everybody basically works for the government.

That's why we're against drug dealers, we're against people who pee in alley-ways, we're against people who steal, people who touch themselves in movie theaters like Pee Wee, and also this really needs to be expanded to Illegal Immigrants, and Outsourced jobs, which also cause problems for "American society"

No, they cause problems for you but not for society. Society gets cheaper products which is what our society wants. If society didn't want that, they would quit purchasing those products. If society didn't like what a CEO made last year, they won't deal with his or her company.

You don't speak for society and neither do I. Society speaks for itself.

Besides, the American workers built these companies for years.

Now they're giving their own people the royal flush?

It's complete disrespect, and unpatriotic.

If they don't respect our country, they should suffer the consequences, plain, and simple.

Workers didn't build anything. Workers simply work. Companies and corporations do the building.

Nobody is getting the royal flush because nobody is forced to work for anybody. Employment is an agreement between employer and employee. Both agree to X before that union is formed.

 

[Cellblock2429]

So, you have nothing but cliche's and memes and a little bit of envy. Not much of an argument

I can debate the daylights out of the issue DarkOne

And the USMB has posters who are far beyond my sophmoric take on it all

Myself, i cling to what my folks told me over a 1/2 century ago

The 'rich get richer, get poor get poorer in America'

the specifics, well they are all about who can digest the details and have the horsepower to keep up, believe me i do struggle at times

Unfortunately , few can follow, do the math, or rise above their petty partisan views

~S~

/——/ The poor in South America risk their lives to have the higher standard of living that the poor in America has.

We shouldn't have poor.

/——-/ We shouldn’t have poison ivy. Got any other platitudes?