You got it.
You cant discriminate because of someone's religion nor can you force someone to do something that goes against their sincerely held religious belief.
How is that equal treatment under the law?
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You got it.
You cant discriminate because of someone's religion nor can you force someone to do something that goes against their sincerely held religious belief.
It's not. But that is the apparent legal status quo.You got it.
You cant discriminate because of someone's religion nor can you force someone to do something that goes against their sincerely held religious belief.
How is that equal treatment under the law?
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Equal treatment = equal application the law. Not equal outcomes.
Perhaps you missed the news: Democrats now claim that it's okay for a restaurant owner to refuse to serve anyone whose politics they don't like. So, Christian businesses now merely need to say that they are refusing to serve gays because they don't like their politics.
It's not equal application of the law when the baker gets to discriminate based on sexual orientation (which is included in the law) but the gay shop owner cannot discriminate based on the religious beliefs of the customers.
That is different application of the law resulting in not equal outcomes, not equal application of the law resulting in different outcomes.
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Equal treatment = equal application the law. Not equal outcomes.
Equal treatment = equal application the law. Not equal outcomes.
No one said anything about outcomes. You're confusing issues. If religious people have the right to discriminate based on their "sincerely held beliefs" then so should non-religious people. Anything else is not equal rights. It's special privilege for religions. Which, again, is a direct violation of the First Amendment.
Refusing to serve based on politics is a business decision not a legal one.
Not necessarily. For instance, the cafe that turned away Trump's people did so because of their deeply held convictions that Trump's folks do horrible things to,say, kids at the border.
I know. It is a sincerely held secular belief. But one held on dubious grounds. Much like hearsay.Not necessarily. For instance, the cafe that turned away Trump's people did so because of their deeply held convictions that Trump's folks do horrible things to,say, kids at the border.
That is not a sincerely held religious belief.
I know. It is a sincerely held secular belief. But one held on dubious grounds. Much like hearsay.Not necessarily. For instance, the cafe that turned away Trump's people did so because of their deeply held convictions that Trump's folks do horrible things to,say, kids at the border.
That is not a sincerely held religious belief.
Refusal to promote uber-documented and intrinsic to LGBT kid sex shows (pride parades) they all embrace is also a secular belief. And law in all 50 states. Even secular folks can't be forced to promote lifestyles they find wholly repugnant and/or are illegal to promote. What are there, millions of photos since the 1960s documenting the for-kids and whoever deviant sex parades? There may even be billions of photos by now.
Equal treatment = equal application the law. Not equal outcomes.
No one said anything about outcomes. You're confusing issues. If religious people have the right to discriminate based on their "sincerely held beliefs" then so should non-religious people. Anything else is not equal rights. It's special privilege for religions. Which, again, is a direct violation of the First Amendment.
Non-religious people do not have sincerely held religious beliefs
If they do they are protected = equal application of the law
Dont force acceptance of your sexual lifestyle on others and everything will be fine.
You're treading into dangerous waters there pal. Imagine the chaos. Anyone can discriminate against anyone for any reason, including the fact that they may have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed that day? We should not be encouraging or enabling discrimination.Dont force acceptance of your sexual lifestyle on others and everything will be fine.
Agreed. Likewise with religion. The whole idea of protected classes is bunk. If some wants to hang a 'No Christians' sign outside their business, it should be their right. That's the point of the thread.