Zone1 If the perp who did this is brought to trial, what should the verdict be?

[Hector12]

Explain to me how asking people what race they are and then matching that to DNA proves biological race is a real thing. Or why Africans can be biologically closer to Europeans and Asians than they are to other Africans. Murray throws a lot of supposition out that is largely and easily disproven like his ideas about sickle cell being race related when biology actually shows it relates to geographic areas that suffered from malaria which includes Sub Saharan Africa but also parts of the Mediterranean and India.

The experiment described by Charles Murray is an excellent experiment because it is double blind, and it has been repeated with the same results. DNA research is coming increasingly to provide scientific proff of the assertions of race realism.

 

[Curried Goats]

The experiment described by Charles Murray is an excellent experiment because it is double blind, and it has been repeated with the same results. DNA research is coming increasingly to provide scientific proff of the assertions of race realism.

What does it prove exactly though? Am I supposed to be surprised that people with sub Saharan ancestry identify as black and people of European ancestry identify as white? How does that prove that race is biologically real? And if race is biologically real then why are there fewer genetic differences between Africans and Europeans than Africans and other Africans? Do you understand biologically what it means when we say there is more genetic diversity within the African continent than between Africans and Europeans?

 

[Hector12]

Based on what? I need more than just your say so. I mean based on your reasoning the Inuits should be the most advanced civilization on Earth.

Cold climates and civilization together select genetically for intelligence. That is why whites of European origins and Orientals have the highest IQ averages, and why we have been able to create the most advanced civilizations. Eskimos do have higher IQ averages than American Indians.

 

[Hector12]

What does it prove exactly though? Am I supposed to be surprised that people with sub Saharan ancestry identify as black and people of European ancestry identify as white? How does that prove that race is biologically real? And if race is biologically real then why are there fewer genetic differences between Africans and Europeans than Africans and other Africans? Do you understand biologically what it means when we say there is more genetic diversity within the African continent than between Africans and Europeans?

Charles Murray answers your questions excellently in the essay I alluded to. Your objectiosns are picayune.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

Is that a fact inherent in Black people as a race or reflections of socio economic circumstances?

both, i think..

 

[Curried Goats]

Cold climates and civilization together select genetically for intelligence.

Based on what? You and race realists need more than a silly hypothesis. Lots of animals live in climates colder than most humans live in. Have they evolved to be smarter than us because of it? This hypothesis doesnt even pass a simple logic test.

That is why whites of European origins and Orientals have the highest IQ averages, and why we have been able to create the most advanced civilizations. Eskimos do have higher IQ averages than American Indians.

They do not. They have average IQs.

Charles Murray answers your questions excellently in the essay I alluded to. Your objectiosns are picayune.

He doesn't. If you think he does then quote him. Quote where he explains why race, rather than geography is a better explanation for sickle cell.

 

[Hector12]

Based on what?

Based on the high IQ averages of European whites and Orientals.

Compare that with Negro averages in sub Saharan Africa.

 

[Curried Goats]

Based on the high IQ averages of European whites and Orientals.

Compare that with Negro averages in sub Saharan Africa.

That's not cause, that's correlation.

 

[Hector12]

That's not cause, that's correlation.

Correlation is often the best proof of causation.

 

[JoeB131]

Correlation is often the best proof of causation.

Only if you ignore all causation that bothers you.

Whites and Asians never encountered the following in the United States:

Slavery
Jim Crow
Sundown Laws
Miscegenation laws
Voter Suppression
Literacy tests
Poll Taxes
Lynching

 

[Hector12]

Only if you ignore all causation that bothers you.

Whites and Asians never encountered the following in the United States:

Slavery
Jim Crow
Sundown Laws
Miscegenation laws
Voter Suppression
Literacy tests
Poll Taxes
Lynching

None of that explains low black IQ averages and high black rates of crime and illegitimacy. Genetic pressures in sub Saharan Africa do explain them.

 

[JoeB131]

None of that explains low black IQ averages and high black rates of crime and illegitimacy. Genetic pressures in sub Saharan Africa do explain them.

If that were the case, you'd have actual scientists studying it, rather than cranks like Murray putting together bullshit data.

 

[Hector12]

If that were the case, you'd have actual scientists studying it, rather than cranks like Murray putting together bullshit data.

You have not been able to explain how Charles Murray's data is incorrect. I have been able to explain how it is correct. You disregard facts you do not want to believe.

Where is there scientific evidence of intrinsic average mental equality between blacks and whites? I have proved that it does not exist. All you can do is repeat excuses for why it does not exist. I doubt even you believe those excuses.

By every objective, measurable criterion blacks tend to be considerably less intelligent than whites and Orientals. This has always been obvious.

 

[Curried Goats]

Correlation is often the best proof of causation.

No.

 

[JoeB131]

You have not been able to explain how Charles Murray's data is incorrect.

Sure I have, so have many other people.

By every objective, measurable criterion blacks tend to be considerably less intelligent than whites and Orientals. This has always been obvious.

Yet the black guy got paid more than you did! And your boss wasn't afraid to let you k now!

 

[Hector12]

Sure I have, so have many other people.

Then do it again.

How is this mistaken?

How is this mistaken?

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SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity: 2003

In recent years the noted pattern of test scores has reflected similar numbers--
Editor, 2005

SAT Ethnic Group Scores (Math/Verbal+total)

• American Indian---482/480 (962)
• Asian American-----575/508 (1083)
• African American-----426/431 (857)
• Puerto Rican----457/448 (905)

Other Hispanic----464/457 (921)

• White-----534/529 (1063)
• Other ----513/501 (1014)

Source: www.collegeboard.com

Average ACT Composite Score by Race/Ethnicity, 2003
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• African American ----16.9
• American Indian---18.7
• Caucasian---- 21.7
• Mexican American----18.3
• Asian American---- 21.8
• Hispanic----19.0
• Other ----19.3
• Multiracial-----20.9
• Prefer Not to Respond -----21.8
• No Response-----20.1

Source: www.act.org

SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity

SAT and ACT Scores broken down by Race/Ethnicity.

www.blackexcel.org

How is this mistaken?

RACE, INTELLIGENCE, AND THE BRAIN: THE ERRORS ANDOMISSIONS OF THE 'REVISED' EDITION OF S. J. GOULD'STHE MISMEASURE OF MAN (1996)J. Philippe RushtonDepartment of Psychology, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario N6A 5C2, Canada

Gould withholds from his readers that The Bell Curve is mainly an empirical work about the causes of socialstratification and that it reached its conclusions only after fully analyzing a 12-year longitudinal study of 12,486youths (3022 of whom were African-American), which showed that most 17-year-olds with high IQs (Blacksas well as Whites) went on to occupational success by their late 20s and early 30s whereas many of those withlow IQs (both Black and White) went on to welfare dependency. The average IQ for African-Americans wasfound to be lower than those for Latino-, White-, Asian-, and Jewish-Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 115,respectively, pp. 273-278). Failure to mention these data fosters the false belief that IQ tests are not predictiveand are biased in favor of North Europeans.

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Notice the thirty point difference in average IQ between Negroes and Jews.

 

[Hector12]

Yet the black guy got paid more than you did! And your boss wasn't afraid to let you k now!

Fortunately, my boss was not afraid to fire him after six months either.

Affirmative action causes the hiring of Negroes who are grotesquely inadequate.

 

[Mr Natural]

How about a slow, painful, humiliating death?

Life in prison with no chance of parole is a slow, painful, humiliating death.

 

[JoeB131]

Fortunately, my boss was not afraid to fire him after six months either.

Affirmative action causes the hiring of Negroes who are grotesquely inadequate.

Yeah, but he still paid him more than you, that had to burn. And he let you know about it, which most companies don't do. That shows a particular level of contempt.

 

[Hector12]

Yeah, but he still paid him more than you, that had to burn. And he let you know about it, which most companies don't do. That shows a particular level of contempt.

I kept my job. When he got fired everyone celebrated. My boss fired him in front of us in a way that was deliberately humiliating.