Carter was lying manipulative a-hole. He created the fake oil crisis.....as soon as Reagan got in, Reagan calling the sauds lie about oil extinct bullshit, the gas lines went away permanently.
"As far as nuclear goes, seems to me the primary opposition is waste disposal and the accident risk, personally I don't object to nuclear at all (I'm a proponent of development) but the most common resistance I've seen are those two points, which do need to be addressed before moving forward with the expansion of nuclear based generation capacity. Nuclear does produce a lot of power volume however as I've said it's not as efficient as wind and it does carry with it negative externalities (fuel acquisition, fuel waste and cooling water waste), enormous potential negative externalities (accidents) along with being capital intensive."
I didn't have to work hard at all. Your flaming insults just begged for a suitable response, it was like a force took over my fingers and automatically typed it out.No problem, I wish I could say I though of it, or even remember who I heard it from.“You will always find failure in can’t”Success is found in a can.
"More specifically, they figure that wind turbines average just 11 grams of CO2 emission per kilowatthour of electricity generated. That compares with 44 g/kwh for solar, 450 g for natural gas, and a whopping 1,000 g for coal.
But beating them all is the original large-scale zero-carbon power source, nuclear power, at 9 g/kwh.
Thanks to technology, these stats aren’t static. Offshore wind turbines are becoming enormous, with General Electric’s GE -2.9% Haliade X featuring blades 360 feet long and generating 14 megawatts. The carbon footprint of such monsters could get as low as 6 g/kwh. "
How Green Is Wind Power, Really? A New Report Tallies Up The Carbon Cost Of Renewables
Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.www.forbes.com
I wasn't talking about the cost of operating the windmill after it's built, I was talking about the carbon footprint of building it.
You didn't know it takes carbon to build a windmill? Seriously?
And I said "during the manufacturing process," moron. READ what you are responding to
You didn't think to READ the link where those figures came from, here you go:
"Of course the wind blows without carbon emissions, but catching it isn’t easy. Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.
All of it has a carbon footprint. Making steel requires the combustion of metallurgical coal in blast furnaces. Mining metals and rare earths is energy intensive. And the manufacture of concrete emits lots of carbon dioxide.
In the case of wind and solar power, those emissions are nearly all front-loaded. That contrasts with fossil-fueled electric power plants, where emissions occur continuouisly as coal and natural gas are combusted."
But then again you hardly ever provide links to the numbers you throw out there.
Windmills generate tiny energy compared to natural gas and nuclear. It doesn't take one windmill to replace a power plant, it takes thousands of them. They can't do it, it's not feasible. You're just playing games on the fringes, not solving anything
Cool. That's normally where you can be found, leaning over one
Nope, dope. Because you will always find failure in can't!
Nice turn of phrase Boo, I think I’ll steal that one and use it the next time one my junior engineers claim …”but that’s just CAN’T be done!”.
I would have been more impressed if you hadn't worked so hard to take what I said out of context to force it in for the joke
I remembered it a was a slogan from Houston's Can Academy.
Democrats have been calling us all racists for at least 40 years, that's as long as I remember. Not sure when it started before that. I've had it, I'm giving it back until you stop. God, a Democrat whining about insults. You're priceless
"What I asked was if you have factored in those specific positive externalities into your "10 year equation", killing birds isn't pollution nor does it correlate to a cost burden on society (i.e. no links to illness, property degradation, etc..,), but hey, if you want to factor that negative externality into your equation, that's great since the objective is to arrive at the most accurate cost picture possible."
"Awesome, I've done some IT work for the Energy Sector myself nothing that would afford me any claim to expertise in energy production or grid design but enough to have given me an intense interest in learning more about it."
You are like a guy in the KKK who goes to the meetings and puts on your white hood and goes to lynchings and cross burnings. Then you say, but it wasn't me!I didn't have to work hard at all. Your flaming insults just begged for a suitable response, it was like a force took over my fingers and automatically typed it out.No problem, I wish I could say I though of it, or even remember who I heard it from.“You will always find failure in can’t”Success is found in a can.
"More specifically, they figure that wind turbines average just 11 grams of CO2 emission per kilowatthour of electricity generated. That compares with 44 g/kwh for solar, 450 g for natural gas, and a whopping 1,000 g for coal.
But beating them all is the original large-scale zero-carbon power source, nuclear power, at 9 g/kwh.
Thanks to technology, these stats aren’t static. Offshore wind turbines are becoming enormous, with General Electric’s GE -2.9% Haliade X featuring blades 360 feet long and generating 14 megawatts. The carbon footprint of such monsters could get as low as 6 g/kwh. "
How Green Is Wind Power, Really? A New Report Tallies Up The Carbon Cost Of Renewables
Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.
I wasn't talking about the cost of operating the windmill after it's built, I was talking about the carbon footprint of building it.
You didn't know it takes carbon to build a windmill? Seriously?
And I said "during the manufacturing process," moron. READ what you are responding to
You didn't think to READ the link where those figures came from, here you go:
"Of course the wind blows without carbon emissions, but catching it isn’t easy. Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.
All of it has a carbon footprint. Making steel requires the combustion of metallurgical coal in blast furnaces. Mining metals and rare earths is energy intensive. And the manufacture of concrete emits lots of carbon dioxide.
In the case of wind and solar power, those emissions are nearly all front-loaded. That contrasts with fossil-fueled electric power plants, where emissions occur continuouisly as coal and natural gas are combusted."
But then again you hardly ever provide links to the numbers you throw out there.
Windmills generate tiny energy compared to natural gas and nuclear. It doesn't take one windmill to replace a power plant, it takes thousands of them. They can't do it, it's not feasible. You're just playing games on the fringes, not solving anything
Cool. That's normally where you can be found, leaning over one
Nope, dope. Because you will always find failure in can't!
Nice turn of phrase Boo, I think I’ll steal that one and use it the next time one my junior engineers claim …”but that’s just CAN’T be done!”.
I would have been more impressed if you hadn't worked so hard to take what I said out of context to force it in for the joke
I remembered it a was a slogan from Houston's Can Academy.
Democrats have been calling us all racists for at least 40 years, that's as long as I remember. Not sure when it started before that. I've had it, I'm giving it back until you stop. God, a Democrat whining about insults. You're priceless
Granted it was an insult trap that I was pretty sure an astute guy like you would easily trigger.
Of course we can build enough windmills. We've sent men to the moon.
www.brookings.edu
You just can't help yourself can you?You are like a guy in the KKK who goes to the meetings and puts on your white hood and goes to lynchings and cross burnings. Then you say, but it wasn't me!I didn't have to work hard at all. Your flaming insults just begged for a suitable response, it was like a force took over my fingers and automatically typed it out.No problem, I wish I could say I though of it, or even remember who I heard it from.“You will always find failure in can’t”Success is found in a can.
"More specifically, they figure that wind turbines average just 11 grams of CO2 emission per kilowatthour of electricity generated. That compares with 44 g/kwh for solar, 450 g for natural gas, and a whopping 1,000 g for coal.
But beating them all is the original large-scale zero-carbon power source, nuclear power, at 9 g/kwh.
Thanks to technology, these stats aren’t static. Offshore wind turbines are becoming enormous, with General Electric’s GE -2.9% Haliade X featuring blades 360 feet long and generating 14 megawatts. The carbon footprint of such monsters could get as low as 6 g/kwh. "
How Green Is Wind Power, Really? A New Report Tallies Up The Carbon Cost Of Renewables
Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.
I wasn't talking about the cost of operating the windmill after it's built, I was talking about the carbon footprint of building it.
You didn't know it takes carbon to build a windmill? Seriously?
And I said "during the manufacturing process," moron. READ what you are responding to
You didn't think to READ the link where those figures came from, here you go:
"Of course the wind blows without carbon emissions, but catching it isn’t easy. Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.
All of it has a carbon footprint. Making steel requires the combustion of metallurgical coal in blast furnaces. Mining metals and rare earths is energy intensive. And the manufacture of concrete emits lots of carbon dioxide.
In the case of wind and solar power, those emissions are nearly all front-loaded. That contrasts with fossil-fueled electric power plants, where emissions occur continuouisly as coal and natural gas are combusted."
But then again you hardly ever provide links to the numbers you throw out there.
Windmills generate tiny energy compared to natural gas and nuclear. It doesn't take one windmill to replace a power plant, it takes thousands of them. They can't do it, it's not feasible. You're just playing games on the fringes, not solving anything
Cool. That's normally where you can be found, leaning over one
Nope, dope. Because you will always find failure in can't!
Nice turn of phrase Boo, I think I’ll steal that one and use it the next time one my junior engineers claim …”but that’s just CAN’T be done!”.
I would have been more impressed if you hadn't worked so hard to take what I said out of context to force it in for the joke
I remembered it a was a slogan from Houston's Can Academy.
Democrats have been calling us all racists for at least 40 years, that's as long as I remember. Not sure when it started before that. I've had it, I'm giving it back until you stop. God, a Democrat whining about insults. You're priceless
Granted it was an insult trap that I was pretty sure an astute guy like you would easily trigger.
Of course we can build enough windmills. We've sent men to the moon.
The distinction of your personal role is lost on me. I'm tired of the left being based on flaming insults and fascism. You are at best silent when it comes to stopping it while you butt slap and hug all the Democrats who do it. There is a point where you fight fire with fire. I've had it. Knock it off.
"Of course we can build enough windmills. We've sent men to the moon."
False analogy. That's just stupid
NightFox said:
I apologize if I wasn't clear on what I'm asking, what I'm trying to get to is a cost that takes into account ALL externalities both positive and negative with the goal being to arrive at an accurate cost. Then we can do an apples to apples comparison against all other alternatives.
I don't believe that wind power can REPLACE existing coal plants with wind, I do however suspect that it can play a role in expanding current capacity, granted it's a small role but it needs to be looked at where the geography makes sense, thus the quest to arrive at a true cost so we can do a meaningful comparison to all other alternatives. My limited experience with wind farms indicates that in at least one area (Palm Springs, CA) wind power has done an excellent and cost-efficient job of supplementing energy requirements.
You just can't help yourself can you?You are like a guy in the KKK who goes to the meetings and puts on your white hood and goes to lynchings and cross burnings. Then you say, but it wasn't me!I didn't have to work hard at all. Your flaming insults just begged for a suitable response, it was like a force took over my fingers and automatically typed it out.No problem, I wish I could say I though of it, or even remember who I heard it from.“You will always find failure in can’t”Success is found in a can.
"More specifically, they figure that wind turbines average just 11 grams of CO2 emission per kilowatthour of electricity generated. That compares with 44 g/kwh for solar, 450 g for natural gas, and a whopping 1,000 g for coal.
But beating them all is the original large-scale zero-carbon power source, nuclear power, at 9 g/kwh.
Thanks to technology, these stats aren’t static. Offshore wind turbines are becoming enormous, with General Electric’s GE -2.9% Haliade X featuring blades 360 feet long and generating 14 megawatts. The carbon footprint of such monsters could get as low as 6 g/kwh. "
How Green Is Wind Power, Really? A New Report Tallies Up The Carbon Cost Of Renewables
Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.
I wasn't talking about the cost of operating the windmill after it's built, I was talking about the carbon footprint of building it.
You didn't know it takes carbon to build a windmill? Seriously?
And I said "during the manufacturing process," moron. READ what you are responding to
You didn't think to READ the link where those figures came from, here you go:
"Of course the wind blows without carbon emissions, but catching it isn’t easy. Building and erecting wind turbines requires hundreds of tons of materials — steel, concrete, fiberglass, copper, and more exotic stuff like neodymium and dysprosium used in permanent magnets.
All of it has a carbon footprint. Making steel requires the combustion of metallurgical coal in blast furnaces. Mining metals and rare earths is energy intensive. And the manufacture of concrete emits lots of carbon dioxide.
In the case of wind and solar power, those emissions are nearly all front-loaded. That contrasts with fossil-fueled electric power plants, where emissions occur continuouisly as coal and natural gas are combusted."
But then again you hardly ever provide links to the numbers you throw out there.
Windmills generate tiny energy compared to natural gas and nuclear. It doesn't take one windmill to replace a power plant, it takes thousands of them. They can't do it, it's not feasible. You're just playing games on the fringes, not solving anything
Cool. That's normally where you can be found, leaning over one
Nope, dope. Because you will always find failure in can't!
Nice turn of phrase Boo, I think I’ll steal that one and use it the next time one my junior engineers claim …”but that’s just CAN’T be done!”.
I would have been more impressed if you hadn't worked so hard to take what I said out of context to force it in for the joke
I remembered it a was a slogan from Houston's Can Academy.
Democrats have been calling us all racists for at least 40 years, that's as long as I remember. Not sure when it started before that. I've had it, I'm giving it back until you stop. God, a Democrat whining about insults. You're priceless
Granted it was an insult trap that I was pretty sure an astute guy like you would easily trigger.
Of course we can build enough windmills. We've sent men to the moon.
The distinction of your personal role is lost on me. I'm tired of the left being based on flaming insults and fascism. You are at best silent when it comes to stopping it while you butt slap and hug all the Democrats who do it. There is a point where you fight fire with fire. I've had it. Knock it off.
"Of course we can build enough windmills. We've sent men to the moon."
False analogy. That's just stupid
"I apologize if I wasn't clear on what I'm asking, what I'm trying to get to is a cost that takes into account ALL externalities both positive and negative with the goal being to arrive at an accurate cost. Then we can do an apples to apples comparison against all other alternatives."
"I don't believe that wind power can REPLACE existing coal plants with wind, I do however suspect that it can play a role in expanding current capacity, granted it's a small role but it needs to be looked at where the geography makes sense, thus the quest to arrive at a true cost so we can do a meaningful comparison to all other alternatives. My limited experience with wind farms indicates that in at least one area (Palm Springs, CA) wind power has done an excellent and cost-efficient job of supplementing energy requirements."
Efficient as in energy input versus energy output (I.e energy conversion), wind is more efficient in that regard than nuclear is (around 45% vs. around 38%), from what I’ve read. It makes sense because the wind conversion is a lot simpler (kinetic to kinetic to electricity) nuclear is fission to heat to kinetic to kinetic to electricity.
