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When I went to school we said The Lord's Prayer every day, right along with the Pledge of Allegiance. Every day. Bow your head and say the prayer.
We didn't have any religion at home. It was simply not part of our lives so I asked my mother why I had to say a prayer every day when it wasn't our religion. She told me that it certainly isn't going to hurt anyone, say the prayer. It's good for you.
She was right. It certainly isn't harmful. It might be good to remind children to forgive their tresspassers once in awhile.
SCOTUS disagrees.
A lot of religious nuts insist there is no separation of church and state in the United States because the constitution doesn't use the exact words "separation of church and state."
If there is no separation of church and state, than that means there must be an official state religion.
I'd like to know what they think it is.
Obviously, barring the establishment of a state religion means the exact same thing as separation of church and state. It's a synonym.
There is no state religion and the Constitution does not say "separation of church and state".
So what are you confused about?
No confusion.
My point is the establishment clause = separation of church and state. It means the same thing in different words.
That was the intent of Thomas Jefferson, you know, the guy who actually wrote the 1st amendment.
When I went to school we said The Lord's Prayer every day, right along with the Pledge of Allegiance. Every day. Bow your head and say the prayer.
We didn't have any religion at home. It was simply not part of our lives so I asked my mother why I had to say a prayer every day when it wasn't our religion. She told me that it certainly isn't going to hurt anyone, say the prayer. It's good for you.
She was right. It certainly isn't harmful. It might be good to remind children to forgive their tresspassers once in awhile.
SCOTUS disagrees.
The present, or future, SCOTUS can reverse field any day.
My fervent hope is that you nuts piss off so many people that we one day get a truly conservative Court and some of the nonsense that the left and the right have been pushing for years gets reversed
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the thought that little boys can use the girl's restroom at school, but not pray.
How stupid are some of you?
There is no state religion and the Constitution does not say "separation of church and state".
So what are you confused about?
No confusion.
My point is the establishment clause = separation of church and state. It means the same thing in different words.
That was the intent of Thomas Jefferson, you know, the guy who actually wrote the 1st amendment.
Why are people SO misinformed as to think Jefferson was in the country, much less wrote the First Amendment. To be accurate, those Founders involved in debating and offering various drafts of the First Amendment are James Madison, Peter Sylvester, Benjamin Huntington, Samuel Livermore, and Fisher Ames.
Sorry folks The discussion has been declared "over".
SCOTUS has opined, the far right has whined, and the separation of church and state shined.
Give your opinions, folks, but SCOTUS makes the final decisions.
No confusion.
My point is the establishment clause = separation of church and state. It means the same thing in different words.
That was the intent of Thomas Jefferson, you know, the guy who actually wrote the 1st amendment.
Why are people SO misinformed as to think Jefferson was in the country, much less wrote the First Amendment. To be accurate, those Founders involved in debating and offering various drafts of the First Amendment are James Madison, Peter Sylvester, Benjamin Huntington, Samuel Livermore, and Fisher Ames.
And what were the later writings on the subject, my friend?
When I went to school we said The Lord's Prayer every day, right along with the Pledge of Allegiance. Every day. Bow your head and say the prayer.
We didn't have any religion at home. It was simply not part of our lives so I asked my mother why I had to say a prayer every day when it wasn't our religion. She told me that it certainly isn't going to hurt anyone, say the prayer. It's good for you.
She was right. It certainly isn't harmful. It might be good to remind children to forgive their tresspassers once in awhile.
SCOTUS disagrees.
The present, or future, SCOTUS can reverse field any day.
My fervent hope is that you nuts piss off so many people that we one day get a truly conservative Court and some of the nonsense that the left and the right have been pushing for years gets reversed
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the thought that little boys can use the girl's restroom at school, but not pray.
How stupid are some of you?
SCOTUS disagrees.
The present, or future, SCOTUS can reverse field any day.
My fervent hope is that you nuts piss off so many people that we one day get a truly conservative Court and some of the nonsense that the left and the right have been pushing for years gets reversed
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the thought that little boys can use the girl's restroom at school, but not pray.
How stupid are some of you?
The "stupid" you are talking to is the man in your mirror.
The "so many people" you write about disagree with you. You are in the small minority.
Your child can pray in school so long as he does not try to grab the PA with authority approval.
This is over.
There is no state religion and the Constitution does not say "separation of church and state".
So what are you confused about?
No confusion.
My point is the establishment clause = separation of church and state. It means the same thing in different words.
That was the intent of Thomas Jefferson, you know, the guy who actually wrote the 1st amendment.
Why are people SO misinformed as to think Jefferson was in the country, much less wrote the First Amendment. To be accurate, those Founders involved in debating and offering various drafts of the First Amendment are James Madison, Peter Sylvester, Benjamin Huntington, Samuel Livermore, and Fisher Ames.
SCOTUS has opined, the far right has whined, and the separation of church and state shined.
Give your opinions, folks, but SCOTUS makes the final decisions.
Yeah, they've opined in completely contradictory ways which I have proven and which you refuse to address. Jake, your entitled to your opinion, but saying it is settled law per the Supreme Court is completely false.
The inclusion of religious symbols in public holiday displays came before the Supreme Court in Lynch v. Donnelly (1984), and again in Allegheny County v. Greater Pittsburgh ACLU (1989). In the former case, the Court upheld the public display of a crèche, ruling that any benefit to religion was "indirect, remote, and incidental." In Allegheny County, however, the Court struck down a crèche display, which occupied a prominent position in the county courthouse and bore the words Gloria in Excelsis Deo, the words sung by the angels at the Nativity (Luke 2:14 in the Latin Vulgate translation). At the same time, the Allegheny County Court upheld the display of a nearby menorah, which appeared along with a Christmas tree and a sign saluting liberty, reasoning that "the combined display of the tree, the sign, and the menorah ... simply recognizes that both Christmas and Hanukkah are part of the same winter-holiday season, which has attained a secular status in our society."
In 2001, Roy Moore, then Chief Justice of Alabama, installed a monument to the Ten Commandments in the state judicial building. In 2003, he was ordered in the case of Glassroth v. Moore by a federal judge to remove the monument, but he refused to comply, ultimately leading to his removal from office. The Supreme Court refused to hear the case, allowing the lower court's decision to stand.
On March 2, 2005, the Supreme Court heard arguments for two cases involving religious displays, Van Orden v. Perry and McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky. These were the first cases directly dealing with display of the Ten Commandments the Court had heard since Stone v. Graham (1980). These cases were decided on June 27, 2005. In Van Orden, the Court upheld, by a 5-4 vote, the legality of a Ten Commandments display at the Texas state capitol due to the monument's "secular purpose." In McCreary County, however, the Court ruled 5-4 that displays of the Ten Commandments in several Kentucky county courthouses were illegal because they were not clearly integrated with a secular display, and thus were considered to have a religious purpose.
No confusion.
My point is the establishment clause = separation of church and state. It means the same thing in different words.
That was the intent of Thomas Jefferson, you know, the guy who actually wrote the 1st amendment.
Why are people SO misinformed as to think Jefferson was in the country, much less wrote the First Amendment. To be accurate, those Founders involved in debating and offering various drafts of the First Amendment are James Madison, Peter Sylvester, Benjamin Huntington, Samuel Livermore, and Fisher Ames.
James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights, but he was mentored by Thomas Jefferson who advocated a Bill of Rights. James Madison was at first reluctant to write a Bill of Rights. He would have never written it without the influence of Thomas Jefferson.
The Bill of Rights: Its History and its Significance
Why are people SO misinformed as to think Jefferson was in the country, much less wrote the First Amendment. To be accurate, those Founders involved in debating and offering various drafts of the First Amendment are James Madison, Peter Sylvester, Benjamin Huntington, Samuel Livermore, and Fisher Ames.
James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights, but he was mentored by Thomas Jefferson who advocated a Bill of Rights. James Madison was at first reluctant to write a Bill of Rights. He would have never written it without the influence of Thomas Jefferson.
The Bill of Rights: Its History and its Significance
So we've gone from Jefferson who wrote the first amendment, to now being reduced to a mentor. Yet Jefferson himself is quoted as being an advocate for the freedom of religion, and against the federal government interference into the religious freedom of others. It seems you don't know your history of Jefferson too well.
