If possible, should we peacefully split the country?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just think about it logically. Which program is going to have a better long term result: A program that gives money to someone who refuses to work, or a program that pushes that same person to get a job and work their way up the income ladder?

After you get a job and work, you'll be making more money, and moving up in the world.
After you are on welfare, you start again at the bottom rung of the economy.

Which one of those really helps?

And what are some of the keys that lift people out of poverty? Being a better person. Having a "protestant work ethic". Showing up on time. Working consistently and with honesty and integrity.

Welfare and food stamps can't teach you that. Yet all those things I've heard preached and taught at multiple Christian churches.

My father not so proudly admits he only has a 9th grade education. Like many during his time, he had to quit school to work and help support the family. But my fathers philosophies are unique.

I remember him telling me as a child, money is easy to make; an idiot can make money. But money is hard to keep. A financially successful person is one who can make a lot of money and able to keep it.

With the exception of those with mental or physical disabilities, a person can make little money and still do okay under my fathers philosophy: Graduate high school, don't have kids you can't afford, stay out of trouble with the law, don't try addictive substances like drugs or alcohol, and work a lot of hours. It's really not that hard.

But today and for many years now, people don't think about keeping the money part. They act irresponsibly and then point to society for their failures. For instance, it's estimated that the cost to raise a child today to the age of 18 years old is $233,600, and that's just for one child. Yet the poor often have several children and pass that cost to us taxpayers, because they've been conditioned that government will always be there to bailout their irresponsible actions.

Once you drop out of school, get involved in drugs and perhaps gang related activity, have kids you could never afford, you will always be poor, and that's not my fault or yours. Under most conditions, poor people bring their plight upon themselves.

 

[Lesh]

Just what the title asks. If a house divided cannot stand, should the house divide into two or more houses that can stand while we can still seperate peacefully?

Since I believe I am required a link...here it is...

Is America Doomed to Split Apart?

townhall.com

Let's let Texas secede. Save us all a hell of a lot of money

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You do know that Trump never read the Constitution.. He said it was too hard.

If you want your own Republican state... Where will that be? Syria also has a one party system.

Nobody moves out of the country. If anybody does, it should be Democrats who embellish a socialist/ communist way of government and economy that already exists in other places. Instead, we divide this country into smaller countries.

My idea is we divide the country in two with equal square miles from north to south. We have a national vote to decide what country the Democrats get and what country the Republicans get. The perfect situation would be the left gets the west side of our current country, and the right gets the east side. That way the liberals can border their precious Mexico that they love so much. In fact they may even want to erase the border so Mexico and the west side are all one country.

Then we on the right build a huge Trump wall on that north to south line to keep the Democrats from coming over. Then everybody is happy.

 

[skews13]

Just what the title asks. If a house divided cannot stand, should the house divide into two or more houses that can stand while we can still seperate peacefully?

Since I believe I am required a link...here it is...

Is America Doomed to Split Apart?

townhall.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm sure there would be trade. Coastal provinces will hold all the power there as the crops grown in the land locked "nation" become worthless until the coastal areas demands are met. Then again, those in the middle of this ridiculous nation would not contribute to the military at all. After all..to get to them, you'd have to conquer the surrounding lands.... Unless...the surrounding lands decide to conquer them. LOL

But lets continue down the rabbit hole of idiocy. So...6 different currencies too?

Again, I don't agree with 6, but I'd settle for 3. Each part would be their own individual country. They would have their own Constitution, their own military, their own everything. We would have commerce and trade like we do with other countries now. On the right, we would keep our current Constitution. On the left, they would have to rewrite their own since they hate our current one so much. Nobody would have to conquer anything. Canada and Mexico are separate countries, but we have trade and commerce with both every day of the year.

 

[skews13]

Just what the title asks. If a house divided cannot stand, should the house divide into two or more houses that can stand while we can still seperate peacefully?

Since I believe I am required a link...here it is...

Is America Doomed to Split Apart?

townhall.com

Preserve your freedom?

Your freedom to do what?

Impose your beliefs on others?

Not have to get along with everyone else?

Not have to participate with the rest of society?

Just what exactly do you think freedom means?

Read this junior, and let me know which parts of it you don’t get.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[candycorn]

I'm sure there would be trade. Coastal provinces will hold all the power there as the crops grown in the land locked "nation" become worthless until the coastal areas demands are met. Then again, those in the middle of this ridiculous nation would not contribute to the military at all. After all..to get to them, you'd have to conquer the surrounding lands.... Unless...the surrounding lands decide to conquer them. LOL

But lets continue down the rabbit hole of idiocy. So...6 different currencies too?

Again, I don't agree with 6, but I'd settle for 3. Each part would be their own individual country. They would have their own Constitution, their own military, their own everything. We would have commerce and trade like we do with other countries now. On the right, we would keep our current Constitution. On the left, they would have to rewrite their own since they hate our current one so much. Nobody would have to conquer anything. Canada and Mexico are separate countries, but we have trade and commerce with both every day of the year.

Having 6 armies is pretty expensive....how you going to pay for it with no taxes? LOL

Oh, and The sending a load of oranges from Florida to Seattle would pass through 4 counters, 4 tariffs, etc...

The idea is batshit crazy.

 

[DBA]

Just what the title asks. If a house divided cannot stand, should the house divide into two or more houses that can stand while we can still seperate peacefully?

Since I believe I am required a link...here it is...

Is America Doomed to Split Apart?

townhall.com

Preserve your freedom?

Your freedom to do what?

Impose your beliefs on others?

Not have to get along with everyone else?

Not have to participate with the rest of society?

Just what exactly do you think freedom means?

Read this junior, and let me know which parts of it you don’t get.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Freedom doesn't mean we have to accept everything you left-wing kooks can cook up. Society requires some constraints, otherwise, it is complete chaos. We can't agree on those constraints. Lefty states simply ignore the federal government when they have laws they don't agree with. Sanctuary states ignore federal immigration law. The point is that each state should be able to ignore federal laws that their people vote to ignore, right? To say otherwise would be highly hypocritical, but I don't expect consistency from the left.

 

[DBA]

I'm sure there would be trade. Coastal provinces will hold all the power there as the crops grown in the land locked "nation" become worthless until the coastal areas demands are met. Then again, those in the middle of this ridiculous nation would not contribute to the military at all. After all..to get to them, you'd have to conquer the surrounding lands.... Unless...the surrounding lands decide to conquer them. LOL

But lets continue down the rabbit hole of idiocy. So...6 different currencies too?

Again, I don't agree with 6, but I'd settle for 3. Each part would be their own individual country. They would have their own Constitution, their own military, their own everything. We would have commerce and trade like we do with other countries now. On the right, we would keep our current Constitution. On the left, they would have to rewrite their own since they hate our current one so much. Nobody would have to conquer anything. Canada and Mexico are separate countries, but we have trade and commerce with both every day of the year.

Having 6 armies is pretty expensive....how you going to pay for it with no taxes? LOL

Oh, and The sending a load of oranges from Florida to Seattle would pass through 4 counters, 4 tariffs, etc...

The idea is batshit crazy.

Who said "no taxes"? Have you looney's noticed that many lower tax red states are doing just fine? Many looney's are fleeing blue states to lower tax rex states.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Having 6 armies is pretty expensive....how you going to pay for it with no taxes? LOL

Oh, and The sending a load of oranges from Florida to Seattle would pass through 4 counters, 4 tariffs, etc...

The idea is batshit crazy.

That's why I said three. We'll do just fine without you, in fact much better. Yes, we will have our taxation system just like you, it just won't be nearly as aggressive. After you tax your businesses at 70% like many of you on the left want to do now, those businesses will move to the Republican side. The more that move here, the more money we can collect and the lower percentage we would need to collect.

As for oranges, get yours from California in your own country. If you want to get your oranges from us, that could happen too. They'd likely be much cheaper even with the shipping.

 

[candycorn]

Having 6 armies is pretty expensive....how you going to pay for it with no taxes? LOL

Oh, and The sending a load of oranges from Florida to Seattle would pass through 4 counters, 4 tariffs, etc...

The idea is batshit crazy.

That's why I said three. We'll do just fine without you, in fact much better. Yes, we will have our taxation system just like you, it just won't be nearly as aggressive. After you tax your businesses at 70% like many of you on the left want to do now, those businesses will move to the Republican side. The more that move here, the more money we can collect and the lower percentage we would need to collect.

As for oranges, get yours from California in your own country. If you want to get your oranges from us, that could happen too. They'd likely be much cheaper even with the shipping.

So Florida won't have access to the Washington/Oregon/NE markets because of how states vote for President every 4 years.

Yeah, that's about the dumbest thing ever.

 

[candycorn]

I'm sure there would be trade. Coastal provinces will hold all the power there as the crops grown in the land locked "nation" become worthless until the coastal areas demands are met. Then again, those in the middle of this ridiculous nation would not contribute to the military at all. After all..to get to them, you'd have to conquer the surrounding lands.... Unless...the surrounding lands decide to conquer them. LOL

But lets continue down the rabbit hole of idiocy. So...6 different currencies too?

Again, I don't agree with 6, but I'd settle for 3. Each part would be their own individual country. They would have their own Constitution, their own military, their own everything. We would have commerce and trade like we do with other countries now. On the right, we would keep our current Constitution. On the left, they would have to rewrite their own since they hate our current one so much. Nobody would have to conquer anything. Canada and Mexico are separate countries, but we have trade and commerce with both every day of the year.

Having 6 armies is pretty expensive....how you going to pay for it with no taxes? LOL

Oh, and The sending a load of oranges from Florida to Seattle would pass through 4 counters, 4 tariffs, etc...

The idea is batshit crazy.

Who said "no taxes"? Have you looney's noticed that many lower tax red states are doing just fine? Many looney's are fleeing blue states to lower tax rex states.

Yeah, they're doing so good that when the temperature dropped all the way down to 20 degrees, Uncle Sam's phone was ringing off the hook with Texicans begging for help. LOL

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So Florida won't have access to the Washington/Oregon/NE markets because of how states vote for President every 4 years.

Yeah, that's about the dumbest thing ever.

Sure they would. We trade with Mexico, don't we? We trade with Canada, don't we? And again, my idea is to have two countries, not six. Anybody in the middle will just have to choose a side to live on. If you're more of a left leaning Independent, move to the Democrat country. If you're a more right leaning Independent, move to the Republican country.

You see, we would be more than happy without you. You and your ilk would be miserable without us, that's why everybody on the left is against the idea.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah, they're doing so good that when the temperature dropped all the way down to 20 degrees, Uncle Sam's phone was ringing off the hook with Texicans begging for help. LOL

That's because they subscribed to this idiotic green energy bullshit. The windmills froze and the solar panels couldn't get any sun being snow covered. Up north where we experience much worse, we had plenty of electricity and heat because we use fossil fuel energy.

 

[candycorn]

So Florida won't have access to the Washington/Oregon/NE markets because of how states vote for President every 4 years.

Yeah, that's about the dumbest thing ever.

Sure they would. We trade with Mexico, don't we? We trade with Canada, don't we? And again, my idea is to have two countries, not six. Anybody in the middle will just have to choose a side to live on. If you're more of a left leaning Independent, move to the Democrat country. If you're a more right leaning Independent, move to the Republican country.

You see, we would be more than happy without you. You and your ilk would be miserable without us, that's why everybody on the left is against the idea.

So the other dip-shit's idea for 6 nations was bat-shit crazy, right?

 

[DBA]

I'm sure there would be trade. Coastal provinces will hold all the power there as the crops grown in the land locked "nation" become worthless until the coastal areas demands are met. Then again, those in the middle of this ridiculous nation would not contribute to the military at all. After all..to get to them, you'd have to conquer the surrounding lands.... Unless...the surrounding lands decide to conquer them. LOL

But lets continue down the rabbit hole of idiocy. So...6 different currencies too?

Again, I don't agree with 6, but I'd settle for 3. Each part would be their own individual country. They would have their own Constitution, their own military, their own everything. We would have commerce and trade like we do with other countries now. On the right, we would keep our current Constitution. On the left, they would have to rewrite their own since they hate our current one so much. Nobody would have to conquer anything. Canada and Mexico are separate countries, but we have trade and commerce with both every day of the year.

Having 6 armies is pretty expensive....how you going to pay for it with no taxes? LOL

Oh, and The sending a load of oranges from Florida to Seattle would pass through 4 counters, 4 tariffs, etc...

The idea is batshit crazy.

Who said "no taxes"? Have you looney's noticed that many lower tax red states are doing just fine? Many looney's are fleeing blue states to lower tax rex states.

Yeah, they're doing so good that when the temperature dropped all the way down to 20 degrees, Uncle Sam's phone was ringing off the hook with Texicans begging for help. LOL

"Green energy" isn't all it is cracked up to be. Leave it to lefties to screw up everything.

 

[candycorn]

Yeah, they're doing so good that when the temperature dropped all the way down to 20 degrees, Uncle Sam's phone was ringing off the hook with Texicans begging for help. LOL

That's because they subscribed to this idiotic green energy bullshit. The windmills froze and the solar panels couldn't get any sun being snow covered. Up north where we experience much worse, we had plenty of electricity and heat because we use fossil fuel energy.

The governor of Texas disagrees with your silly assed assessment (about 5% of the power in Texas is from renewables)

Greg Abbott Says Natural Gas 'Frozen In Pipelines' As Texas Battles Outages

Texas could be facing natural gas outages as the state endures its third day of power cuts due to the severe weather conditions.

www.newsweek.com

He said: "My team has been talking to all the natural gas producers and suppliers in the state of Texas all afternoon to accelerate the process of their ability to get it. Their answer is: "It's just frozen right now. It's frozen in the pipeline. It's frozen at the rig. It's frozen at the transmission line."

Tell us some more lies.

Its all you got.

 

[candycorn]

I'm sure there would be trade. Coastal provinces will hold all the power there as the crops grown in the land locked "nation" become worthless until the coastal areas demands are met. Then again, those in the middle of this ridiculous nation would not contribute to the military at all. After all..to get to them, you'd have to conquer the surrounding lands.... Unless...the surrounding lands decide to conquer them. LOL

But lets continue down the rabbit hole of idiocy. So...6 different currencies too?

Again, I don't agree with 6, but I'd settle for 3. Each part would be their own individual country. They would have their own Constitution, their own military, their own everything. We would have commerce and trade like we do with other countries now. On the right, we would keep our current Constitution. On the left, they would have to rewrite their own since they hate our current one so much. Nobody would have to conquer anything. Canada and Mexico are separate countries, but we have trade and commerce with both every day of the year.

Having 6 armies is pretty expensive....how you going to pay for it with no taxes? LOL

Oh, and The sending a load of oranges from Florida to Seattle would pass through 4 counters, 4 tariffs, etc...

The idea is batshit crazy.

Who said "no taxes"? Have you looney's noticed that many lower tax red states are doing just fine? Many looney's are fleeing blue states to lower tax rex states.

Yeah, they're doing so good that when the temperature dropped all the way down to 20 degrees, Uncle Sam's phone was ringing off the hook with Texicans begging for help. LOL

"Green energy" isn't all it is cracked up to be. Leave it to lefties to screw up everything.

Gregg Abbott. Governor of Texas:

He said: "My team has been talking to all the natural gas producers and suppliers in the state of Texas all afternoon to accelerate the process of their ability to get it. Their answer is: "It's just frozen right now. It's frozen in the pipeline. It's frozen at the rig. It's frozen at the transmission line."

 

[candycorn]

So Florida won't have access to the Washington/Oregon/NE markets because of how states vote for President every 4 years.

Yeah, that's about the dumbest thing ever.

Sure they would. We trade with Mexico, don't we? We trade with Canada, don't we? And again, my idea is to have two countries, not six. Anybody in the middle will just have to choose a side to live on. If you're more of a left leaning Independent, move to the Democrat country. If you're a more right leaning Independent, move to the Republican country.

You see, we would be more than happy without you. You and your ilk would be miserable without us, that's why everybody on the left is against the idea.

Tell us how your idea would work out in terms of geographical allocation. This should be almost as hilarious as your idea for no taxes.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The governor of Texas disagrees with your silly assed assessment (about 5% of the power in Texas is from renewables)

Greg Abbott Says Natural Gas 'Frozen In Pipelines' As Texas Battles Outages

Texas could be facing natural gas outages as the state endures its third day of power cuts due to the severe weather conditions.

www.newsweek.com

He said: "My team has been talking to all the natural gas producers and suppliers in the state of Texas all afternoon to accelerate the process of their ability to get it. Their answer is: "It's just frozen right now. It's frozen in the pipeline. It's frozen at the rig. It's frozen at the transmission line."

Tell us some more lies.

Its all you got.

Nope. I watched interviews on evil right-wing news with representatives from Texas. They claim green energy is 25% of their electric grid.

Natural gas or propane does not freeze. If they don't have delivery systems that can handle that cold of temperatures, they need to retrofit them so they can. Our gas never freezes up north, and we've had temperatures -20 degrees in the past.