If Obama withhold SocSec check, will he be impeached?

[Chris]

How much did their employees pay?

Not enough.

Here's the problem, partner.

400 people control HALF the wealth in this country.

They pay income taxes at a rate of 17% on average.

That's about HALF the rate I pay at.

How is that fair?

So basically, you are for spreading the wealth earned by hard working wealthy taxpayers to people who are less fortunate correct?

Did you even read my post?

The super rich pay taxes at a 17% average rate.

I pay taxes at a rate TWICE that.

How is that fair?

 

[Chris]

Warren Buffett, the third-richest man in the world, has criticised the US tax system for allowing him to pay a lower rate than his secretary and his cleaner.

Speaking at a $4,600-a-seat fundraiser in New York for Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion (£26 billion), said: “The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you’re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.”

Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent. Mr Buffett told his audience, which included John Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, and Alan Patricof, the founder of the US branch of Apax Partners, that US government policy had accentuated a disparity of wealth that hurt the economy by stifling opportunity and motivation.

Buffett blasts system that lets him pay less tax than secretary - Times Online

 

[SFC Ollie]

Just threatening it was a very pissant thing to do. The man should be ashamed of himself. If he does withhold SS Checks,Impeachment should be on the table.

Are you really this ignorant.

The Executive has no authority with regard to spending:

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives…

Article I, Section 7, United States Constitution.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States…

Article I, Section 8, United States Constitution.

Not only has the president violated no laws, the Executive isn’t even mandated to address revenue and spending issues.

The president may only be impeached, which is like an indictment prior to trial in the Senate, upon evidence of violating a law; the president can’t be impeached because you don’t like what party he belongs to. Indeed, the republicans tried two presidents twice and failed both times.

Literally millions of seniors count on those checks for food money.

And if they go hungry that’s the fault of the House, not the Executive.

You’re entitled to be a tedious partisan hack, but at least don’t compound it with ignorance.

Millions more are starving in the streets, homeless, no jobs, no medical care, and facing republican shred/crap/tilt planned cuts that will doom them. TSK! The rich & corporations are eating just fine down in the tax havens of Burmuda.

Wow, they sure are picking up those dead starving bodies pretty quick. Not one news report has reported any one starving yet......

 

[jillian]

How much did their employees pay?

irrelevant. you think corporate profits should be exempt while working people pay? they don't make enough profits here to contribute?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If Obama withhold SocSec checks as he threatened, he should be immediately removed from office -- by force if necessary.

Our Seniors have paid into the "Trust Fund" their entire lives and the vast majority of them have come to depend on that check, some for their very survival. A short while ago, Obama made an outrageous, stunning threat that he will withhold delivery of the checks unless he gets his way with Congress. Obama's demands have NOTHING to do with delivering funds to our seniors.

NOTHING!

Bernie Madoff is in prison for abusing funds entrusted to him and if Obama makes good on his threat to starve our elderly, he should be cellmates with Bernie.

Seriously. Do you know how this works?

The government pays out millions of checks. If there is no credit..and no one that is making sure those checks get out..they could be delayed.

There are alot of unknowns. You can't just shut down the government and expect BAU.

Literally millions of seniors count on those checks for food money.

Yeah.....especially the ones who are scraping-by on their stock-dividends!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtBKE_8ICig]‪Edgemere - Health Care For Life‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

He lied again. The Gov't isn't going to suspend taxing paychecks, so revenue is still coming in whether the issue is resolved or not.

Oh you are a liar and a manipulator who hasn't a clue what government will do in the future. Now stick your crystal ball up your ass and STFU!!!

Business hasn't a clue either what this government will do in the future.

Gee.....let's (the rest-of-us) try to imagine what that's like.

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[shintao]

Are you really this ignorant.

The Executive has no authority with regard to spending:

All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives…

Article I, Section 7, United States Constitution.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States…

Article I, Section 8, United States Constitution.

Not only has the president violated no laws, the Executive isn’t even mandated to address revenue and spending issues.

The president may only be impeached, which is like an indictment prior to trial in the Senate, upon evidence of violating a law; the president can’t be impeached because you don’t like what party he belongs to. Indeed, the republicans tried two presidents twice and failed both times.


And if they go hungry that’s the fault of the House, not the Executive.

You’re entitled to be a tedious partisan hack, but at least don’t compound it with ignorance.

Millions more are starving in the streets, homeless, no jobs, no medical care, and facing republican shred/crap/tilt planned cuts that will doom them. TSK! The rich & corporations are eating just fine down in the tax havens of Burmuda.

Wow, they sure are picking up those dead starving bodies pretty quick. Not one news report has reported any one starving yet......

Oh Great! So nobody of the "Literally millions of seniors count on those checks for food money," are starving. Great news!!!!

 

[Lovebears65]

everytime this crybaby of a president doesnt get his way he tries to scare the public.. If he shuts it down 2012 wont come soon enough for the country

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Seriously. Do you know how this works?

The government pays out millions of checks. If there is no credit..and no one that is making sure those checks get out..they could be delayed.

There are alot of unknowns. You can't just shut down the government and expect BAU.

Literally millions of seniors count on those checks for food money. The idea that Obama can threaten their survival alone tell you a lot about the man you're defending. If he follows through on his threat he's worse than bin Laden.

You're defending this crap.

It's Conservatives that want to kill SSI.

Well.....not (exactly) kill it.

They just think it'd be more-entertaining, for everyone, if they put their retirement-buck$ in the stock-market!!​

 

[SFC Ollie]

The k00ks dont get it......they think if we just slam the shit out of the rich with taxes...........everything will be honkey dorey.

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD.

The Next Debt Crisis Could Come from Paris - BusinessWeek


Progressive tax policies do one thing effectively: they destroy socities.

Shit has never worked in the history of the world. Sounds sweet........but it doesnt work. Trickle-up Poverty economic policy is gay


Capitalism leads to rich and poor classes. Socialism leads to rich and GIANT MOFU poor class!!!

How about if they just pay their fair share?

This is the safest country in the world to keep their money. Why not pay for some of that "safety"? After all, they pay the bank to take care of their money. Why shouldn't they invest in the country they insist they support?

Most of the military are from poor families and they see the military as the only option for a better life. Very, very few rich people's kids are in the military. Why shouldn't they pay more? After all, how much are these lives worth? It's rich people who sent tens of thousands to Iraq where the only goal was to make money. Bush's friends made billions and billions of dollars.

No matter how much you squeeze an orange, eventually, it runs out of juice. Why protect those whose only goal is to get that last drop of juice?

rdean, why do you always have to make shit up? The military is not predominantly from poor people. The majority are from middle class zip codes and are better educated than the general public. You really should check military demographics sometime. maybe I wouldn't have to call you out so often.

 

[shintao]

He lied again. The Gov't isn't going to suspend taxing paychecks, so revenue is still coming in whether the issue is resolved or not.

Oh you are a liar and a manipulator who hasn't a clue what government will do in the future. Now stick your crystal ball up your ass and STFU!!!

Business hasn't a clue either what this government will do in the future. That's why all those jobs aren't being created.

Ask any "real" con about business, and stop relying on rushkie sound bites. Business is about taking risks in a capitalist system. If you want security, need to know the future, head for a socialist system.

 

[Chris]

everytime this crybaby of a president doesnt get his way he tries to scare the public.. If he shuts it down 2012 wont come soon enough for the country

Here's a civics lesson.

Congress has the power to raise the debt ceiling, not the president.

You need to read a little more.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Oh, here is 15 billion we could use.

"No wonder that of $15 billion in income taxes last year, Exxon paid none of it to Uncle Sam"what-the-top-us-companies-pay-in-taxes: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

How much did their employees pay?

Not enough.

Here's the problem, partner.

400 people control HALF the wealth in this country.

They pay income taxes at a rate of 17% on average.

That's about HALF the rate I pay at.

How is that fair?

Controlling the wealth? So if I have $6000 in my checking account I should pay taxes on it every year? Or should I just pay the year that I earn the money? Should we start treating everyones assets like property taxes? Pay on it every year until there is nothing left?

A Billionaire probably does not make a Billion dollars in a year. A Millionaire (I know 3 of them) does not make a million dollars in a year. Fact is I know a guy who is worth nearly 2 million and he never made more than $75,000 a year... Still doesn't spend a dime he doesn't have to.....

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Oh you are a liar and a manipulator who hasn't a clue what government will do in the future. Now stick your crystal ball up your ass and STFU!!!

Business hasn't a clue either what this government will do in the future. That's why all those jobs aren't being created.

Right. That's why Steve Wynn, business mogel, slamed Obama out in Las Vegas said that business were terrified to make a move as long as he was president and that he "was the greatest wet blanket to business, progress and job creation in my lifetime.”

After ALL.....American-businesses should be entitled to a stress-free/risk-free/effortlessly-profitable future!!!!

(Whatta bunch o' gutless, candy-ass wimps. )

 

[kaz]

your mind is hopelessly twisted by hate

He's treading into your territory?

 

[SFC Ollie]

How much did their employees pay?

irrelevant. you think corporate profits should be exempt while working people pay? they don't make enough profits here to contribute?

No Julian, I am all in favor of closing corporate loopholes.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I'd love to see a list of things that Obama has placed ahead of sending check to US Seniors.

me too.....like his own paycheck....

His Presidential-salary is $400K/yr.

They haven't covered that, in Elementary School, yet?? ​

 

[Chris]

The President agrees to reductions in SS & Medicare, something Bush couldn't get done in 2005. Something he referred to as "his greatest failure."

Fast forward 6 yrs- Obama GIVES the right something that up until now, they could only dream of. He agrees in spite of the fact his own supporters are so angry 50,000 people have signed a petition saying they won't support his reelection campaign if he does.

It's apparent that a leader who is ready to eviscerate one of the core principles of his own party, despite the great dissent among his supporters, is doing so in hopes of averting economic disaster for our country. It is also apparent to anyone who is intellectually honest that the GOPT has been negotiating in bad faith all along.

 

[shintao]

everytime this crybaby of a president doesnt get his way he tries to scare the public.. If he shuts it down 2012 wont come soon enough for the country

When will you get a handle on politics, because they all do it. What is so hard for you to understand anyway?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Bush's was lambasted for wanting to partially privatize the systems because there was a "trust fund" and Wall Street was a "Gamble"

Well I will take a chance on Wall Street any day when the alternative is 100% loss at the First Bank of Obama.

Privatize it all!

Holy fuckin' shit, are you an idiot!

Only an idiot would think he'd get a better investment return on Social Security taxes than if he invested his own money in stocks and bonds.

Yeah.....it's a slam-dunk.