JoeB131
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Wow, that sounds pretty unprofessional.
I'm not sure why you think this was a good place to work, with so much unprofessional management.
Zone1 If the perp who did this is brought to trial, what should the verdict be?
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I'm not sure why you think this was a good place to work, with so much unprofessional management.
peacefan
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and in the real world, often there is no correlation at all.
JoeB131
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You remind me of a campus communist who would sit at a booth are recite slogans....
That's how sad you are.
Curried Goats
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It was the hard work of black slaves that the white people of this country lived off of. The Founders were America's biggest welfare queens.
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Slavery was a long time ago. Get over it.
Curried Goats
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You're the one who mentioned welfare. Make a rational argument.
We have a Constitution that disagrees with that. Two wrongs do not make a right. The perp should lose his liberty at the very least for the rest of his life. But cruel and unusual punishment is explicitly forbidden by our Constitution and law.
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The way to get around the Congressional restriction against "cruel and unusual punishment" is to make cruel punishment usual.
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Well I'm glad most people are not in favor of that.
JoeB131
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Naw,man, you just repeat the same tired slogans you would never say out loud in public.You know that what I said is true.
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If I went to the working class neighborhood you grew up in it doubt that is true.
JoeB131
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If I went to the working class neighborhood you grew up in it doubt that is true.
Maybe 50 years ago when I grew up there.... But, no, not really. Your Eugenics shit wouldn't really fly anywhere....
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The Social Science Journaljournal homepage: www.elsevier.com/locate/soscijUnderstanding public support for eugenic policies: Resultsfrom survey data
L.J. ZigerellIllinois State University, Schroeder Hall 401, Normal, IL 61790-4600, USA
Article history:Received 6 September 2018Received in revised form 4 January 2019Accepted 4 January 2019
a b s t r a c tLittle published empirical research has investigated public support for eugenic policies. Toadd to this literature, a survey on attitudes about eugenic policies was conducted of participants from Amazon Mechanical Turk who indicated residence in the United States (N > 400).Survey items assessed the levels and correlates of support for policies that, among otherthings, encourage lower levels of reproduction among the poor, the unintelligent, and people who have committed serious crimes and encourage higher levels of reproduction amongthe wealthy and the intelligent.
Analyses of responses indicated nontrivial support for mostof the eugenic policies asked about, such as at least 40% support for policies encouraginglower levels of reproduction among poor people, unintelligent people, and people who havecommitted serious crimes. Support for the eugenic policies often associated with feelingsabout the target group and with the perceived heritability of the distinguishing trait of thetarget group. To the extent that this latter association reflects a causal effect of perceivedheritability, increased genetic attributions among the public might produce increased public supportfor eugenic policies and increase the probability that such policies are employed.© 2019 Western Social Science Association. Published by Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
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1998 Autumn-Winter;11(3-4):493-510.
doi: 10.1017/s0269889700003173.
Most geneticists, except in China, rejected government involvement in premarital testing or sterilization, but most also held a pessimistic view of persons with genetic disabilities. Individual, but not state-coerced, eugenics survives in much modern genetic practice.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
doi: 10.1017/s0269889700003173.
Eugenics is alive and well: a survey of genetic professionals around the world
Abstract
A survey of 2901 genetics professionals in 36 nations suggests that eugenic thought underlies their perceptions of the goals of genetics and that directiveness in counseling after prenatal diagnosis leads to individual decisions based on pessimistically biased information, especially in developing nations of Asia and Eastern Europe. The "non-directive counseling" found in English-speaking nations is an aberration from the rest of the world.Most geneticists, except in China, rejected government involvement in premarital testing or sterilization, but most also held a pessimistic view of persons with genetic disabilities. Individual, but not state-coerced, eugenics survives in much modern genetic practice.
Eugenics is alive and well: a survey of genetic professionals around the world - PubMed
A survey of 2901 genetics professionals in 36 nations suggests that eugenic thought underlies their perceptions of the goals of genetics and that directiveness in counseling after prenatal diagnosis leads to individual decisions based on pessimistically biased information, especially in...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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1998 Autumn-Winter;11(3-4):397-417.
doi: 10.1017/s0269889700003100.
Pressures to lower health-care costs remain an important stimulus to eugenic approaches. Prenatal diagnosis followed by abortion of affected fetuses has replaced sterilization as the major eugenic technique. Voluntary acceptance has replaced coercion, but subtle pressures undermine personal autonomy. The failure of the old eugenics to accurately predict who will have affected offspring virtually disappears when prenatal diagnosis is used to predict Mendelian disorders. However, when prenatal diagnosis is used to detect inherited susceptibilities to adult-onset, common, complex disorders, considerable uncertainty is inherent in the prediction. Intolerance and the resurgence of genetic determinism are current pressures for a eugenic approach. The increasing use of carrier screening (to identify those at risk of having affected offspring) and of prenatal diagnosis could itself generate intolerance for those who refuse the procedures.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
doi: 10.1017/s0269889700003100.
Eugenics and genetic testing
Pressures to lower health-care costs remain an important stimulus to eugenic approaches. Prenatal diagnosis followed by abortion of affected fetuses has replaced sterilization as the major eugenic technique. Voluntary acceptance has replaced coercion, but subtle pressures undermine personal autonomy. The failure of the old eugenics to accurately predict who will have affected offspring virtually disappears when prenatal diagnosis is used to predict Mendelian disorders. However, when prenatal diagnosis is used to detect inherited susceptibilities to adult-onset, common, complex disorders, considerable uncertainty is inherent in the prediction. Intolerance and the resurgence of genetic determinism are current pressures for a eugenic approach. The increasing use of carrier screening (to identify those at risk of having affected offspring) and of prenatal diagnosis could itself generate intolerance for those who refuse the procedures.
Eugenics and genetic testing - PubMed
Pressures to lower health-care costs remain an important stimulus to eugenic approaches. Prenatal diagnosis followed by abortion of affected fetuses has replaced sterilization as the major eugenic technique. Voluntary acceptance has replaced coercion, but subtle pressures undermine personal...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
JoeB131
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You really want us to emulate Communist China?
As someone married someone who escaped from China, I can tell you that this is really not a good idea.
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I like the way the Chinese are developing ways to estimate IQ and propensity to engage in crime through genetic research.
JoeB131
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Um, yeah, I think you'd like it a lot less if they harvested you for transplant organs. I joke about that kind of thing, they ACTUALLY DO IT!
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