If Bruce Jenner had transitioned to Caitlyn just prior to the 1976 Olympics, would it have been fair for him to enter every female event?

[westwall]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

 

[BlindBoo]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

And HE would still be a MALE biologically speaking----------

I am awful at atletics but if I claim that I feel that I am handicapped for the special olympics---I MIGHT be able to win a medal or atleast place in something.........somewhere. LOL

The Olympics started testing for Y in 1968 to keep men from pretending to be women,

I have no Idea if hormone therapy works well enough or not. Nor am I likely to find out.

 

[BlindBoo]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

 

[Winco]

Yes.

**** women's sports.

Let fucked up "men" destroy them forever!!!

Totally what I expected from the largest bigot on this board.

Do you believe you could beat a woman at any sport or do you believe that you just should be allowed to beat women?

******* loser

 

[westwall]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

 

[BlindBoo]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

If you say so doc.

 

[ColonelAngus]

XX males and XY females are rare as shit.

An XX female who wants to be male never has her XX chromosomes change. Its all bullshit.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Our president said it best:
“Women can do just as good as men, if not better”

what does it matter if young Caitlin competed against men or women?

What a pelosi you are.

 

[Rigby5]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

Future testosterone blockers do not reduce the size and type of muscle you already have from decades of excess testosterone.

 

[westwall]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

If you say so doc.

SCIENCE says that. And from long ago. Long before the science was politicized.

 

[BlindBoo]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

Future testosterone blockers do not reduce the size and type of muscle you already have from decades of excess testosterone.

And you know this because.......

 

[Taz]

Bruce won the Gold Medal in the Decathon for men.

What if Caitlyn qualified for every single female event and won every gold medal for every event?

Fair?

Women's olympics are for rug munchers (lesbians).

 

[BlindBoo]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

If you say so doc.

SCIENCE says that. And from long ago. Long before the science was politicized.

Feminizing hormone therapy - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

Feminizing hormone therapy will begin producing changes in your body within weeks to months. Your timeline might look as follows:

• Decreased libido. This will begin one to three months after starting treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased spontaneous erections. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three to six months.
• Slowing of scalp hair loss. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Softer, less oily skin. This will begin three to six months after treatment.
• Testicular atrophy. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Breast development. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Redistribution of body fat. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to five years.
• Decreased muscle mass. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased facial and body hair growth. This will begin six to 12 months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three years.

 

[westwall]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

Future testosterone blockers do not reduce the size and type of muscle you already have from decades of excess testosterone.

And you know this because.......

Because it is well known scientific fact.

 

[westwall]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

If you say so doc.

SCIENCE says that. And from long ago. Long before the science was politicized.

Feminizing hormone therapy - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

Feminizing hormone therapy will begin producing changes in your body within weeks to months. Your timeline might look as follows:

• Decreased libido. This will begin one to three months after starting treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased spontaneous erections. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three to six months.
• Slowing of scalp hair loss. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Softer, less oily skin. This will begin three to six months after treatment.
• Testicular atrophy. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Breast development. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Redistribution of body fat. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to five years.
• Decreased muscle mass. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased facial and body hair growth. This will begin six to 12 months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three years.

So you are claiming that the hormones will remove calcium from your bones. Is that what you are claiming? It will change your muscle density by removing the long twitch fibres, is that what you are claiming? Or how about the storage and processing of the O2 that being male gives you, suddenly you are going to lose that?

Don't be stupid. All the hormone therapy does is halt it where it is. It doesn't remove what already is there.

 

[BlindBoo]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

If you say so doc.

SCIENCE says that. And from long ago. Long before the science was politicized.

Feminizing hormone therapy - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

Feminizing hormone therapy will begin producing changes in your body within weeks to months. Your timeline might look as follows:

• Decreased libido. This will begin one to three months after starting treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased spontaneous erections. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three to six months.
• Slowing of scalp hair loss. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Softer, less oily skin. This will begin three to six months after treatment.
• Testicular atrophy. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Breast development. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Redistribution of body fat. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to five years.
• Decreased muscle mass. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased facial and body hair growth. This will begin six to 12 months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three years.

So you are claiming that the hormones will remove calcium from your bones. Is that what you are claiming? It will change your muscle density by removing the long twitch fibres, is that what you are claiming? Or how about the storage and processing of the O2 that being male gives you, suddenly you are going to lose that?

Don't be stupid. All the hormone therapy does is halt it where it is. It doesn't remove what already is there.

I posted what I found from Mayo Clinic.

 

[westwall]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

If you say so doc.

SCIENCE says that. And from long ago. Long before the science was politicized.

Feminizing hormone therapy - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

Feminizing hormone therapy will begin producing changes in your body within weeks to months. Your timeline might look as follows:

• Decreased libido. This will begin one to three months after starting treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased spontaneous erections. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three to six months.
• Slowing of scalp hair loss. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Softer, less oily skin. This will begin three to six months after treatment.
• Testicular atrophy. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Breast development. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Redistribution of body fat. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to five years.
• Decreased muscle mass. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased facial and body hair growth. This will begin six to 12 months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three years.

So you are claiming that the hormones will remove calcium from your bones. Is that what you are claiming? It will change your muscle density by removing the long twitch fibres, is that what you are claiming? Or how about the storage and processing of the O2 that being male gives you, suddenly you are going to lose that?

Don't be stupid. All the hormone therapy does is halt it where it is. It doesn't remove what already is there.

I posted what I found from Mayo Clinic.

Which didn't address the underlying problem that once created, the body doesn't just disappear. Now does it.

 

[BlindBoo]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

If you say so doc.

SCIENCE says that. And from long ago. Long before the science was politicized.

Feminizing hormone therapy - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

Feminizing hormone therapy will begin producing changes in your body within weeks to months. Your timeline might look as follows:

• Decreased libido. This will begin one to three months after starting treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased spontaneous erections. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three to six months.
• Slowing of scalp hair loss. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Softer, less oily skin. This will begin three to six months after treatment.
• Testicular atrophy. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Breast development. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Redistribution of body fat. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to five years.
• Decreased muscle mass. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased facial and body hair growth. This will begin six to 12 months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three years.

So you are claiming that the hormones will remove calcium from your bones. Is that what you are claiming? It will change your muscle density by removing the long twitch fibres, is that what you are claiming? Or how about the storage and processing of the O2 that being male gives you, suddenly you are going to lose that?

Don't be stupid. All the hormone therapy does is halt it where it is. It doesn't remove what already is there.

I posted what I found from Mayo Clinic.

Which didn't address the underlying problem that once created, the body doesn't just disappear. Now does it.

You have made that suggestion based on what? A decrease in muscle mass should decrease weight and strength.

Growing titties can't make you stronger imo!

 

[Rigby5]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

Future testosterone blockers do not reduce the size and type of muscle you already have from decades of excess testosterone.

And you know this because.......

Because you can not undo past decades of growth.
If a person took illegal steroids for decades and stopped a couple of weeks before testing, would that be fair?

 

[Rigby5]

I doubt it. It takes a year of hormone therapy to feminized a male, and they tested athletics for the y chromosome.

Making a male into a female can never happen. Just because you hit them with female hormones doesn't matter (unless you began at birth) the male biology is far more athletic and no amount of hormone therapy can change that.

Its called SCIENCE.

I'm not a doctor but the therapy also include testosterone blockers and that will reduce your size and strength. Is it enough and can the system be cheated are my two concerns. I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships.

And that doesn't matter. The bone density increase alone as a child sets a male up far better than a female. Like I said, to have any meaningful impact the hormone therapy would have to be begun at birth, and carry on throughout the life of the child. And even then, there would still be physical advantages for the hybrid child. Mainly the ability to store and process O2 more efficiently.

If you say so doc.

SCIENCE says that. And from long ago. Long before the science was politicized.

Feminizing hormone therapy - Mayo Clinic

www.mayoclinic.org

Feminizing hormone therapy will begin producing changes in your body within weeks to months. Your timeline might look as follows:

• Decreased libido. This will begin one to three months after starting treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased spontaneous erections. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three to six months.
• Slowing of scalp hair loss. This will begin one to three months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Softer, less oily skin. This will begin three to six months after treatment.
• Testicular atrophy. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Breast development. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to three years.
• Redistribution of body fat. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within two to five years.
• Decreased muscle mass. This will begin three to six months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within one to two years.
• Decreased facial and body hair growth. This will begin six to 12 months after treatment. The maximum effect will occur within three years.

But you are wrong with sports because you are forgetting that if the person is also an athlete, then their body will still be maximizing steroid production, and the feminizing hormone treatment will be much effective than if one was not an athlete.
No hormone is going to change the type of muscle, the bone structure, the lung capacity, etc.
What is done over decades, while young, can not ever be undone.