I told my Dad not to post a Trump sign because I don't want him to be a victim of violence and vandalism

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There are Biden and Trump signs in my neighborhood and everyone is still cordial to one another. Unfortunately, Irrational fear is gripping the nation.
Those who have a vested professional interest in making us more angry and more tribal are winning. Or, they've won.
Your “tribal” bullshit is played the fuck out.
One “tribe” seeks to keep American American while the other “tribe” aims to redefine all that is America...NOBODY stands in the middle these days....this isn’t complicated, pick your fucking side already and commit.
I picked my side a long time ago. Against those who are tearing this country apart. Ideological fundamentalists like you, on both ends.

We have never been more tribal, and you've been manipulated right into it. Like a lemming.
Haha...Mac, you are so lost in your own twisted perceptions and ideals.
How difficult do you think it is to “manipulate” good, decent, real Americans into standing firmly against those trying to “fundamentally change” and redefine everything that is America?
Simple: By (a) robbing them of any curiosity they may have once had to search out contrary information, and (b) distorting the information provided to them as proxy, isolating them from reality.

This type of manipulation has been used on human beings for thousands of years, including Europe several decades ago. It works like a charm. At least for a while.
Seems to have worked on you.
You're free to point out examples. Go ahead. And please quote me.
I've read several of your posts here and you display the typical leftist contempt for anyone who doesn't think exactly as you want them to.
I have never seen you give serious consideration to any other viewpoint than own (if you ever have here, please post an example), and you treat anyone who doesn't buy the nonsense you and your cohort are pushing as if they are simple-minded. Which is ironic, since you seem to be carrying water for socialist/communists, which is the only type of governance that I know of, that has a 100% failure rate.


Now either you were "manipulated" by propaganda into believing this bullshit, or you simply are that stupid....... I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and going with "manipulated". But if you want to insist that is an expression of your own inherent stupidity, that's certainly fine with me.
Ironic, coming from a Trumpster.
Democrats are bigots. Haven't you figure that out yet Mac?
 

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There are Biden and Trump signs in my neighborhood and everyone is still cordial to one another. Unfortunately, Irrational fear is gripping the nation.
Those who have a vested professional interest in making us more angry and more tribal are winning. Or, they've won.
Your “tribal” bullshit is played the fuck out.
One “tribe” seeks to keep American American while the other “tribe” aims to redefine all that is America...NOBODY stands in the middle these days....this isn’t complicated, pick your fucking side already and commit.
I picked my side a long time ago. Against those who are tearing this country apart. Ideological fundamentalists like you, on both ends.

We have never been more tribal, and you've been manipulated right into it. Like a lemming.
Haha...Mac, you are so lost in your own twisted perceptions and ideals.
How difficult do you think it is to “manipulate” good, decent, real Americans into standing firmly against those trying to “fundamentally change” and redefine everything that is America?
Simple: By (a) robbing them of any curiosity they may have once had to search out contrary information, and (b) distorting the information provided to them as proxy, isolating them from reality.

This type of manipulation has been used on human beings for thousands of years, including Europe several decades ago. It works like a charm. At least for a while.
Seems to have worked on you.
You're free to point out examples. Go ahead. And please quote me.
I've read several of your posts here and you display the typical leftist contempt for anyone who doesn't think exactly as you want them to.
I have never seen you give serious consideration to any other viewpoint than own (if you ever have here, please post an example), and you treat anyone who doesn't buy the nonsense you and your cohort are pushing as if they are simple-minded. Which is ironic, since you seem to be carrying water for socialist/communists, which is the only type of governance that I know of, that has a 100% failure rate.


Now either you were "manipulated" by propaganda into believing this bullshit, or you simply are that stupid....... I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and going with "manipulated". But if you want to insist that is an expression of your own inherent stupidity, that's certainly fine with me.
Ironic, coming from a Trumpster.
Democrats are bigots. Haven't you figure that out yet Mac?
Many are. As I always say, the two ends of the spectrum share many behaviors.
 

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There are Biden and Trump signs in my neighborhood and everyone is still cordial to one another. Unfortunately, Irrational fear is gripping the nation.
Those who have a vested professional interest in making us more angry and more tribal are winning. Or, they've won.
Your “tribal” bullshit is played the fuck out.
One “tribe” seeks to keep American American while the other “tribe” aims to redefine all that is America...NOBODY stands in the middle these days....this isn’t complicated, pick your fucking side already and commit.
I picked my side a long time ago. Against those who are tearing this country apart. Ideological fundamentalists like you, on both ends.

We have never been more tribal, and you've been manipulated right into it. Like a lemming.
Haha...Mac, you are so lost in your own twisted perceptions and ideals.
How difficult do you think it is to “manipulate” good, decent, real Americans into standing firmly against those trying to “fundamentally change” and redefine everything that is America?
Simple: By (a) robbing them of any curiosity they may have once had to search out contrary information, and (b) distorting the information provided to them as proxy, isolating them from reality.

This type of manipulation has been used on human beings for thousands of years, including Europe several decades ago. It works like a charm. At least for a while.
Seems to have worked on you.
You're free to point out examples. Go ahead. And please quote me.
I've read several of your posts here and you display the typical leftist contempt for anyone who doesn't think exactly as you want them to.
I have never seen you give serious consideration to any other viewpoint than own (if you ever have here, please post an example), and you treat anyone who doesn't buy the nonsense you and your cohort are pushing as if they are simple-minded. Which is ironic, since you seem to be carrying water for socialist/communists, which is the only type of governance that I know of, that has a 100% failure rate.


Now either you were "manipulated" by propaganda into believing this bullshit, or you simply are that stupid....... I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and going with "manipulated". But if you want to insist that is an expression of your own inherent stupidity, that's certainly fine with me.
Ironic, coming from a Trumpster.
Democrats are bigots. Haven't you figure that out yet Mac?
Many are. As I always say, the two ends of the spectrum share many behaviors.
Those with liberal tendencies are almost all bigots. When their opinions or beliefs or challenged, they lash out and they certainly don't want to entertain the idea that they may be wrong. This bigotry has permeated the business word, sports, etc.

I work for a large company. We had company wide conference call a few weeks ago and the executive level leader took it upon themselves to show support for BLM. If he would have taken the other side, many employees would have complained after the call and raised a big stink. Nobody said a word and nobody will because they know that you can't say anything against the leftist. They can't handle opposing views. Bigots, bigots everywhere.
 

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There are Biden and Trump signs in my neighborhood and everyone is still cordial to one another. Unfortunately, Irrational fear is gripping the nation.
Those who have a vested professional interest in making us more angry and more tribal are winning. Or, they've won.
Your “tribal” bullshit is played the fuck out.
One “tribe” seeks to keep American American while the other “tribe” aims to redefine all that is America...NOBODY stands in the middle these days....this isn’t complicated, pick your fucking side already and commit.
I picked my side a long time ago. Against those who are tearing this country apart. Ideological fundamentalists like you, on both ends.

We have never been more tribal, and you've been manipulated right into it. Like a lemming.
Haha...Mac, you are so lost in your own twisted perceptions and ideals.
How difficult do you think it is to “manipulate” good, decent, real Americans into standing firmly against those trying to “fundamentally change” and redefine everything that is America?
Simple: By (a) robbing them of any curiosity they may have once had to search out contrary information, and (b) distorting the information provided to them as proxy, isolating them from reality.

This type of manipulation has been used on human beings for thousands of years, including Europe several decades ago. It works like a charm. At least for a while.
Seems to have worked on you.
You're free to point out examples. Go ahead. And please quote me.
I've read several of your posts here and you display the typical leftist contempt for anyone who doesn't think exactly as you want them to.
I have never seen you give serious consideration to any other viewpoint than own (if you ever have here, please post an example), and you treat anyone who doesn't buy the nonsense you and your cohort are pushing as if they are simple-minded. Which is ironic, since you seem to be carrying water for socialist/communists, which is the only type of governance that I know of, that has a 100% failure rate.


Now either you were "manipulated" by propaganda into believing this bullshit, or you simply are that stupid....... I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and going with "manipulated". But if you want to insist that is an expression of your own inherent stupidity, that's certainly fine with me.
Ironic, coming from a Trumpster.
Democrats are bigots. Haven't you figure that out yet Mac?
Many are. As I always say, the two ends of the spectrum share many behaviors.
Those with liberal tendencies are almost all bigots. When their opinions or beliefs or challenged, they lash out and they certainly don't want to entertain the idea that they may be wrong. This bigotry has permeated the business word, sports, etc.

I world for a large company. We had company wide conference call a few weeks ago and the executive level leader took it upon themselves to show support for BLM. If he would have taken the other side, many employees would have complained after the call and raised a big stink. Nobody said a word and nobody will because they know that you can't say anything against the leftist. They can't handle opposing views. Bigots, bigots everywhere.
Yes. Bigots, bigots everywhere. Unfortunately that's what I see too. On both ends of our political spectrum.
 

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This is America and we have armed thugs in the streets hurting people for political reasons.

We are used to hearing of such things in third-world countries but now it's happening here.
Are these the same 'butter wouldn't melt in their mouths', snowflakes?
Who I thought were spineless wimps and wouldn't say 'boo' to a goose?

O so their the 'too scared I'll piss my pants', 'Can't risk life and limb' weep, weep, to proclaim my support for Trump.
Republicans!

Obviously got it wrong!
 

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There are Biden and Trump signs in my neighborhood and everyone is still cordial to one another. Unfortunately, Irrational fear is gripping the nation.
Those who have a vested professional interest in making us more angry and more tribal are winning. Or, they've won.
Your “tribal” bullshit is played the fuck out.
One “tribe” seeks to keep American American while the other “tribe” aims to redefine all that is America...NOBODY stands in the middle these days....this isn’t complicated, pick your fucking side already and commit.
I picked my side a long time ago. Against those who are tearing this country apart. Ideological fundamentalists like you, on both ends.

We have never been more tribal, and you've been manipulated right into it. Like a lemming.
Haha...Mac, you are so lost in your own twisted perceptions and ideals.
How difficult do you think it is to “manipulate” good, decent, real Americans into standing firmly against those trying to “fundamentally change” and redefine everything that is America?
Simple: By (a) robbing them of any curiosity they may have once had to search out contrary information, and (b) distorting the information provided to them as proxy, isolating them from reality.

This type of manipulation has been used on human beings for thousands of years, including Europe several decades ago. It works like a charm. At least for a while.
Seems to have worked on you.
You're free to point out examples. Go ahead. And please quote me.
I've read several of your posts here and you display the typical leftist contempt for anyone who doesn't think exactly as you want them to.
I have never seen you give serious consideration to any other viewpoint than own (if you ever have here, please post an example), and you treat anyone who doesn't buy the nonsense you and your cohort are pushing as if they are simple-minded. Which is ironic, since you seem to be carrying water for socialist/communists, which is the only type of governance that I know of, that has a 100% failure rate.


Now either you were "manipulated" by propaganda into believing this bullshit, or you simply are that stupid....... I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and going with "manipulated". But if you want to insist that is an expression of your own inherent stupidity, that's certainly fine with me.
Ironic, coming from a Trumpster.
Democrats are bigots. Haven't you figure that out yet Mac?
A lot of them are, yeah.
 

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It's sad things have gotten this bad.

Democrats, be ashamed.

Oh, yes.

If I were asked whom I plan to vote for, I would either lie and say "Mr. Biden," or I would say that "I am still studying the platforms of both parties."

I certainly would never admit that I plan to vote for President Trump. And, of course, planting a Trump sign in front of my house would be an invitation to vandalism -- or worse.
 

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There are Biden and Trump signs in my neighborhood and everyone is still cordial to one another. Unfortunately, Irrational fear is gripping the nation.
Those who have a vested professional interest in making us more angry and more tribal are winning. Or, they've won.
Your “tribal” bullshit is played the fuck out.
One “tribe” seeks to keep American American while the other “tribe” aims to redefine all that is America...NOBODY stands in the middle these days....this isn’t complicated, pick your fucking side already and commit.
I picked my side a long time ago. Against those who are tearing this country apart. Ideological fundamentalists like you, on both ends.

We have never been more tribal, and you've been manipulated right into it. Like a lemming.
Haha...Mac, you are so lost in your own twisted perceptions and ideals.
How difficult do you think it is to “manipulate” good, decent, real Americans into standing firmly against those trying to “fundamentally change” and redefine everything that is America?
Simple: By (a) robbing them of any curiosity they may have once had to search out contrary information, and (b) distorting the information provided to them as proxy, isolating them from reality.

This type of manipulation has been used on human beings for thousands of years, including Europe several decades ago. It works like a charm. At least for a while.
Seems to have worked on you.
You're free to point out examples. Go ahead. And please quote me.
I've read several of your posts here and you display the typical leftist contempt for anyone who doesn't think exactly as you want them to.
I have never seen you give serious consideration to any other viewpoint than own (if you ever have here, please post an example), and you treat anyone who doesn't buy the nonsense you and your cohort are pushing as if they are simple-minded. Which is ironic, since you seem to be carrying water for socialist/communists, which is the only type of governance that I know of, that has a 100% failure rate.


Now either you were "manipulated" by propaganda into believing this bullshit, or you simply are that stupid....... I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and going with "manipulated". But if you want to insist that is an expression of your own inherent stupidity, that's certainly fine with me.
Ironic, coming from a Trumpster.
Democrats are bigots. Haven't you figure that out yet Mac?
Many are. As I always say, the two ends of the spectrum share many behaviors.
Those with liberal tendencies are almost all bigots. When their opinions or beliefs or challenged, they lash out and they certainly don't want to entertain the idea that they may be wrong. This bigotry has permeated the business word, sports, etc.

I work for a large company. We had company wide conference call a few weeks ago and the executive level leader took it upon themselves to show support for BLM. If he would have taken the other side, many employees would have complained after the call and raised a big stink. Nobody said a word and nobody will because they know that you can't say anything against the leftist. They can't handle opposing views. Bigots, bigots everywhere.
And you lack the balls to stand up and challenge them?
Maybe if you had the guts to make a stand, your colleagues might also find the courage to stand up along side you.

If it were me and that happened and was something I profoundly disagreed with, I wouldn't hesitate to call them out.
Job or no Job!
 

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And, of course, planting a Trump sign in front of my house would be an invitation to vandalism -- or worse.

I guess it depends on where you live. No problem in my area. Most are Trump supporters anyway. My neighbor has one in his front yard and we have a flag and a sign. Trump flags draped over balconies of 3+ million dollar homes on our lake.
 

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From the link;
"Obviously, the partisan reports about this incident make it unclear exactly what was going on. Nevertheless, these events provide and/or reinforce a number of very important lessons that should be strong warnings to all of us.

  • As far as I know, even though they were on the man's property without permission and disturbing the peace, none of the protesters were told to move on, much less arrested. Why not? One can only presume that local law enforcement has been instructed not to inflame the situation by arresting them. That's cold comfort to homeowners who want to secure their property and protect their families. I wrote about that some time ago, and I strongly suggest that you re-read both of those articles. Don't rely on the police to protect you, and don't rely on the prosecuting authorities to be on your side. In some parts of the country, political correctness may have turned them into your enemies. In such places, effectively, you're on your own.
  • If the claims are correct that the homeowner was displaying a Confederate flag and/or a Trump flag outside his residence, then he was effectively making himself a target. When you're in a highly-charged political environment, to identify yourself as strongly partisan is asking for trouble. Sure, you can stand on your First Amendment rights all you like - but hard-liners won't care about your rights. They're looking for a fight, and you're providing them with an excuse for one. As I've advised before, be a "gray man". Don't set out to be a "tall poppy" when you're in the midst of contested political territory, lest someone try to cut you down.
  • Don't draw or display a firearm unless you're legally entitled to do so. Remember, in many jurisdictions, even displaying a firearm is regarded as the use of lethal force, whether or not you aim or fire it. Where I live, state law explicitly authorizes me to use lethal force to defend my property under certain conditions, over and above typical "stand-your-ground" laws: but in other states, that's not always the case. Some even impose a "duty to retreat" rather than defend one's home. Make sure you know what the law(s) in your area permit(s) you to do, and - unless the situation is so dangerous that you have no choice - don't step outside those boundaries. If it is that dangerous, well, the old saying may apply: "Better to be judged by twelve [i.e. jurors] than carried by six [i.e. pallbearers]."
  • There have been innumerable incidents of rioters and protesters daring police and civilians to shoot them. They know most of us will find it very difficult to kill another human being, because we're fundamentally decent people at heart. They feel secure in pushing "good" people, because they've tested the limits before, and got away with it. Therefore, you need to understand before you touch a gun that if you carry it or pick it up in a defensive situation, you may have to use it. Have that clear in your mind up front, and follow through if necessary - otherwise they may take your gun away from you, and may even use it against you. In this incident, the homeowner tried to use a gun to threaten those invading his property, but it didn't work. In fact, it made his situation worse.
  • Don't be under the influence of any substance that might impair your judgment, reactions or ability to defend yourself. Not only does that affect your situation as far as law enforcement is concerned, it can also come back to bite you even if you legitimately and legally defend yourself. If post-incident results show that you were under the influence of anything at all, even legally prescribed medications, you can expect shyster attorneys (and shyster prosecutors, in some jurisdictions) to try to use that against you. The homeowner in this incident has brought big trouble upon himself by being drunk. If he'd used his firearm while under the influence, it would almost certainly have been used as grounds to bring a very serious felony charge against him.
  • Usually, your home is not your castle in terms of practical self-defense. If you're trapped in your house, it's far too easy for enemies to surround it, attempt entry through multiple doors and/or windows, and set fires all around it if they feel so inclined. If you have any inkling at all that such a situation might arise, get the hell out of there before it does! Take your family and your essential gear and go to a place where you'll be safer. Yes, you may lose your home - but you and your loved ones will still be alive, and can rebuild. There's a lot to be said for that!
  • Be sure to review your insurance policy, and make sure you're covered for damage or destruction caused by social or political unrest. Make sure the policy doesn't contain any weasel clauses that might let your insurers wiggle out of it. Be aware that overtly political displays or actions in a highly charged environment might trigger such clauses - and it'll cost you a fortune in lawyer's fees to fight them. If your policy is overly restrictive, you might want to take out better coverage before it's too late.
  • I've advised on many occasions that it's useful to form a team of like-minded individuals to protect yourselves and your homes. This incident illustrates that need perfectly. The home-owner was trapped inside, and couldn't do much in the way of effective defense - but if he'd had friends in the area, who were prepared to work together, they could have approached the mob from the sides or rear, and provided very effective interdiction. If things go to hell in a hand-basket in this country, that may become a vitally important tactical consideration. Talk to your friends, work out what you can do to defend each other's lives and homes, and practice it before you have to do it the hard way. A team can do a lot more, and be much more effective, than a single individual or family.

Finally, it might be a good idea to ensure that rioters, protestors and demonstrators are reminded of what might happen if they push things too far. I don't think they have any idea what will happen to them if Mr. and Mrs. Average American decide they've had enough. I suspect it won't be pretty.

Peter"
 

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It's sad things have gotten this bad.

Democrats, be ashamed.

You are a good son! Let your father know that internal polls show Trump is running away with this election. The only way that Biden and the Left wins, is if they steal it, which they of course, will try to do!

That being said, it is up to Trump and the GOP to prevent that from happening. All we can do is vote. The Democrats are aware that LEGALLY they are behind. That is why hidin Biden came out of the basement.

We are the leaders we have been waiting for! If we allow the Left to pull this off ILLEGALLY, then why debate/argue any longer? We will win, and still lose.

It is ALL of our country. If they have to steal votes to win, that tells you how weak they really are.

Let the GOP and lawyers handle it. Just do your part and vote!
 

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