ideas for vetting, revised

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dafenstein, I’m a proponent of free enterprise and I’m generally opposed to government choosing winners or losers.

I’m an advocate of an explicit market driven trade policy that would significantly reduce USA’s trade deficit, increase the sum of USA’s aggregate imports plus exports, subsidizes USA’s exports and its entire net cost is borne by USA purchasers of imported goods.

Refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...significantly-reduce-usa-s-trade-deficit.html

Respectfully, Supposn

Yes!
Getting the government to stand between every buyer and seller is a great market driven policy.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I’m an advocate of an explicit market driven trade policy Supposn

what the lying liberal advocates is a new tax on imports that would make Americans poorer and destroy American industry by removing it from international competition. Its so stupid it could only be liberal.

 

[Supposn]

Dafenstein, I’m a proponent of free enterprise and I’m generally opposed to government choosing winners or losers.

I’m an advocate of an explicit market driven trade policy that would significantly reduce USA’s trade deficit, increase the sum of USA’s aggregate imports plus exports, subsidizes USA’s exports and its entire net cost is borne by USA purchasers of imported goods.

Refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...significantly-reduce-usa-s-trade-deficit.html

Respectfully, Supposn

Yes! Getting the government to stand between every buyer and seller is a great market driven policy.

Toddsterpatriot,I’m an advocate of as trade deficit that is not absolutely pure free trade but it is absolutely pure free enterprise.
I describe it as market driven because unlike free trade, it’s impervious and/or caps ANY mischief by entities not direct participants within our global trade transactions.

It’s a unilateral trade policy that eliminates or limits the effects of currency exchange, labor costs, The U.S, federal or any other governments, alliances or individuals that would deliberately or otherwise conspire against us. This policy reduces the hidden commercial; and governments’ interventions within our trade contracts. The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see it.

Our assessed imports of goods could never exceed our exports.
More than otherwise this policy would increase our GDP, numbers of jobs, median wage, imports’ prices within our domestic markets and the sum of our aggregate imports plus exports, prices of our imports, and the sums of our aggregate imports plus exports. It subsidizes USA exports.

Refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...significantly-reduce-usa-s-trade-deficit.html

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Toddsterpatriot,I’m an advocate of as trade deficit that is not absolutely pure free trade

what the lying liberal advocates is a new tax on imports that would make Americans poorer and destroy American industry by removing it from international competition. Its so stupid it could only be liberal.

Oh, Buffet who devised it calls it a tariff too!!

 

[Supposn]

Toddsterpatriot,I’m an advocate of as trade deficit that is not absolutely pure free trade

what the lying liberal advocates is a new tax on imports that would make Americans poorer and destroy American industry by removing it from international competition. Its so stupid it could only be liberal.

Oh, Buffet who devised it calls it a tariff too!!

Edward Baiamonte, this Import Certificate policy would be of advantage to any USA enterprise that competes or aspires to compete with foreign goods within or beyond our nation’s borders.

Regardless of intelligence, differences of opinions are not unusual. Incivility is more often an attribute of those less logical but intelligence does not demand civility. Civility generally supports itself wherever it exists.

Supposn

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dafenstein, I’m a proponent of free enterprise and I’m generally opposed to government choosing winners or losers.

I’m an advocate of an explicit market driven trade policy that would significantly reduce USA’s trade deficit, increase the sum of USA’s aggregate imports plus exports, subsidizes USA’s exports and its entire net cost is borne by USA purchasers of imported goods.

Refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...significantly-reduce-usa-s-trade-deficit.html

Respectfully, Supposn

Yes! Getting the government to stand between every buyer and seller is a great market driven policy.

Toddsterpatriot,I’m an advocate of as trade deficit that is not absolutely pure free trade but it is absolutely pure free enterprise.
I describe it as market driven because unlike free trade, it’s impervious and/or caps ANY mischief by entities not direct participants within our global trade transactions.

It’s a unilateral trade policy that eliminates or limits the effects of currency exchange, labor costs, The U.S, federal or any other governments, alliances or individuals that would deliberately or otherwise conspire against us. This policy reduces the hidden commercial; and governments’ interventions within our trade contracts. The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see it.

Our assessed imports of goods could never exceed our exports.
More than otherwise this policy would increase our GDP, numbers of jobs, median wage, imports’ prices within our domestic markets and the sum of our aggregate imports plus exports, prices of our imports, and the sums of our aggregate imports plus exports. It subsidizes USA exports.

Refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...significantly-reduce-usa-s-trade-deficit.html

Respectfully, Supposn

Our assessed imports of goods could never exceed our exports.

Yes!
More government control.....for freedom!!!!

 

[Supposn]

Toddsterpatriot,I’m an advocate of as trade deficit that is not absolutely pure free trade but it is absolutely pure free enterprise.
I describe it as market driven because unlike free trade, it’s impervious and/or caps ANY mischief by entities not direct participants within our global trade transactions.

It’s a unilateral trade policy that eliminates or limits the effects of currency exchange, labor costs, The U.S, federal or any other governments, alliances or individuals that would deliberately or otherwise conspire against us. This policy reduces the hidden commercial; and governments’ interventions within our trade contracts. The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see itOur assessed imports of goods could never exceed our exports.
More than otherwise this policy would increase our GDP, numbers of jobs, median wage, imports’ prices within our domestic markets and the sum of our aggregate imports plus exports, prices of our imports, and the sums of our aggregate imports plus exports. It subsidizes USA exports.

Refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...significantly-reduce-usa-s-trade-deficit.html

Respectfully, Supposn

...Yes! More government control.....for freedom!!!!

Toddsterpatriot, No! The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see it.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Edward Baiamonte, this Import Certificate policy would be of advantage to any USA enterprise that competes or aspires to compete with foreign goods within or beyond our nation’s borders.

sure!!! a huge tax on imported cars would be an huge advantage to Ford and GM because they would not have compete with imported cars. Why not just make importation illegal altogether and then make it illegal between states to. If Mississippi had to make everything they'd have full employment the next day!! Imports steal jobs so make them illegal!!

Thats your free lunch libturd principle- right?? Don't build a better cheaper car, just suffle papers in Washington!! Thats the way to get a libturd free lunch!!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

differences of opinions are not unusual.

a liberal does not have the IQ to have a considered opinion! A liberal has feelings but they don't rise to the level of opinions , let alone thoughts. Its easy enough to prove too:

Please say something intelligent in support of liberalism?

See what I mean?

Now ask the same question of a conservative or libertarian.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Toddsterpatriot,I’m an advocate of as trade deficit that is not absolutely pure free trade but it is absolutely pure free enterprise.
I describe it as market driven because unlike free trade, it’s impervious and/or caps ANY mischief by entities not direct participants within our global trade transactions.

It’s a unilateral trade policy that eliminates or limits the effects of currency exchange, labor costs, The U.S, federal or any other governments, alliances or individuals that would deliberately or otherwise conspire against us. This policy reduces the hidden commercial; and governments’ interventions within our trade contracts. The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see itOur assessed imports of goods could never exceed our exports.
More than otherwise this policy would increase our GDP, numbers of jobs, median wage, imports’ prices within our domestic markets and the sum of our aggregate imports plus exports, prices of our imports, and the sums of our aggregate imports plus exports. It subsidizes USA exports.

Refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...significantly-reduce-usa-s-trade-deficit.html

Respectfully, Supposn

...Yes! More government control.....for freedom!!!!

Toddsterpatriot, No! The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see it.

Respectfully, Supposn

Requiring an export certificate in order to import something is much more intervention than we currently suffer.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

...Yes! More government control.....for freedom!!!!

Toddsterpatriot, No! The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see it.

Respectfully, Supposn

Requiring an export certificate in order to import something is much more intervention than we currently suffer.

I think the liberal is trying to humor you by saying "less intervention" when in reality a little less or a little more liberalism is not the issue since all interference is harmful.

 

[Supposn]

I claim to be a political populist. These portions of posted messages between Edward Baiamonte and myself may (or may not) be of interest to anyone that question my populist political philosophy.

Rwespectfully, Supposn

Refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...-when-unemployment-is-high-3.html#post6905434

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Excerpted from Supposn’s, (response #42):

Within other than a labor shortage market, eliminating the FMW is still an improvement over historic serfdom or slavery but it extremely reduces aggregate job seekers and employees negotiating positions and would be a net detriment to our economy.

Regarding these two alternatives you now bring to the table:

I’ m opposed to your alternative that we monitor the wage rates of every existing and future task to retain a fixed proportion relative to a constant finite legal amount. Aside for its unnecessary complexity, there’s no manner to enforce the method unless the government was going to enforce wage rates for every single task. An employer could modify any wage by simply modifying the wage earners’ task descriptions.
Similarly your alternative suggestion that we reduce all prices in half would require complete government price controls.

All three of your proposals would be economically more detrimental to our nation.
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(Edward Baiamonte’s entire response #43):

Quote: Originally Posted by Supposn
All three of your proposals would be economically more detrimental to our nation.

Supposn
too stupid!! Nixon implimented price controls easily. Its make every American a policeman. Who would dare raise prices when they would be instantly reported.

All we do is cut all prices in half and everyone can buy twice as much tomorrow!! Its a beautiful free lunch!! FMW only helps the poor but it is the vast middle class that is suffering too. We could double their purchasing power tomorrow!!
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Excerpted from Supposn’s, (response #44):

Edward Baiamonte, I completely over estimated you.
I assumed you to be a conservative that’s opposed to the minimum wage because you believe it to be among government’s early intrusions upon private enterprise and thus (even if you didn’t believe it was itself detrimental to our nation’s economy, you would still be opposed to the precedence it establishes).

That’s a conservative position I as a populist am opposed to but I understand and respect those motives; (i.e. I do not question the patriotism of the conservatives I oppose).

You're apparently satisfied with the concept of government wage and price controls simply because a Republican president enacted it. …
… I’m an advocate of the federal minim wage rate pegged to the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar. Within all of the years and all of the responses I’ve posted within many political forums, you will not find a single sentence of approval for limiting profits, incomes, wages, or prices. I’m a populist not a socialist.
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[Supposn]

Requiring an export certificate in order to import something is much more intervention than we currently suffer.

Toddster Patriot, this is excerpted from response #83:

(Import Certificates are) “a unilateral trade policy that eliminates or limits the effects of currency exchange, labor costs, The U.S, federal or any other governments, alliances or individuals that would deliberately or otherwise conspire against us. This policy reduces the hidden commercial; and governments’ interventions within our trade contracts. The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see it”.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Requiring an export certificate in order to import something is much more intervention than we currently suffer.

Toddster Patriot, this is excerpted from response #83:

(Import Certificates are) “a unilateral trade policy that eliminates or limits the effects of currency exchange, labor costs, The U.S, federal or any other governments, alliances or individuals that would deliberately or otherwise conspire against us. This policy reduces the hidden commercial; and governments’ interventions within our trade contracts. The lesser intervention of this trade policy is transparent to all who would look to see it”.

Respectfully, Supposn

It’s a unilateral trade policy that eliminates or limits the effects of currency exchange, labor costs, The U.S, federal or any other governments, alliances or individuals that would deliberately or otherwise conspire against us. This policy reduces the hidden commercial; and governments’ interventions within our trade contracts.

Reducing hidden interventions and replacing them with larger, more onerous, in our face interventions is an improvement? How's that?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

you will not find a single sentence of approval for limiting profits, incomes, wages, or prices. I’m a populist not a socialist.
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too stupid!! if you are for higher wages you can just as easily be for lower prices. Why not cut prices in half tomorrow so we can all buy twice as much. Its the perfect libturd free lunch!!

 

[Supposn]

you will not find a single sentence of approval for limiting profits, incomes, wages, or prices. I’m a populist not a socialist.
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too stupid!! if you are for higher wages you can just as easily be for lower prices. Why not cut prices in half tomorrow so we can all buy twice as much. Its the perfect libturd free lunch!!

Edward Baiamonte, you imagine to read what’s never been written and/or may attempt to validate your daydream by quoting me out of concept.
I’m concerned with the purchasing power of USA’s median wage rather than the amount of that statistical data item itself.
The GDP is an indicator of a nations’ production of wealth and the proportion the median wage relative to the per capita GDP indicates the extent of the nations’ distribution of wealth throughout the nation.

As I previously responded to you within another thread, (refer to:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...-when-unemployment-is-high-3.html#post6905434 )

You have no allegiance to any political principle. I’m an advocate of the federal minim wage rate pegged to the purchasing power of the U.S. dollar. Within all of the years and all of the responses I’ve posted within many political forums, you will not find a single sentence of approval for limiting profits, incomes, wages, or prices. I’m a populist not a socialist.

What is more socialistic than limiting wages or prices? But you’re not a socialist or a populist or a conservative or a liberal. You have no political philosophy; you’re not stupid but you’re the political equivalent to amoral.

Supposn

 

[Supposn]

Reducing hidden interventions and replacing them with larger, more onerous, in our face interventions is an improvement? How's that?

ToddsPatriot, I contend that lesser jobs, median wage, and GDP s due to our trade deficit is more onerous than increasing import goods’ prices within USA’s domestic markets.

I contend that the transparent intervention of an Import Certificate policy is less intervening than both explicit and concealed USA and foreign governments’ policies that drive rates of global currency exchanges and labor costs interventions within our global trade and their reflections within our entire economy.

I often wonder why this concept is so unfamiliar and thus never publically discussed by our major parties?

I suspect that a major factor may be due to the assessment of goods’ approximate market value at U.S. ports expressed in U.S. dollars is a technical rather than a policy determination.
Possibly that no additional tax revenue is generated due to the trade policy itself, and government officials are not granted any policy discretion within this policy, is a political concept too terrible to be publically discussed?

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Reducing hidden interventions and replacing them with larger, more onerous, in our face interventions is an improvement? How's that?

ToddsPatriot, I contend that lesser jobs, median wage, and GDP s due to our trade deficit is more onerous than increasing import goods’ prices within USA’s domestic markets.

I contend that the transparent intervention of an Import Certificate policy is less intervening than both explicit and concealed USA and foreign governments’ policies that drive rates of global currency exchanges and labor costs interventions within our global trade and their reflections within our entire economy.

I often wonder why this concept is so unfamiliar and thus never publically discussed by our major parties?

I suspect that a major factor may be due to the assessment of goods’ approximate market value at U.S. ports expressed in U.S. dollars is a technical rather than a policy determination.
Possibly that no additional tax revenue is generated due to the trade policy itself, and government officials are not granted any policy discretion within this policy, is a political concept too terrible to be publically discussed?

Respectfully, Supposn

Increasing government power will of course increase jobs, median wage, and GDP. LOL!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

ToddsPatriot, I contend that lesser jobs, median wage, and GDP s due to our trade deficit

too stupid!! its not due to our trade deficit but rather to a lazy liberal economy that is not competitive.

You don't fix the problem by looking for a libturd free lunch but rather my making our goods and services more competitive.

We could start by removing liberal interventions like unions, minimum wages, regulations, financial deficits which allow the Chinese to buy our debt rather than our products, and liberal schools that turn out the dumbest kids in the world.

See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow?

 

[Supposn]

ToddsPatriot, I contend that lesser jobs, median wage, and GDP s due to our trade deficit

too stupid!! its not due to our trade deficit but rather to a lazy liberal economy that is not competitive.

You don't fix the problem by looking for a libturd free lunch but rather my making our goods and services more competitive.

We could start by removing liberal interventions like unions, minimum wages, regulations, financial deficits which allow the Chinese to buy our debt rather than our products, and liberal schools that turn out the dumbest kids in the world.

See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow?

Edward Baiamonte, when Maytag moved their refrigerator manufacturing from Illinois to Mexico, they reduced their labor costs from $15/Hr. to $2/Hr. A 750% difference of labor costs is not a factor that Maytag could ignore but sacrificing USA’s median wage exacerbates rather than remedies our economic problems.

If Maytag had been granted immunity from all of what you consider as unreasonable regulations, laws and taxes; if the government had prevented any intervention from any entities including labor unions), Maytag could not have ignored a 750% difference of labor coasts.

Under USA’s then existing and still current policy that seeks absolutely pure free global trade, it would still have been in Maytag’s better advantage to relocate their production facilities beyond USA’s borders.
But if Maytag were to determine otherwise, and the federal and all Illinois governments’, (i.e. local county and state governments) were inclined and able to make such offers that could have induced Maytag to remain in Illinois, The net economic and social consequences to Illinois would have been more detrimental than the consequences of Maytag’s relocation from Illinois to Mexico.
(Due to the concept of equal treatment under law, the detrimental consequence of what you advocate would have been of great nationwide economic and social detriment).

Supposn