If a mother killing her own unborn child isn't wrong, then really, is anything wrong?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Certain issues, like abortion, represent a clear-cut moral issue.

If politicians and judges get it wrong, it is up to us, the American people to make them understand.

We haven't faced a crisis like this since the days of legalized slavery.

There will always be those who will excuse evil in the name of expedience.

Better run off and check the iron age handbook of mythology.....

 

[ding]

It's wrong. That's why they feel bad after doing it.

 

[initforme]

Certain issues, like abortion, represent a clear-cut moral issue.

If politicians and judges get it wrong, it is up to us, the American people to make them understand.

We haven't faced a crisis like this since the days of legalized slavery.

There will always be those who will excuse evil in the name of expedience.

This debate is going to go on forever. It's now in the hands of the voters. The only positives are that less and less young people are having kids. Part of the reason is they don't like abortions and are taking steps to avoid ever conceiving kids. So the public debate is causing them to think about it. It's only going to go away on its own. We should NOT expect people to work endlessly AND have kids.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

This debate is going to go on forever.

The debate is over in Ohio. And it will very likely be over come November in Florida and Arizona,

The Southern half of Ohio plus Arizona and Florida have belonged to the anti-feminism Republican white people’s Christian Party Confederacy for the past fifty years.

The Republican Party’s electoral college strength runs through Texas Ohio and Florida.

Losing two of those three states due to Republican Party affiliations with the Saving Baby Fetus Cult, and Trump’s stacked Catholics on the corrupt right wing Supreme Court, and White Christian Nationalism gone berserk spells doom and gloom and death for the Republican Party Confederacy except for a handful of deeply white Christian nationalist ruralistic states that will cling to their guns and Bibles for a bit longer.

We can thank Donald J Trump for aborting the Nixonian Southern Strategy and Reagonomics for once and for all allowing America’s Civil Religion return progress ti the American dream with liberty and justice for all as equals.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

It's wrong. That's why they feel bad after doing it.

Saint Ding will never let go of the white evangelical Christian and right wing Catholic nationalist propaganda of the Saving Baby Fetus Cult for shaming women to save Catholic Civilized Order in the enture shameful un-rightwing-Catholc world. He is divinely inspired and thus cannot be talked out of it by anyone associated with reality.

 

[ding]

Meh... Ought to be a misdemeanor at least. It's wrong and everybody knows it.

 

[Dadoalex]

Certain issues, like abortion, represent a clear-cut moral issue.

If politicians and judges get it wrong, it is up to us, the American people to make them understand.

We haven't faced a crisis like this since the days of legalized slavery.

There will always be those who will excuse evil in the name of expedience.

There's no such thing as an "unborn child."
There are embryos and fetus but to be a "child" one must first be "born."

You might as well ask if it is moral to kill Klingons or Orcs.

 

[Libby von H]

Certain issues, like abortion, represent a clear-cut moral issue.

If politicians and judges get it wrong, it is up to us, the American people to make them understand.

We haven't faced a crisis like this since the days of legalized slavery.

There will always be those who will excuse evil in the name of expedience.

The connection is STUNNING

Slavery, Abortion, and the Politics of Constitutional Meaning​

by Justin Buckley Dyer

 

[Dadoalex]

You're comparing an unborn baby to an attacker?

There's no such thing as an "unborn baby"
If it is not yet born, it is a fetus.

You're arguing the morality of "killing" imaginary creatures like Orcs and Trolls.

 

[Dadoalex]

Child prostitution should be legal in some states but not others? Is that what you're saying?

"child prostitution" is real unlike "unborn babies."

 

[whutTHEYsay]

STUNNING

Slavery, Abortion, and the Politics of Constitutional Meaning

In Slavery, Abortion, and the Politics of Constitutional Meaning Justin Buckley Dyer explores the analogy of abortion and slavery from historical, politica

academic.oup.com

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In Slavery, Abortion, and the Politics of Constitutional Meaning Justin Buckley Dyer explores the analogy of abortion and slavery from historical, political, and philosophical perspectives. In the 1857 Dred Scott v. Sandforddecision the Supreme Court elevated the property interests of slave owners above all other rights, including the human rights of slaves. In Roe v. Wade (1973), Dyer argues, the Court similarly elevated a woman's right to choose an abortion above all other rights, including the rights of the fetus. Scott v. Sandford has long been invoked by prolife activists as a call to arms against abortion rights. Dyer agrees that it is appropriate for prolife activists to claim the legacy of the antislavery movement in their battle against legalized abortion.​

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The Fourteenth Amendment overruled Scott v. Sandford and established rights for the newly freed slaves that were enforceable against the states. That amendment's broad language has proven to be a vehicle for identifying other fundamental rights, including abortion rights. Dyer effectively describes the history and constitutional politics of the Supreme Court's substantive due process rulings, and the historical parallels between the antislavery and prolife movements.​

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In the Roe v. Wade decision Justice Harry Blackmun claimed that there is no consensus on when life begins, and he maintained that there was no widespread condemnation of abortion in this country until the late nineteenth century. Dyer examines the legal strategy of the case's attorneys and accuses them of engaging in “law office history.” He argues that nineteenth-century antiabortion laws were aimed at protecting the life of the fetus and not at restricting women's rights. However, Dyer fails to acknowledge the significance of the many restrictions on women's rights that did exist in the nineteenth century, including the lack of reproductive rights for the slaves who were to benefit from the Fourteenth Amendment.​

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Dyer also explores the history of abortion politics in the twentieth century. Legal historians such as Reva Siegel have written extensively about the role of the women's movement and its claims of liberty and equality in convincing the Court to find for a fundamental right to choose contraception and abortion. However, Dyer does not engage that history in his discussion of abortion politics.​

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In the last two chapters, Dyer turns to the underlying philosophical debate about abortion, exploring the analogy of slavery and abortion. He argues that there is no principled reason for treating a fetus as a nonperson, lacking the protection of law. In the slavery-abortion analogy, pregnant women are to the aborted fetus as slaveholders are to slaves. Nonetheless, Dyer fails to address the arguments of those who have stressed women's interests of equality and liberty in his otherwise detailed analysis of the numerous scholars and ethicists on both sides of the abortion debate.​

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Fundamentally, Dyer argues, the question is “who counts as a member of our political and moral community” (p. 157). His book may leave readers wondering about the extent to which women count as part of the slavery analogy in prolife politics.​

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© The Author 2014. Published by Oxford University Press on behalf of the Organization of American Historians. All rights reserved. For permissions, please e-mail: journals.permissions@oup.com.​

Race related chattel slaves were never existed ibsude a white make slave holder’s body.

Dyer argues, the Court similarly elevated a woman's right to choose an abortion above all other rights, including the rights of the fetus.​

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Analogy? WTF kind of reasoning is this?

 

[Libby von H]

Let's take this thought-experiment to it's logical conclusion OP.

Why isn't the woman punished for murder?

Are you OK w/the lack of punishment?

Itis taking an innocent life but there is in most cases compulson or coercion. Anyway, I don't want punishment, I want the baby to live.

We are experience the cusp of horrible coming effects from this demographic decline. The Blacks appear to be waking up.You can complain only so much about regressing and beinng overtaken by other minorites UNTIL YOU SEE WHY

 

[Libby von H]

"child prostitution" is real unlike "unborn babies."

Child prostitution is LARGELY BECAUSE of killing female babies !!!!!!!!!!!!!


It has been obvious in China for many years
The scarcity of women has produced a gender imbalance and an increase in prostitution and human trafficking in China. Trafficking in China has many forms: the purchase of women for brides, the abduction and/or purchase of a male son, or the sale of unwanted female children.

 

[HeyNorm]

Certain issues, like abortion, represent a clear-cut moral issue.

If politicians and judges get it wrong, it is up to us, the American people to make them understand.

We haven't faced a crisis like this since the days of legalized slavery.

There will always be those who will excuse evil in the name of expedience.

This issue needs to get real.

If aborting the fetus is considered a way to control birth, then only the person with that right should be responsible if they do not exercise that right.

If the left want the government out of a woman’s reproductive rights, then the government should not have the ability to compel child support.

It gets real at that point.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Justin Buckley Dyer

Slavery, Abortion, and the Politics of Constitutional Meaning

In Slavery, Abortion, and the Politics of Constitutional Meaning Justin Buckley Dyer explores the analogy of abortion and slavery from historical, politica

academic.oup.com

He {Dyer} argues that there is no principled reason for treating a fetus as a nonperson, lacking the protection of law. In the slavery-abortion analogy, pregnant women are to the aborted fetus as slaveholders are to slaves. Nonetheless, Dyer fails to address the arguments of those who have stressed women's interests of equality and liberty in his otherwise detailed analysis of the numerous scholars and ethicists on both sides of the abortion debate.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

If aborting the fetus is considered a way to control birth

Freedom to terminate one’s own pregnancy is a way for the pregnant woman to express individual freedom in the pursuit of happiness and her material well being by requesting a safe medical procedure in private.

That freedom does not relieve the sperm donating population of their financial responsibility to support a child if they knock a woman up whatever the circumstances and the woman decides to give birth.

 

[HeyNorm]

Freedom to terminate one’s own pregnancy is a way for the pregnant woman to express individual freedom in the pursuit of happiness and her material well being by requesting a safe medical procedure in private.

That freedom does not relieve the sperm donating population of their financial responsibility to support a child if they knock a woman up whatever the circumstances and the woman decides to give birth.

Not yet it doesn’t, although it should if the spern donating population, which, by the way are always men, would be treated equitably in the courts.

Women want this absolute right, then accept the absolute responsibility.

Equality!

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Women want this absolute right,

When a dude knocks, a woman up he is responsible for whichever decision
the woman makes with regard to keeping or terminating a pregnancy.

 

[HeyNorm]

When a dude knocks, a woman up he is responsible for whichever decision
the woman makes with regard to keeping or terminating a pregnancy.

Not if she does not exercise her right. Then it’s all on her. Her decision, he has no say in it.

And, by the way, many, many men have been forced to support children who were not theirs simply because a woman conned them into believing they were, and these poor saps signed a birth certificate. A few even spent time in jail for non support even though they were not the biological father.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Certain issues, like abortion, represent a clear-cut moral issue.

If politicians and judges get it wrong, it is up to us, the American people to make them understand.

We haven't faced a crisis like this since the days of legalized slavery.

There will always be those who will excuse evil in the name of expedience.

Abortion is a touchy subject. Not because of women's rights or religion, but because of the ramifications of the survival of America. The idiot reps think they will save America with a 50-state abortion ban and lowering taxes for the rich.

Personally I believe you should be encouraging dems to abort ALL their babies...to save the planet. When you ban abortion, all you are doing is bringing a majority of more little dems into the world that will grow up to destroy America. Abort those filthy little dems before they can even take their first breath. Suck those little commie fetuses out of those skanky dem vag's with a Shopvac and throw them into the closest trash can. And I'm all for adult dems aborting themselves as well...we must save the planet!

Now the flip side of the coin is this...

If states ban abortion, the blue hairs will move to states that are abortion friendly. This offers hope to make the red states redder. While this theory has some truth to it; the reality has been very different from the hopium. What has happened in the past is; the blue hairs rally and get abortion freedom passed in a state election and enshrined in the state's constitution. And the idiot reps now find that abortion is much worse in their state than what it was under Roe Vs. Wade.

The filthy dem women claim the gov wants to control their vag. That is wrong. The gov does not want to control their vag any more than the gov wants to control my hands or that pile of scrap metal sitting in the corner.

But, if I use my hands to build an unlicensed machine gun out of that scrap metal, then the gov steps in. Same with a woman's vag. If a woman chooses to create life with her vag and then wants to murder a life...then the gov steps in.

At least that is how a god nutters may view it. For me...I say SHOPVAC! Fuck the commie dems...fuck them with a splintery broomstick!