danielpalos
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Templar tantrum sounds funnier.
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I'll leave this here for any stragglers to this thread. It's rare someone makes a point better than I do.See?
The problem here, is now we have data.
There were states that mandated masks, and states that didn't. There were nations in Europe that mandated them, and some that didn't. There was statistically, not a lot of difference, and if there was any? It actually tended to be in the reverse. Those places that mandated the harshest lock-downs and masking protocols were hit the hardest.
So why should folks mess with nature and their immune systems? What arrogance of humanity makes us think that millions of years of evolution of our species can be manipulated by authoritarian diktats to control nature? Why should businesses, corporations, and institutions have the right to put TK's immune system and psychological well being at risk?
The CDC's new mask guidelines could actually increase risk of spreading Covid at work and in public, scientists say
New CDC mask guidelines could increase the risk of spreading Covid-19 in public spaces and workplaces, the Infectious Diseases Society of America said Thursday.www.cnbc.com
Masks may actually increase your coronavirus risk if worn improperly, surgeon general warns | CNN
The US surgeon general not only wants people to stop buying facemasks to prevent coronavirus, but warns that you actually might increase your risk of infection if facemasks are not worn properly.www.cnn.com
Masks Didn't Slow COVID Spread: New Study
townhall.com
Medical Journal Warns About Masks’ Potentially Devastating...
"No matter how many times these people repeat the word 'science,' they are promoting precisely the opposite of science: dogma. By contrast, Dr. Baruch Vainshelboim is pushing us to think more broadly and fundamentally, in a way that connects with pre-2020 intuition, and for this he deserves...www.aier.org
". . . This dogma was illustrated by Anthony Fauci’s response to the situation in Texas, which repealed its mask mandate and saw cases plummet. Asked to explain this result, Fauci responded: “I’m not really quite sure….It could be they’re doing things outdoors.” He declined to even consider the fact that perhaps masks are not effective at controlling spread of the coronavirus. In other words, the theory that universal masking stops the virus is becoming non-falsifiable. . . "
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". . . The entire paper is worth reading. It cites most known studies and knowledge in the scientific literature prior to the Spring of 2020, including the WHO: “Facemasks are not required, as no evidence is available on its usefulness to protect non-sick persons.”
The author goes on to explain a myriad physiological dangers associated with mask wearing:
And some psychological harms of masks:
And the conclusion:
This article represents a new challenge to the pro-masking position. It argues that masks are not merely a “talisman,” as the Journal of the American Medical Association said in April 2020 (before the authors were forced to retract three months later). The situation is far worse: masks are not just useless, but actively damaging to individual health and social well-being. . . . "
Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy
There have been extensive randomized controlled trial (RCT) studies, and meta-analysis reviews of RCT studies, which all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses, or respiratory illnesses believed to be transmitted by droplets and aerosol...www.rcreader.com
This is simply not true from what I have seen. It dies not seem to help stop transmission of the delta variant but it does not help it either. At least there is no study anywhere that I can find and is credible that makes such a claim.It compounds the viral load in someone who is vaccinated who catches Delta. That in turn makes them more likely to transmit it to people who haven't been vaccinated. It defeats the purpose of the vaccine, does it not?
well then, I guess I missed the conversation as I was gone a few days but I did not comment on masks - those are silly IMHO as the vaccine exists so your risk is your own.I'll leave this here for any stragglers to this thread. It's rare someone makes a point better than I do.
For the reasons stated in Mr. Beale's post, I will not be cooperating with mask or vaccine mandates.
We're done here.
It's not so much that I'm afraid of it as I am upset that I am not allowed to take this vaccine on my own terms. Take it now or be banished from functioning society until you do...This is simply not true from what I have seen. It dies not seem to help stop transmission of the delta variant but it does not help it either. At least there is no study anywhere that I can find and is credible that makes such a claim.
That, however, is a rather silly reason not to take it as well as far as I am concerned. You have a responsibility for you - I am not going to either endanger myself or my family because someone else refuses the vaccine and ends up dead because of it. To be quite frank, that is a choice they made when they refused the vaccine - a calculated choice to assume the risk WHEN, not if but when, they get COVID.
COVID is not going away - ever. That is a simple reality. Everyone, and I mean everyone, is going to get COVID. Years down the line it will be a cold but today it is a clear risk for death or disability.
Then don't get vaccinated. And I am against mandatory vaccinations.I WILL NOT COOPERATE. YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY LIBERTIES AWAY FROM ME.
Thank you and good day.
Why do you think I've been locked down in this house for the past 17 months? I don't want to catch the virus and or infect others with it.Then don't get vaccinated. And I am against mandatory vaccinations.
It would be really nice if you would put the slightest effort into not infecting and killing others, like kids who can't get vaccinated.
But I know that just asking that is an "attack" on your "freedom" and "liberty" by a "commie". My apologies.
Again, don't get vaccinated. I support your decision, and I'm dead serious.
Great. Whatever. Don't get vaccinated.Why do you think I've been locked down in this house for the past 17 months? I don't want to catch the virus and or infect others with it.
Great. Whatever. Don't get vaccinated.
Don't get vaccinated. I'm against mandates. I support you.Mac is crying all over the forums about the vaccines not working
Don't get vaccinated. I'm against mandates. I support you.
Nope, I'm living my life just fine. I appreciate your concern. Please try to calm down.You know there really is a way you can not get people sick.
Don't go out sick. That's it, Mac. All of this strum and drang and it's back to what we knew in 2019. If you're sick, stay home. That's it.
But that really is not the case. You can utterly abstain from taking it, there is noting stopping you whatsoever. Sure, Biden would LIKE to force it on you but at this point there seems to be no political backing for those types of measures. There are already several laws passed to ensure that does not happen. I agree, it is your choice and it should be on your terms. I do not see that going away to be perfectly honest, the numbers are simply not there to back the totalitarian measures the left wants to make.It's not so much that I'm afraid of it as I am upset that I am not allowed to take this vaccine on my own terms. Take it now or be banished from functioning society until you do...
No, I get it but it just seems like a silly take on it. You are essentially saying that because you want to force me to do something I am going to put myself in unnecessary risk. You are giving those control over your future (a considerable amount of control considering the virus may kill you) because you are unhappy that they are trying to control you...? That seems like a poor way of sticking it to them. I think of it this way, peel off everything but the hard facts we know: COVID does have a significant chance to kill me even with its high survivability. I would not partake in an action that would kill me even 1 out of a thousand times I partook, it is just a silly risk to take. Over a billion full vaccinations have been administered and the side effects are far less risky than the virus. What do I care that the dems are being idiots about the vaccine, I am not going to let them dictate to me to take it or not. The risk analysis says I should so I did.I'd sooner rebel than be coerced. Right now, the vaccine is incomplete. If someone who is vaccinated can still transmit the virus to someone else who isn't, then the vaccine isn't doing its job. It may help the one who is vaccinated, but not the one who contracts it due to the vaccine being only partially effective. Perhaps I explained that poorly before.
The exact same thing is true without the vaccine. Evidence also shows you are LESS likely to pass it on as a vaccinated person as a breakthrough infection is still more unlikely but even if it did nothing at all for transmission not taking the vaccine would do literally nothing in preventing you from spreading it around. That circles right back to the risk analysis for you personally.It doesn't make them transmitters, it allows them to be carriers due to its inability to program the immune system to fight it off efficiently. The symptoms may be diminished, but the person will still contract it and perhaps expose someone else to the full strain.
I can't right now. I just... can't. That's why I haven't left this house since February of last year.
I hope that clears things up.
It is almost like you did not read a single word in the post you quoted - it has no relation to her statement...Nope, I'm living my life just fine. I appreciate your concern. Please try to calm down.
Did you say something?It is almost like you did not read a single word in the post you quoted - it has no relation to her statement...
Well, not to you apparently as you seem to ignore everything. Sad, at one time you actually put useful thoughts here. Then Trump moved into your head and now all you can do is be a troll.Did you say something?
Wrong.I didn't say anything about it being "less effective." It's utterly pointless for children. The mortality rate among children for any strain of this virus is markedly low. If a child has underlying immune issues, vaccines are great, but not for perfectly healthy and non-immunodepressed children.
You do realize that you can be asymptomatic and carrying the virus, right?You know there really is a way you can not get people sick.
Don't go out sick. That's it, Mac. All of this strum and drang and it's back to what we knew in 2019. If you're sick, stay home. That's it.
Fair enough...You can utterly abstain from taking it, there is noting stopping you whatsoever. Sure, Biden would LIKE to force it on you but at this point there seems to be no political backing for those types of measures. There are already several laws passed to ensure that does not happen. I agree, it is your choice and it should be on your terms. I do not see that going away to be perfectly honest, the numbers are simply not there to back the totalitarian measures the left wants to make.
I will admit I am being rather extreme about it. I don't have faith that the government is giving me accurate information about the vaccine. That has primarily driven my hesitancy thus far. If I do take the vaccine (which I eventually will do somewhere down the line), fuck the mask. That's something I'll not budge on.You are giving those control over your future (a considerable amount of control considering the virus may kill you) because you are unhappy that they are trying to control you...? That seems like a poor way of sticking it to them. I think of it this way, peel off everything but the hard facts we know: COVID does have a significant chance to kill me even with its high survivability. I would not partake in an action that would kill me even 1 out of a thousand times I partook, it is just a silly risk to take. Over a billion full vaccinations have been administered and the side effects are far less risky than the virus. What do I care that the dems are being idiots about the vaccine, I am not going to let them dictate to me to take it or not. The risk analysis says I should so I did.