If a man can marry a man

Exactly. Like all contracts, marriage requires legally qualified consent. Minors and certain persons are not viewed as being sufficiently capable of providing consent.
Quick question…..what do you mean by “persons are not viewed as being sufficiently capable”

Because a whole hell of a lot of doctors say trans people are mentally unstable ergo not sufficiently capable to consent to marriage, same goes for plenty of qualified and top doctors say homosexuals are also mentally unstable. So once again thanks for seeing the light
 
Quick question…..what do you mean by “persons are not viewed as being sufficiently capable”

Because a whole hell of a lot of doctors say trans people are mentally unstable ergo not sufficiently capable to consent to marriage, same goes for plenty of qualified and top doctors say homosexuals are also mentally unstable. So once again thanks for seeing the light
Yer broad-brush is running out of bigotry.
 
If we can stop close relatives from marrying each other, then we can stop two men from marrying each other.

It's about whether we have the political will.

We can stop all people from marrying. Of course it's about political will.

That's not the point. Some people are smart enough to see that gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. That everyone has equality of rights and equality of government hand outs.
 
We can stop all people from marrying. Of course it's about political will.

That's not the point. Some people are smart enough to see that gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. That everyone has equality of rights and equality of government hand outs.
But I don't think we always base everything on, "does this hurt anybody?"

For example, there used to these public decency laws, I don't know if they still have them or not, where people were forbidden from defecating in public. Pooping in public didn't hurt anyone but was still outlawed.
 
We can stop all people from marrying. Of course it's about political will.

That's not the point. Some people are smart enough to see that gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone. That everyone has equality of rights and equality of government hand outs.
The problem is that marriage is a religious construct and by strict interpretation, all religions look down on homosexuality. Therefore homosexuals should opt for the civil union as it is a legal construct that provides certain rights as to the wishes of the partner as next of kin and tax advantages. I can think of no religion that professes homosexuality.
 
The problem is that marriage is a religious construct and by strict interpretation, all religions look down on homosexuality. Therefore homosexuals should opt for the civil union as it is a legal construct that provides certain rights as to the wishes of the partner as next of kin and tax advantages. I can think of no religion that professes homosexuality.
But gays aren't satisfied with civil union. They insist on marriage, which by definition is a union between a man and a woman.
 
But I don't think we always base everything on, "does this hurt anybody?"

For example, there used to these public decency laws, I don't know if they still have them or not, where people were forbidden from defecating in public. Pooping in public didn't hurt anyone but was still outlawed.

Well, laws that prohibit people from getting naked, are quite conservative. Pooping in public is a cleanliness issue. Poop isn't safe. Even dog shit isn't good, so there are places that fine people who don't pick up their dog's shit.

However, when you get married you are entitled to certain benefits. Therefore ALL ADULTS have to be able to get those benefits, so you have to open marriage up.

Also, the main argument for banning gay marriage is "it's a religious thing".

Then have religious marriage and have civil marriage. The religious can go off, get married in a church, mosque etc, and it doesn't give them any benefits. Then they can go get the civil marriage which everyone can get. Which is basically how it works now anyway.
 
But gays aren't satisfied with civil union. They insist on marriage, which by definition is a union between a man and a woman.
A better question is, why is the secular state interested in marriage unions at all?

Why give them special perks for being married that other people don't have and not offered?

Makes zero sense.

Honestly, does anyone care with Trump or Pelosi believe about marriage?
 
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