If everyone in the US had electric cars, 300 million cars in US currently, what would be the strain on the power grid?

[Missouri_Mike]

Tired talking point is tired. There is 180 BILLION tons of lithium in our oceans. No mining required.

LMAO! It just washes up on shore? Any child with a sand bucket can gather up some Lithium?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

It depends on the level of charging which is affected by voltage and charging rates, but worse case scenario is about 30-32 amps per car at split phase 220VAC, or about 9 BILLION Amps nationwide if everyone were charging at once!

That adds up to about a TRILLION watts (volt/amperes) load dissipation just from charging cars + then all the other regular demands added on top of that.

Clearly, we cannot afford to do that and there will have to be restrictions on time and amount + probable brownouts.

To meet this goal, we need to build several nuclear generating stations and they can take decades to construct.

As usual: democrats a day late and a dollar short.

Most leftists seem to think we have and endless supply of electricity. And somehow it’s going to be free.

 

[healthmyths]

LMAO! It just washes up on shore? Any child with a sand bucket can gather up some Lithium?

Lithium is roughly 0.2 parts per million

The world's oceans contain an estimated 180 billion tons of lithium.
500,000 gallons (2,273,000 litres) of water to mine one tonne of lithium.Jan 6, 2022

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220105-lithium-batteries-big-unanswered-question

So at 180 billion tons of lithium that would be equal to 180,000,000,000 X 500,000 gallons to get 1 ton or
90,000,000,000,000,000 (90 quadrillion) gallons of water to get 180 billion tons.
Let's see....The ocean contains 352 quintillion gallons of water!

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1,000,000,000,000,000,000 is 1 quintillion.
So it is conceivable that the ocean with 3,921 TIMES the amount of water could provide one ton of lithium.

 

[healthmyths]

It would the energy of all the fossil fuel and nuclear material on earth to extract a fraction of that lithium from the ocean.

Lithium, for instance, is not scarce, but the average electric vehicle battery requires around 10 kg of the metal.

Why Elon Musk wants Tesla to start mining lithium

Individual recruitments at big companies like Tesla don’t ordinarily attract outside attention. But when, in mid-April, an exploration geologist announced on LinkedIn that he’d left Rio Tinto to join Tesla, it sparked speculation. Why a geologist? Why Tesla? What kooky plans did Elon Musk have...

qz.com

So 1 metric ton equals 1,000 kg therefore 24,000 tons equals 2,400,000 EVs, so why are we dependent on China for 80% of lithium? China is by far the leader in the battery race with nearly 80% of global Li-ion manufacturing capacity. Mapped: EV Battery Manufacturing Capacity, by Region

The United States has a large, domestic source of lithium in geothermal fluids, especially at the Salton Sea region of southern California, where estimates of lithium pass-through at geothermal plants exceed 24,000 metric tons per year, based on 2019 geothermal plant operations. Lithium extraction from geothermal brines offers the potential to provide the United States with a secure, domestic supply of lithium to meet the increasing demands of electric vehicles, grid energy storage, portable electronics, and other end-use applications. Additionally, the use of direct extraction technologies allows for a more sustainable lithium supply relative to current evaporative brine and hardrock mining operations in terms of land use, water use, time to market with lithium products, and carbon intensity of operations.

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy21osti/79178.pdf

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Even without 300 million EVs, the electrical grid is failing in Texas.

We have had the first day under 100 for the last month, and the grid is just fine.

Quit listening to the bullshit.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Tired talking point is tired. There is 180 BILLION tons of lithium in our oceans. No mining required.

This must be the most naïve statement ever made on USMB.

Holy Yak Shit.

 

[Flash]

Lithium, for instance, is not scarce, but the average electric vehicle battery requires around 10 kg of the metal.

Why Elon Musk wants Tesla to start mining lithium

Individual recruitments at big companies like Tesla don’t ordinarily attract outside attention. But when, in mid-April, an exploration geologist announced on LinkedIn that he’d left Rio Tinto to join Tesla, it sparked speculation. Why a geologist? Why Tesla? What kooky plans did Elon Musk have...

qz.com

So 1 metric ton equals 1,000 kg therefore 24,000 tons equals 2,400,000 EVs, so why are we dependent on China for 80% of lithium? China is by far the leader in the battery race with nearly 80% of global Li-ion manufacturing capacity. Mapped: EV Battery Manufacturing Capacity, by Region

The United States has a large, domestic source of lithium in geothermal fluids, especially at the Salton Sea region of southern California, where estimates of lithium pass-through at geothermal plants exceed 24,000 metric tons per year, based on 2019 geothermal plant operations. Lithium extraction from geothermal brines offers the potential to provide the United States with a secure, domestic supply of lithium to meet the increasing demands of electric vehicles, grid energy storage, portable electronics, and other end-use applications. Additionally, the use of direct extraction technologies allows for a more sustainable lithium supply relative to current evaporative brine and hardrock mining operations in terms of land use, water use, time to market with lithium products, and carbon intensity of operations.

https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy21osti/79178.pdf

Extraction of Lithium from liquid requires significant energy. Reverse Osmosis is very energy intensive.

Then you get lithium, a piss poor battery component for high energy batteries.

 

[healthmyths]

Extraction of Lithium from liquid requires significant energy. Reverse Osmosis is very energy intensive.

Then you get lithium, a piss poor battery component for high energy batteries.

Facts not guesses...

This process would require only five dollars of electricity to extract 2.2 lbs (1 kg) of lithium from seawater.Jun 3, 2021

It's Official. We Can Now Harvest Usable Lithium From Seawater

Extracting concentrated lithium from seawater will only cost five dollars of electricity per kilogram! And the output material covers the cost.

interestingengineering.com

Please dispute.
Lithium batteries sell for .... again so easy to find info!!!

 

[mamooth]

so what's your solution for the price of gas?

The free market.

I know, that will trigger the Republicommies here hard.

 

[Synthaholic]

Again, lithium isn't the only solution for batteries.

Zinc
Sodium
Iron
Hemp
Aluminum
Magnesium
Silicon
Seawater

 

[bripat9643]

The free market.

I know, that will trigger the Republicommies here hard.

So when is Biden going to allow that?

 

[easyt65]

Someone show us the math how electric vehicles can be charged via the home.

Just show the power needed and how it will be produced and distributed.

West coast states are having rolling blackouts relying on solar, wind, and water now because those 3 can't provide the energy we need NOW.

 

[jc456]

Someone show us the math how electric vehicles can be charged via the home.

Just show the power needed and how it will be produced and distributed.

I heard equivalent to 25 furnaces per home and air conditioners. Not to say the extra sites per station site that exists today. Would take over 50 years or more to get half of that. Only a good demofk who hates life would threaten humans around the globe. remember, they want 7 billion gone.

 

[jc456]

We have had the first day under 100 for the last month, and the grid is just fine.

Quit listening to the bullshit.

not the info I received from the people I work with, rolling black outs have been occurring.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Why wont you lefties answer this?

YOU ADVOCATE FOR IT, SO EXPLAIN IT!

 

[Synthaholic]

Facts not guesses...

This process would require only five dollars of electricity to extract 2.2 lbs (1 kg) of lithium from seawater.Jun 3, 2021

It's Official. We Can Now Harvest Usable Lithium From Seawater

Extracting concentrated lithium from seawater will only cost five dollars of electricity per kilogram! And the output material covers the cost.

interestingengineering.com

Please dispute.
Lithium batteries sell for .... again so easy to find info!!!
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Thank you for joining the very long list of posters exposing Bootney Lee Farnsworth ignorance.

 

[Synthaholic]

Estimates show that 90 percent of Japanese households use heat pumps to heat and cool homes, contributing to a 40 percent drop in the country’s electricity consumption over the past decade. In Italy, the government effectively pays citizens to use the technology; homeowners can get 110 percent of their heat pump cost reimbursed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/07/21/europe-heat-wave-heat-pump/

So much for the OP's gotcha attempt.

 

[bripat9643]

Estimates show that 90 percent of Japanese households use heat pumps to heat and cool homes, contributing to a 40 percent drop in the country’s electricity consumption over the past decade. In Italy, the government effectively pays citizens to use the technology; homeowners can get 110 percent of their heat pump cost reimbursed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/07/21/europe-heat-wave-heat-pump/

So much for the OP's gotcha attempt.

How does that contradict anything in the OP, moron?

 

[22lcidw]

Advanced Nuclear Reactors, much more Natural Gas and Hydro Electric agendas must be pursued. A reasonable freshwater plan must be instituted with new reservoirs and pipelines to transport water to areas needing it. The electric grid must be hardened from any nuclear attacks or from energy expelled from the sun. After we secure a reasonable amount of safety, we can invest in the electrical green ways if that is our future.

 

[Theowl32]

Someone show us the math how electric vehicles can be charged via the home.

Just show the power needed and how it will be produced and distributed.

Couldn't handle it period. Hence the reason (one of vast reasons) the left want mass genocide on a level the world has never seen.

Every time the left parade how overpopulated the world is and learn it in their schools and entertainment and media, that is what they are calling for.

We realize this, right?