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[Hafar1014]

Incorrect. Apparently you do not believe in accountability.

To the people we harm not to some made up god who threatens us

 

[Hafar1014]

Those aren't experiences of the after life.

Judaism strictly prohibits the use of psychic mediums and consulting the dead. Leviticus 19:31 and Deuteronomy 18:9-12 explicitly forbid these practices as abominations, requiring full reliance on God rather than occult methods. While acknowledging that some individuals might possess such abilities, Jewish law (halacha) forbids consulting them.

Who cares what some 5000 year old law states. I live in the state of nature freedom

 

[Meriweather]

It is logic Hell is punishment refuse to believe you go to hell. Thats pure logic. We are accountable to the people we harm. Not a made up idol. Jesus cant judge me because in my world he doesnt exist

Your made-up version of Christianity is shoddily done. Paul once addressed the question of judgment of those who have no belief in God, noting they would be judged by their own heart. God's law, believer or not, is written on every human heart.

Christianity does teach of God's redemption and salvation; he is both redeemer and savior. I'm kind of relieved that I am not left to the judgment of my own heart but have Jesus to take me through it. Sometimes the hardest person to forgive is oneself.

 

[Hafar1014]

Your made-up version of Christianity is shoddily done. Paul once addressed the question of judgment of those who have no belief in God, noting they would be judged by their own heart. God's law, believer or not, is written on every human heart.

Christianity does teach of God's redemption and salvation; he is both redeemer and savior. I'm kind of relieved that I am not left to the judgment of my own heart but have Jesus to take me through it. Sometimes the hardest person to forgive is oneself.

Its still based on the threat of suffering in Hell. Thats not made up. I dont need gods redemption and Jesus is not my savior. I dont need a savior. Im not going to hell because there is no hell. Just the threat of Christianity. Which cant apply to me.
Your platitudes are a pathetic denial of what you relly do believe. If you believe in hell then you believe in the threat.

 

[Meriweather]

Its still based on the threat of suffering in Hell. Thats not made up.

I've asked this a couple of times before and you never responded. Again, please provide us with your source that Christianity is based on the threat of suffering in hell. That is pure ignorance, as I have also pointed out before.

I dont need gods redemption and Jesus is not my savior. I dont need a savior. Im not going to hell because there is no hell. Just the threat of Christianity. Which cant apply to me.
Your platitudes are a pathetic denial of what you relly do believe. If you believe in hell then you believe in the threat.

Again, give us the source that Christianity threatens hell. Or, at least have enough integrity to say, "I, Hafar1014, ignorantly believe Christianity threatens me with hell."

Christians believe in free will. We believe if someone does not want to spend eternity in the presence of God, they may choose this existence. If I understand one of your past posts correctly, you do not believe in God, so the matter of choosing to live or not live in the presence of God does not even arise for you?

 

[Hafar1014]

I've asked this a couple of times before and you never responded. Again, please provide us with your source that Christianity is based on the threat of suffering in hell. That is pure ignorance, as I have also pointed out before.

Again, give us the source that Christianity threatens hell. Or, at least have enough integrity to say, "I, Hafar1014, ignorantly believe Christianity threatens me with hell."

Christians believe in free will. We believe if someone does not want to spend eternity in the presence of God, they may choose this existence. If I understand one of your past posts correctly, you do not believe in God, so the matter of choosing to live or not live in the presence of God does not even arise for you?

I am not an atheist.
While some interpretations of Christianity emphasize hell as a fear-based motivator for conversion and obedience, many Christians view it as a consequence of rejecting God’s love rather than a primary foundation. The focus on hell ("fire and brimstone") is often seen as a tool for control or a misunderstanding of the Bible.
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• Diverse Views on Hell: Major denominations and theologians hold differing views. Some interpret hell as literal eternal torture, while others see it as the "absence of God," a state of self-exclusion or separation from goodness.
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• Motivation for Faith: While some Christians are motivated by fear of damnation, many others focus on love, grace, and redemption as the core of faith, regarding hell as a secondary, albeit real, consequence.
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• Biblical Interpretation: The concept of "hell" often refers to words like Sheol (grave) or Gehenna, and many believe the modern imagery of eternal punishment was developed later, rather than being the primary message of Jesus.
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• Control vs. Love: Criticisms often highlight how the fear of hell has been used by church institutions to ensure obedience, whereas proponents argue that God desires for people to choose Him freely, rather than through fear.
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• Fear, an ineffective motivator for genuine heart change and spiritual growth, is intended to restrain evil actions and people. The concept of eternal Hellfire as a motivation for faith has long been a cornerstone of the Augustinian-Calvinist message. However, this idea warrants careful scrutiny because it fundamentally contradicts the essence of God’s nature as portrayed in Scripture. Love, not fear, should be the foundation of our relationship with God; as John clearly states,
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  “There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.” ​
  (1 John 4:18). A faith rooted in existential dread, particularly that of eternal punishment, distorts our understanding of God and leads to unhealthy spiritual, emotional, and relational consequences.​

  Hellfire as Motivator​

  The Gospel is a message of love, not fear. Jesus summarized the Law and the Prophets with the command to love God with all our hearts, souls, and minds and love our neighbors as ourselves (Matthew 22:37-40). This is the essence of the true ancient Christian faith—a faith that is not driven by fear but by love.
  Love and existential dread are mutually exclusive in the context of a healthy relationship. The Hebrew word for “faith” is also the word for “trust.” The idea that God would use the threat of endless torture in Hellfire as a means to compel us to trust Him is fundamentally flawed—a truly loving parent cannot threaten their child’s life with fire and demand that they love them in return to avoid it. Likewise, if our faith in God is rooted in fear, then it is not truly trusting. You cannot genuinely trust someone you also fear will harm you at the slightest misstep. A faith built on fear of Hellfire is inherently unstable, prone to collapse under its own weight. Existential dread breeds suspicion and anxiety, not the peace and security that trust in God offers:​

 

[ding]

It is logic Hell is punishment refuse to believe you go to hell. Thats pure logic. We are accountable to the people we harm. Not a made up idol. Jesus cant judge me because in my world he doesnt exist

So you don't believe in accountability. Got it. That's not a surprise.

 

[ding]

If you are motivated by fear then you were raised wrong. We are motivated by encouragement and hope not threats and fear. Jews contributed more to humanity than any other culture.

Says the guy who says his people don't believe in accountability.

 

[ding]

To the people we harm not to some made up god who threatens us

No. Not to anyone. Especially God. You don't believe in accountability.

 

[ding]

Who cares what some 5000 year old law states. I live in the state of nature freedom

Yep, with no accountability to God.

 

[Hafar1014]

Says the guy who says his people don't believe in accountability.

I explained this we are accountable only to those we harm

 

[Hafar1014]

No. Not to anyone. Especially God. You don't believe in accountability.

If you believe after a life of sin you just claim I believe in Jesus and all is forgiven thats the perfect definition of not being accountable. What load of BS that is.

 

[ding]

I explained that we are accountable to those we harm not to God. Only they can forgive. God does not control my life. I dont owe him an apology. I cant go to hell because there is no hell. God has power over me he empowered me.
In your thinking God is a punitive authoritarian father figure. A tyrant. Was that what your father was?

Correct I am accountable to those I harm and God has no power over me he has empowered me. Is god a metaphor for your father. Authoritarian, punitive a punisher ?

I explained this we are accountable only to those we harm

If you believe after a life of sin you just claim I believe in Jesus and all is forgiven thats the perfect definition of not being accountable. What load of BS that is.

You have no accountability to God. I got it.

I do.

 

[Mashmont]

god did NOT create man. Man created god. The so-called "Christians" on this forum sue their version of their god as a weapon against others who do NOT conform to their twisted as shit morality. Their claims of being "Pro-Life" ring hollow because after the baby is born they do not give a shit it

In this clip, the late great George Carlin encapsulates the so-called, "Right To Life" Movement.

0boy. Drug-addicted alcoholic Carlin giving life advice. So screwed up, he had to enter rehab AGAIN at age 67. You're better off quoting a homeless guy living downtown over a grate.

 

[Hafar1014]

Hoisted on your own petard.

 

[Meriweather]

I am not an atheist.

Nor are you Christian, so don't speak for Christians. Major (meaning majority of Christians) denominations teach hell as separation from God. I believe it was ding who said in his life, he's only heard one homily about God. I, too, am retirement age, and in all my life there have been only three homilies that touched on hell--and never as a threat.

Ask yourself: As it seems most Christians don't spend much time thinking about hell, what is that way they are following? Why be Christian? For me, it is the best way I have learned/know to live this life and enjoy the blessings that God showers upon us. This life is my first meeting with God and His ways. God in not unknowable, he is in our midst, he is family. We are the Body of Christ--a concept you cannot even seem to imagine, let alone grasp. In fact, you don't even understand hell as the majority of Christians understand hell--so give it up. Leave it to those who understand it.

It seems your source of hell is AI? That's another difference between us. It can be removed from your search. You should have been able to tell me your source for your own comments on hell, but you had to depend on AI to answer in your stead.

 

[ding]

Hoisted on your own petard.

It is the Glory of Christianity to have Jews - who don't believe in God - lie about Christianity.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

I think it will only happen during the millennium. See Ezekiel 37. "The stick of Joseph will join with the stick of Judah, and the two will be one stick."

No Sir,.... Once One has combined All of the End Times Prophecies together,.... It will become easily apparent that the Reunification happens during the "Time of Jacob's Trouble"/ "The Tribulation".

 

[Woodznutz]

No Sir,.... Once One has combined All of the End Times Prophecies together,.... It will become easily apparent that the Reunification happens during the "Time of Jacob's Trouble"/ "The Tribulation".

The Jews were never 'united' with Christians in the first place. The great reunification is that of Judah and Israel, which will make "all Israel" whole.

 

[ding]

I am not an atheist.

Not only do I believe you are an atheist. I believe you are a militant one.