I want you to stay out of my bedroom, but pay for what goes on inside!

[thereisnospoon]

The fact is erectile dysfunction can be devastating to marriages and to men's psychological well being..

Pregnancy can be damaging to a woman's psychological wellbeing, too.

You're joking, right?
The term "condition" used for a pregnancy was tossed out years ago. It's unacceptable.
Many women perform in their careers, jobs and function normally right up until the week of giving birth. That is THEIR CHOICE.
Since when is pregnancy, a simple biological function deemed "damaging"..
Get back on your rocker sweetie.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The fact is erectile dysfunction can be devastating to marriages and to men's psychological well being..

Pregnancy can be damaging to a woman's psychological wellbeing, too.

There's a little thing called abstinence, you know.

HOW DARE YOU!!! Don't you know that unprotected sex without consequence is now an entitlement?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Call it what you want - but it's even covered by the VA. BTW, there are additional health benefits to contraceptives - other than birth control.

Viagra is used by both men and women to treat conditions where the body is not responding as it is supposed to.

Birth Control, when taken for that reason alone, is not restoring the body to it's natural condition, but preventing a natural occurance.

Erectile dysfunction in elderly men is normal - you think its normal for a 90 year old man to get a raging hard on?

Maybe once you can't get it up, you shouldn't have sex. Let men practice abstinence, and see how they like it.

Listen up Cupcake, don't step outside your element. You aren't that smart.
Obviously to you this is not about health or even birth control. To you this another cause.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Typical male conservative...if a woman wants birth control, she must be a slut!

Can't imagine you are too popular with the ladies.

She put herself out there. Whatever criticism went her way was deserved.
I think she created a lot of hysteria with the left. Obama's timing was impeccable. He used Fluke as a prop for his socialized medicine agenda and she was quickly tossed to the gutter when people stopped paying attention.

How'd that work out for the GOP? The "she got what she deserved" gambit?

You're just full of straw man arguments, aren't you?
Do you not see Fluke was used as a political chew toy?

 

[thereisnospoon]

How would this be any different than a company deciding it didn't want to pay overtime for more than 40 hours in a work week...if it tells you at the interview that you get paid strait wages through out?

You know the deal going in; you can decide not to work there and seek a more worker friendly company...

We all have choices. If a prospective employer is not a good fit then that person should go elsewhere. It's the only logical choice to make.

Great dodge.

Not a dodge. A FACT. Tough shit.

 

[thereisnospoon]

How would this be any different than a company deciding it didn't want to pay overtime for more than 40 hours in a work week...if it tells you at the interview that you get paid strait wages through out?

You know the deal going in; you can decide not to work there and seek a more worker friendly company...

We all have choices. If a prospective employer is not a good fit then that person should go elsewhere. It's the only logical choice to make.

Actually not.

This no longer the 19th Century, fortunately.

Workers can’t be compelled to go from employer to employer, hoping to find a benevolent master, or forced to flee an abusive one.

It’s perfectly appropriate in the context of Commerce Clause jurisprudence for government to regulate wages and compensation – which is what employers’ contributions to health insurance premiums is; just as work hours and working conditions are regulated.

What you advocate is a reactionary fantasy.

No ..this is not the 19th century. Precisely why there are CHOICES...And you are incorrect. There is NO law nor provision in the US Constitution or any state law mandating any employer provide medical insurance for their employees.
Medical insurance are FRINGE BENEFITS. This term used to describe the additional offerings by employers to attract better candidates and by extension better employees.
Insurance benefits are not required. Even under Obama care they are not required. Employers of more than 50 full time workers(30 hours per week) may opt out by paying an 8% charge of each employees gross salary.
Oh, you got your law degree from WHERE?

 

[Truthseeker420]

I'm sure Sandra Fluke would throw a fit over this picture.

Just because the government pays for the roads I drive on doesn't mean they get to choose what kind of car I drive.

 

[hortysir]

I'm sure Sandra Fluke would throw a fit over this picture.

What about Viagra and penis pumps?

Are they pushing you out of your job?

 

[candycorn]

She put herself out there. Whatever criticism went her way was deserved.
I think she created a lot of hysteria with the left. Obama's timing was impeccable. He used Fluke as a prop for his socialized medicine agenda and she was quickly tossed to the gutter when people stopped paying attention.

How'd that work out for the GOP? The "she got what she deserved" gambit?

You're just full of straw man arguments, aren't you?
Do you not see Fluke was used as a political chew toy?

332-206...FACT. TOUGH SHIT as they say.

 

[candycorn]

We all have choices. If a prospective employer is not a good fit then that person should go elsewhere. It's the only logical choice to make.

Great dodge.

Not a dodge. A FACT. Tough shit.

Sure it's a dodge, you know that. I asked how it's different. You didn't address it. It's what you guys do best.

 

[OriginalShroom]

Apparently, according to you, insurance should not have to cover something that is used to treat a medical condition such as hormonal imbalance but should be used to treat other medical conditions such as hypertension, high cholesterol, infection, or pain.

Do I have your position on the topic down right?

You couldn't be further off.

That is why you are an idiot. You think you know what others believe without reading and comprehending what they are saying. You simply assign positions to them that you think they have.

To put it simply...

If a person needs a specific approved drug to treat a medical condition, they should get it and Insurance should cover it as they cover other medicines, co-pays and all. I would include Birth Control pills being prescribed for conditions which the FDA has approved it's use for. I would also include Viagra as it is used by both men and women to treat a physical problem.

If a person wants a drug to order to inhibit their body from performing as it naturally would, then the drugs should not be covered under Government mandated Insurance requirements. In this I would include Birth Control that is being prescribed for use as birth control and not as treatment. I would also include medicines used for gender re-assignments. If a Doctor were to be caught prescribing medicines under this and claiming that it was for treatment of medical conditions, they would lose their license and have to reimburse the insurance company for all the claims.

And yes, I do believe that Marijuana should be able to be prescribed for specific illnesses and physical conditions and covered under medical insurance.

So, put another way,

if you need it, it should be covered.
if you want it, it should not be covered.

Intimacy, for you, is not a human need...then right?

You finally got it.

If you need it to correct a physical disfunction, then Health Insurance should cover it. If you want it to prevent the body from acting as it naturally would, you should pay for it yourself.

 

[thereisnospoon]

How'd that work out for the GOP? The "she got what she deserved" gambit?

You're just full of straw man arguments, aren't you?
Do you not see Fluke was used as a political chew toy?

332-206...FACT. TOUGH SHIT as they say.

Another non sequitur. Nice.
The message is, if one wants The Pill they will pay for it themselves. Or they can go to Planned Parenthood and get it for free.
Tough shit.
Birth control is NOT an entitlement. Never will be.

 

[candycorn]

You're just full of straw man arguments, aren't you?
Do you not see Fluke was used as a political chew toy?

332-206...FACT. TOUGH SHIT as they say.

Another non sequitur. Nice.
The message is, if one wants The Pill they will pay for it themselves. Or they can go to Planned Parenthood and get it for free.
Tough shit.
Birth control is NOT an entitlement. Never will be.

The stupidity of your post is near legendary. Ms. Fluke wanted to pay for her contraceptives as part of her insurance. Your recommendation that she avail herself of PP is endorsement of the entitlement (PP gets Title X grants dumbass) which you claim doesn't exist.

 

[candycorn]

You couldn't be further off.

That is why you are an idiot. You think you know what others believe without reading and comprehending what they are saying. You simply assign positions to them that you think they have.

To put it simply...

If a person needs a specific approved drug to treat a medical condition, they should get it and Insurance should cover it as they cover other medicines, co-pays and all. I would include Birth Control pills being prescribed for conditions which the FDA has approved it's use for. I would also include Viagra as it is used by both men and women to treat a physical problem.

If a person wants a drug to order to inhibit their body from performing as it naturally would, then the drugs should not be covered under Government mandated Insurance requirements. In this I would include Birth Control that is being prescribed for use as birth control and not as treatment. I would also include medicines used for gender re-assignments. If a Doctor were to be caught prescribing medicines under this and claiming that it was for treatment of medical conditions, they would lose their license and have to reimburse the insurance company for all the claims.

And yes, I do believe that Marijuana should be able to be prescribed for specific illnesses and physical conditions and covered under medical insurance.

So, put another way,

if you need it, it should be covered.
if you want it, it should not be covered.

Intimacy, for you, is not a human need...then right?

You finally got it.

If you need it to correct a physical disfunction, then Health Insurance should cover it. If you want it to prevent the body from acting as it naturally would, you should pay for it yourself.

So eyeglasses are not to be covered? Your sight deteriorates as you age....its quite natural.

BTW intimacy is recognized universally as a human need. Even for many Republicans.

 

[Noomi]

Erectile dysfunction in elderly men is normal - you think its normal for a 90 year old man to get a raging hard on?

Maybe once you can't get it up, you shouldn't have sex. Let men practice abstinence, and see how they like it.

Prove your point that it is normal for men not to be able to get erections.

Let's see the medical proof.

I have tons of medical proof that it is not normal and that there is treatment for it.

Generally speaking, erectile dysfunction is a normal part of the male aging process.

He thinks he'll be able to have a health sex life at the age of 90 without needing any medical help. Its perfectly normal for a man to suffer from erectile dysfunction when he gets older.

And I think that if women have to remain abstinent so they don't get pregnant and suffer psychologically from an unwanted pregnancy, men with erection problems shouldn't have sex, then they can't suffer psychologically, either.

 

[DiamondDave]

Well, in part yeah. What if the company believed in natural childbirth without drugs....would you be for the insurance not paying for Cesarean delivery, Demerol, spinal taps, etc...? If you are not for that, please explain why.

By the way, Elementary is great. Hope it stays on the air.

I would be for a prospective employee not choosing that company to work for if it didn't align with what coverage they would like.

And if you work there already....I guess you should just quit. Or I guess you can decide just not to have kids, check the owner's religion preferences etc...

Very well.

Still, Ms. Fluke wasn't asking for government money.

In terms of her USING the government to FORCE others to do as she wanted.. yes, she was asking for government money

 

[DiamondDave]

Sandra Fluke wanted contraceptives to be part of her presciption drug plan. Not the government to pay for it.

She has you guys scared shitless...so nice.

She wanted the government to FORCE an employer to include it in the coverage plan they chose and they partially pay for, even if it was against their beliefs or stance for whatever reason... Nothing stopped Slutty McMuffin from going and buying her birth control all on her own

it does not cost more, so you and the employer does not pay ANYTHING FOR IT Dave....

The cost savings for insurers to not cover other things covers the pill.

As example, the insurance actuaries have found savings with providing birth control, that the insurance company won'[t have to pay for such as pregnancies and prenatal care... will cost less with fewer unwanted pregnancies as well....

There is no increase in insurance premiums AT ALL for including birth control coverage.

So, my dear Dave, there is no forcing ANYONE to contribute to another's birth control. Read up on it, pretty please.

I don't care if it costs LESS, let alone the same... that is NOT the point... She does not get to force the company or employer to go against their religion and pay for (or simply provide) something they do not believe in on an insurance package that COMPANY negotiates to get and voluntarily pays for at least in part (a large part)

 

[DiamondDave]

Why are we getting away from the real objection? The real and only objection is the first amendment violations. All the other cost vs cost is just smoke....

We either have freedom of religion or we don't, which is it?

If your religion is against violence, should you have to pay taxes that go for tanks, apache helicopters, Navy SEALs?

Maybe you should ask a Quaker.... but regardless, national defense paid for thru taxation is not even close to being the same as an employer being forced to pay for BC within a plan they voluntarily provide, negotiate, manage, etc...

 

[DiamondDave]

I'm sure Sandra Fluke would throw a fit over this picture.

What about Viagra and penis pumps?

Should not be forced upon an employer to provide in an insurance plan they negotiate, pay for, manager, etc either...

If they wish to, fine.. if they don't because of some religious belief or moral code.. then fine too

Next

 

[DiamondDave]

Sandra Fluke wanted contraceptives to be part of her presciption drug plan. Not the government to pay for it.

She has you guys scared shitless...so nice.

She wanted the government to FORCE an employer to include it in the coverage plan they chose and they partially pay for, even if it was against their beliefs or stance for whatever reason... Nothing stopped Slutty McMuffin from going and buying her birth control all on her own

Typical male conservative...if a woman wants birth control, she must be a slut!

Can't imagine you are too popular with the ladies.

My wife would disagree...

And please review the reason why she wanted it and wanted it paid for against the beliefs of her employer.... and please remember that she has every freedom to go buy supplemental insurance or pay for whatever BC all on her own.. nobody prevented that at all