If The Wall Saves One Life It Will Be Worth It

[BuckToothMoron]

Here is the "WALL" between Iraq and SA...it looks oddly like a fence . You people are such rubes

And the "wall" between Serbia and Hungary

Crazy how all these walls look like fences

So are you suggesting (now) that you’re not opposed to a physical border barrier like a 10 foot fence with razor wire, you are only opposed to a wall? Just trying to follow the Libs narrative.

Extra cost which just creates blind spots.
Instead, address the root cause of why they're coming here.

They’re coming here because their country sucks, they have no future, we let them in, and their kids will be safe, Fed and educated. Ok, now address those root causes. Go.

Their country sucks and they won't do anything about it.
That's why their country sucks.
Open borders attracts the worst element sometimes.
People come here to rip America off.
If you make it harder to get in then you know they really want to be here.

As long as we have people here willing to pay them to work for them, nothing will stop them from coming. Until we actually go after those willing to pay illegals we will never stem the flow

Ok. Thank you for coming back to a reasonable and coherent discussion. I agree with you. Companies/employers in this country do incentivize illegal immigration. It’s a complicated issue.

On the one hand, we need these people here to provide the labor for our economy. On the other hand, a large portion of these illegals don’t work and join gangs or otherwise are nonproductive and a drain on our system. The closest figure I could find, of the estimated 12 million illegals, 8 are employed, 4 million are not.

I would like to see a simple system whereby people can immigrant here and work. Our federal government is so divided that productive discourse to that end seems impossible, and both sides are to blame (for those of you who will point the finger at the other party).

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Ok. Thank you for coming back to a reasonable and coherent discussion. I agree with you. Companies/employers in this country do incentivize illegal immigration. It’s a complicated issue.

On the one hand, we need these people here to provide the labor for our economy. On the other hand, a large portion of these illegals don’t work and join gangs or otherwise are nonproductive and a drain on our system. The closest figure I could find, of the estimated 12 million illegals, 8 are employed, 4 million are not.

I would like to see a simple system whereby people can immigrant here and work. Our federal government is so divided that productive discourse to that end seems impossible, and both sides are to blame (for those of you who will point the finger at the other party).

Yes! We need a real, working guest worker program. We need transient and seasonal workers. Workers that are willing to move from state to state as seasons change.

If they were allowed to come over legally they would get paid a bit more and they would not be sneaking across the border. This way the BP could focus on the bad ones not coming for a job.

 

[mudwhistle]

So are you suggesting (now) that you’re not opposed to a physical border barrier like a 10 foot fence with razor wire, you are only opposed to a wall? Just trying to follow the Libs narrative.

Extra cost which just creates blind spots.
Instead, address the root cause of why they're coming here.

They’re coming here because their country sucks, they have no future, we let them in, and their kids will be safe, Fed and educated. Ok, now address those root causes. Go.

Their country sucks and they won't do anything about it.
That's why their country sucks.
Open borders attracts the worst element sometimes.
People come here to rip America off.
If you make it harder to get in then you know they really want to be here.

As long as we have people here willing to pay them to work for them, nothing will stop them from coming. Until we actually go after those willing to pay illegals we will never stem the flow

Ok. Thank you for coming back to a reasonable and coherent discussion. I agree with you. Companies/employers in this country do incentivize illegal immigration. It’s a complicated issue.

On the one hand, we need these people here to provide the labor for our economy. On the other hand, a large portion of these illegals don’t work and join gangs or otherwise are nonproductive and a drain on our system. The closest figure I could find, of the estimated 12 million illegals, 8 are employed, 4 million are not.

I would like to see a simple system whereby people can immigrant here and work. Our federal government is so divided that productive discourse to that end seems impossible, and both sides are to blame (for those of you who will point the finger at the other party).

I think it gets to a point that if you bring in too many people they become more of a drain on the economy than a positive.
The people that used to sneak in were hard workers.
If they're paying them to come here and then demanding welfare, they are too much of a negative for this country.
Nevermind the fact that they drive down wages in California and every other state they settle in.
I'd still be living in California if it weren't for the fact that illegals and refugees were taking all of the jobs.
I couldn't find anything that paid more than $4/hr back in the 80s.
Low skilled laborers end up getting screwed the most by illegals.

 

[mudwhistle]

This is why we need a wall:

January 7, 2019
Mounting Indications that a Civil War 2.0 May Be Very Close at Hand
By Peter Barry Chowka
For months now, I have been writing and speaking about the looming prospects for a Civil War 2.0 breaking out in the United States. The analysis probably seemed to many to be speculative and premature, pointing to something that might someday come to pass, while in the meantime there was still hope that such a time would never actually arrive.

The new year, however, has made that hope harder to cling to as signs of violence are now breaking out into the open and can no longer be swept under the rug.

Another indication that the war has already started took place in the early morning hours of December 26 when officer Ronil Singh of the small town of Newman, California’s police department allegedly was shot dead by criminal illegal alien Gustavo Perez Arriaga. While on routine patrol, Singh had pulled over Arriaga’s vehicle because it had no rear license plate at which point Singh was executed, leaving a wife and five month-old son.

Alleged cop killer Gustavo Arriaga and the late police officer Ron Singh

Sources: Stanislaus County, Calif. Sheriff's Department and Newman, Calif. Police Department

This is not the first time that a criminal illegal alien has murdered an innocent victim (all illegal aliens are de facto criminals because they broke laws by entering the country, but in this case the alleged perpetrator was also a gang member and had two DUIs on his rap sheet). In fact, such killings, in addition to assaults, rapes, robberies, home invasions, and other violent crimes, are committed by illegal aliens multiple times on a daily basis all over the country. Another outrageous, high profile case that comes to mind is the July 1, 2015 fatal shooting of Kathryn (Kate) Steinle in San Francisco by illegal immigrant José Inez García Zárate, who admitted to shooting Steinle. On November 30, 2017, after five days of deliberations, the jury in Zarate’s criminal trial acquitted him of all murder and manslaughter charges.

Three and a half years after the Steinle murder, the assassination of Office Singh, himself a legal immigrant from Fiji and a respected California cop for over seven years, stands out as a new and stark low point that illustrates one of the endemic problems in this country. To wit, the invasion of the United States by millions of un-educated, low IQ migrants from violent Third World countries, which has been ongoing for decades (to the extent that it is not even known how many of them are here). The invasion has now reached critical mass, threatening the lives and safety of Americans everywhere around the country. Meanwhile, the Democrats are downplaying the importance of the killing of officer Singh and insisting that it has no bearing on their ongoing opposition to Republican efforts to strengthen border security.

If the nation had a chance of coming together politically to secure the border, enforce existing laws, and deport the tens of millions of illegal aliens who are already here, that would be one thing and a new “civil war” might not be inevitable. But that day and those possibilities are long gone. What remains and what has become the new normal is the violence (and the downplaying of it by Democrats and about half of the population), that is now targeting native-born Americans like Steinle or legal immigrants and American citizens sworn to protect and serve like Singh.

As Deroy Murdock wrote about the Singh murder in an article titled “A Tale of Two Immigrants” in National Review on January 5:

Arriaga, 33 [the alleged killer of Officer Singh], is not a model immigrant. He came to America from Mexico — illegally, crossing the border via Arizona. Yet the notion that the United States suffers a border-security crisis seems lost on Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York and House speaker Nancy Pelosi of California. They reportedly refused even to listen to Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen’s classified border-security briefing in the White House Situation Room on Wednesday. Instead, they repeatedly interrupted Nielsen as she tried to detail national-security threats on the southern front.

The Democrats, who support the concept of Sanctuary Cities and now Sanctuary States, and who embrace policies that coddle, protect, and support illegals while they hamstring law enforcement and cripple border security, are clearly complicit in the mayhem being caused by the “migrants.”

Meanwhile, there are other indications that Civil War 2.0 is going hot. Calls from Democrats and the left encouraging violence and lawlessness have been increasing, especially since the election of Donald J. Trump as the 45th president in November 2016. One of the more prominent examples among many was a rabble rousing speech to a mob of her supporters by Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) last June in Los Angeles. On that occasion, Waters implored her audience to be on the lookout for prominent officials in the Trump administration so that:

If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.​

Waters’s incendiary and provocative rant that appeared to border on inciting violence was followed on numerous occasions by Democrats and other hardcore leftists “pushing back” on Trump administration officials, getting in their faces and implicitly threatening them when they were out in public eating dinner or relaxing.

The growing far left base of the Democratic Party, which helped to fuel the Democrats’ takeover of the House of Representatives in the 2018 Midterm Elections, bodes ill for putting the genies of violence and toxic political division back in the bottle. After she was sworn in as a first term member of the new Congress on January 3, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), the first Palestinian-American Congresswoman, referring to President Trump, told a crowd of cheering supporters “. . . we’re going to go in there and we’re going to impeach the motherf–ker.”

Two days later, on January 5, 2019, another up and coming new star of the 116th Congress, freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), an avowed socialist, entered into a Twitter war of words with Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA), who was almost killed in an assassination attempt by a hardcore leftist in June 2017. Their debate concerned Ocasio-Cortez’s proposal to double the tax rate on the so-called 1% to 70%.

According to Fox News:

U.S. Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., abruptly halted a Twitter debate with newcomer Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York early Sunday morning [January 6] after at least three commenters made references to the June 2017 shooting in which Scalise and three other people were shot by a left-wing activist.

“snipe his ass,” one Twitter user wrote, in support of Ocasio-Cortez. . .

“she’s got better aim than James Hodgkinson, that’s for sure,” another wrote, comparing Ocasio-Cortez’s Twitter responses to the marksmanship of the suspect in the Virginia shooting, a Bernie Sanders supporter who later died in a shootout with police.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...a_civil_war_20_may_be_very_close_at_hand.html​

Proof repubican idiots should not be in charge of a budget.

You must have a blurting problem.
You just yell out the most stupid thing you can think of.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Bad syntax! Bad bad syntax. It’s not the small government conservatives that added the debt, it is the Republicans. Big difference!

There are no small government conservatives in the government and anyone that votes for the Repubs are not small government conservatives.

True small government conservatives would vote libertarian.

Clearly you are not a small (Federal) government conservative. As I am one, I will tell you why I vote Republican. The Republicans at least pretend to be for small government, and you can either vote for a Republican, Democrat or a third party (libertarian). If you vote for libertarian you are guaranteed the person you voted for will not win.

So, because you vote for the people who are just pretending, and you know they are just pretending, you think that makes you a small (Federal) government conservative.

That is one of the dumbest things I have read on here in a while, and that is saying a lot.

No. What makes me a small government conservative is that i believe the federal government should be much smaller.

Unlike you, I stopped identifying with a political party years ago because neither of the two dominant parties reflect nor represent who I am. Also unlike you, I realize there is no conceivable reason to belong to a political party (unless you want to be actively involved in politics, I don’t).

You no longer "belong to party" you just vote for the same party all the time.

Yep, and Until you drop your party affiliation you will not understand how much smarter you will be with out having to defend the charlatans in “your” party.

I see it here everyday. Posters attack the other party and defend their own, but pay little attention to their own values and core principles. Trump doesn’t represent my values and principles. He’s a bully, and a cheat. I personally don’t like him. Why would I ever want to be on his team by wearing the Republican red jersey? Further, there is absolutely no benefit to me in joining a party. Absolutely none.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Yep, and Until you drop your party affiliation you will not understand how much smarter you will be with out having to defend the charlatans in “your” party.

I see it here everyday. Posters attack the other party and defend their own, but pay little attention to their own values and core principles. Trump doesn’t represent my values and principles. He’s a bully, and a cheat. I personally don’t like him. Why would I ever want to be on his team by wearing the Republican red jersey? Further, there is absolutely no benefit to me in joining a party. Absolutely none.

My party affiliation is the Libertarian party...though even with them I do not agree on more than 50% or so. I do not recall doing much defending of the LP folks, though I do still think that Johnson despite all his flaws as far and away the best choice.

You may not be an active member of the GOP, but you vote for them exclusively, so really what is the difference?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Ok. Thank you for coming back to a reasonable and coherent discussion. I agree with you. Companies/employers in this country do incentivize illegal immigration. It’s a complicated issue.

On the one hand, we need these people here to provide the labor for our economy. On the other hand, a large portion of these illegals don’t work and join gangs or otherwise are nonproductive and a drain on our system. The closest figure I could find, of the estimated 12 million illegals, 8 are employed, 4 million are not.

I would like to see a simple system whereby people can immigrant here and work. Our federal government is so divided that productive discourse to that end seems impossible, and both sides are to blame (for those of you who will point the finger at the other party).

Yes! We need a real, working guest worker program. We need transient and seasonal workers. Workers that are willing to move from state to state as seasons change.

If they were allowed to come over legally they would get paid a bit more and they would not be sneaking across the border. This way the BP could focus on the bad ones not coming for a job.

We have one, but it’s clumsy and cumbersome. That is what you get from politicians- clumsy and cumbersome. If it were left to businessmen, people with a profit incentive and shareholders to answer to, the system would be much more streamlined and productive.

 

[evenflow1969]

This is why we need a wall:

January 7, 2019
Mounting Indications that a Civil War 2.0 May Be Very Close at Hand
By Peter Barry Chowka
For months now, I have been writing and speaking about the looming prospects for a Civil War 2.0 breaking out in the United States. The analysis probably seemed to many to be speculative and premature, pointing to something that might someday come to pass, while in the meantime there was still hope that such a time would never actually arrive.

The new year, however, has made that hope harder to cling to as signs of violence are now breaking out into the open and can no longer be swept under the rug.

Another indication that the war has already started took place in the early morning hours of December 26 when officer Ronil Singh of the small town of Newman, California’s police department allegedly was shot dead by criminal illegal alien Gustavo Perez Arriaga. While on routine patrol, Singh had pulled over Arriaga’s vehicle because it had no rear license plate at which point Singh was executed, leaving a wife and five month-old son.

Alleged cop killer Gustavo Arriaga and the late police officer Ron Singh

Sources: Stanislaus County, Calif. Sheriff's Department and Newman, Calif. Police Department

This is not the first time that a criminal illegal alien has murdered an innocent victim (all illegal aliens are de facto criminals because they broke laws by entering the country, but in this case the alleged perpetrator was also a gang member and had two DUIs on his rap sheet). In fact, such killings, in addition to assaults, rapes, robberies, home invasions, and other violent crimes, are committed by illegal aliens multiple times on a daily basis all over the country. Another outrageous, high profile case that comes to mind is the July 1, 2015 fatal shooting of Kathryn (Kate) Steinle in San Francisco by illegal immigrant José Inez García Zárate, who admitted to shooting Steinle. On November 30, 2017, after five days of deliberations, the jury in Zarate’s criminal trial acquitted him of all murder and manslaughter charges.

Three and a half years after the Steinle murder, the assassination of Office Singh, himself a legal immigrant from Fiji and a respected California cop for over seven years, stands out as a new and stark low point that illustrates one of the endemic problems in this country. To wit, the invasion of the United States by millions of un-educated, low IQ migrants from violent Third World countries, which has been ongoing for decades (to the extent that it is not even known how many of them are here). The invasion has now reached critical mass, threatening the lives and safety of Americans everywhere around the country. Meanwhile, the Democrats are downplaying the importance of the killing of officer Singh and insisting that it has no bearing on their ongoing opposition to Republican efforts to strengthen border security.

If the nation had a chance of coming together politically to secure the border, enforce existing laws, and deport the tens of millions of illegal aliens who are already here, that would be one thing and a new “civil war” might not be inevitable. But that day and those possibilities are long gone. What remains and what has become the new normal is the violence (and the downplaying of it by Democrats and about half of the population), that is now targeting native-born Americans like Steinle or legal immigrants and American citizens sworn to protect and serve like Singh.

As Deroy Murdock wrote about the Singh murder in an article titled “A Tale of Two Immigrants” in National Review on January 5:

Arriaga, 33 [the alleged killer of Officer Singh], is not a model immigrant. He came to America from Mexico — illegally, crossing the border via Arizona. Yet the notion that the United States suffers a border-security crisis seems lost on Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York and House speaker Nancy Pelosi of California. They reportedly refused even to listen to Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen’s classified border-security briefing in the White House Situation Room on Wednesday. Instead, they repeatedly interrupted Nielsen as she tried to detail national-security threats on the southern front.

The Democrats, who support the concept of Sanctuary Cities and now Sanctuary States, and who embrace policies that coddle, protect, and support illegals while they hamstring law enforcement and cripple border security, are clearly complicit in the mayhem being caused by the “migrants.”

Meanwhile, there are other indications that Civil War 2.0 is going hot. Calls from Democrats and the left encouraging violence and lawlessness have been increasing, especially since the election of Donald J. Trump as the 45th president in November 2016. One of the more prominent examples among many was a rabble rousing speech to a mob of her supporters by Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) last June in Los Angeles. On that occasion, Waters implored her audience to be on the lookout for prominent officials in the Trump administration so that:

If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.​

Waters’s incendiary and provocative rant that appeared to border on inciting violence was followed on numerous occasions by Democrats and other hardcore leftists “pushing back” on Trump administration officials, getting in their faces and implicitly threatening them when they were out in public eating dinner or relaxing.

The growing far left base of the Democratic Party, which helped to fuel the Democrats’ takeover of the House of Representatives in the 2018 Midterm Elections, bodes ill for putting the genies of violence and toxic political division back in the bottle. After she was sworn in as a first term member of the new Congress on January 3, Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), the first Palestinian-American Congresswoman, referring to President Trump, told a crowd of cheering supporters “. . . we’re going to go in there and we’re going to impeach the motherf–ker.”

Two days later, on January 5, 2019, another up and coming new star of the 116th Congress, freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), an avowed socialist, entered into a Twitter war of words with Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA), who was almost killed in an assassination attempt by a hardcore leftist in June 2017. Their debate concerned Ocasio-Cortez’s proposal to double the tax rate on the so-called 1% to 70%.

According to Fox News:

U.S. Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., abruptly halted a Twitter debate with newcomer Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York early Sunday morning [January 6] after at least three commenters made references to the June 2017 shooting in which Scalise and three other people were shot by a left-wing activist.

“snipe his ass,” one Twitter user wrote, in support of Ocasio-Cortez. . .

“she’s got better aim than James Hodgkinson, that’s for sure,” another wrote, comparing Ocasio-Cortez’s Twitter responses to the marksmanship of the suspect in the Virginia shooting, a Bernie Sanders supporter who later died in a shootout with police.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...a_civil_war_20_may_be_very_close_at_hand.html​

Proof repubican idiots should not be in charge of a budget.

You must have a blurting problem.
You just yell out the most stupid thing you can think of.

You are an idiot. So now we are going to throw 5 billion dollars per death in prevention. Do the math and tel me how that is going to work out.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Yep, and Until you drop your party affiliation you will not understand how much smarter you will be with out having to defend the charlatans in “your” party.

I see it here everyday. Posters attack the other party and defend their own, but pay little attention to their own values and core principles. Trump doesn’t represent my values and principles. He’s a bully, and a cheat. I personally don’t like him. Why would I ever want to be on his team by wearing the Republican red jersey? Further, there is absolutely no benefit to me in joining a party. Absolutely none.

My party affiliation is the Libertarian party...though even with them I do not agree on more than 50% or so. I do not recall doing much defending of the LP folks, though I do still think that Johnson despite all his flaws as far and away the best choice.

You may not be an active member of the GOP, but you vote for them exclusively, so really what is the difference?

I don’t have to defend them. I don’t have to take their calls for donations. And to some degree, as an independent, you actually have a louder voice. Consider- the vast majority of voters associated with a party vote for that party. The candidates know they have to get more unaffiliated voters to win a general election. So that is who they pander to.

I would join the Libertarian party if they were even close to viable. Johnson came across as an idiot and was a horrible choice for your party. In a election where a giant orange reality star beat a tired and corrupt old hag, the door was open for a third party canidate. Hell, Trump was as close to a third party canidate as you can get. He certainly wasn’t embraced by the Republican establishment, not until he nut kicked all the establishment republicans. But Johnson did a horrible job of carrying the Libertarian torch. This video pretty much sums up my feelings for GJ.

 

[dudmuck]

Extra cost which just creates blind spots.
Instead, address the root cause of why they're coming here.

They’re coming here because their country sucks, they have no future, we let them in, and their kids will be safe, Fed and educated. Ok, now address those root causes. Go.

Their country sucks and they won't do anything about it.
That's why their country sucks.
Open borders attracts the worst element sometimes.
People come here to rip America off.
If you make it harder to get in then you know they really want to be here.

As long as we have people here willing to pay them to work for them, nothing will stop them from coming. Until we actually go after those willing to pay illegals we will never stem the flow

Ok. Thank you for coming back to a reasonable and coherent discussion. I agree with you. Companies/employers in this country do incentivize illegal immigration. It’s a complicated issue.

On the one hand, we need these people here to provide the labor for our economy. On the other hand, a large portion of these illegals don’t work and join gangs or otherwise are nonproductive and a drain on our system. The closest figure I could find, of the estimated 12 million illegals, 8 are employed, 4 million are not.

I would like to see a simple system whereby people can immigrant here and work. Our federal government is so divided that productive discourse to that end seems impossible, and both sides are to blame (for those of you who will point the finger at the other party).

I think it gets to a point that if you bring in too many people they become more of a drain on the economy than a positive.
The people that used to sneak in were hard workers.
If they're paying them to come here and then demanding welfare, they are too much of a negative for this country.
Nevermind the fact that they drive down wages in California and every other state they settle in.
I'd still be living in California if it weren't for the fact that illegals and refugees were taking all of the jobs.
I couldn't find anything that paid more than $4/hr back in the 80s.
Low skilled laborers end up getting screwed the most by illegals.

wow really

 

[Calypso Jones]

hmm. The left is willing to let children suffer from covid mRNA shots and calls it good that only 100s have suffered.
What happened to that saving just one life is worth it.