I think arming 12 and 13 years olds is a GREAT idea!

[rdean]

I was watching a video of a kid who just turned 13 try to buy beer, lottery tickets, girlie magazines, and cigarettes. Of course, every time he was turned away as too young.

Then he went to a gun show and in a couple of minutes walked out with the rifle of his choice.

I think he could have bought those items if he bought the rifle first, don't you?

And you will see kids younger than that with guns and using them during hunting season here in KY. You stay on the rag more than anyone I know. Get over it. People are going to own guns.

Guns they buy themselves without their parents knowing? Got it. Nice to know you "approve".

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Once again for the slow and stupid it is against the law for anyone under 18 to buy firearms.

 

[flacaltenn]

Regardless of the law or constitution, do you guys think its odd that we dont allow 13 yr olds to do a lot of potentially dangerous things but we do allow them to operate a device that potentially can take a human life?

Law allows kids to solo an airplane at 16. An ultralight at age 8. A snowboard or skis is apotentially lethal weapon. Having coached 12 to 18 yr olds in marksmanship, I've never witnessed a breach of trust. And I had their attention to safety issues at all times. Biggest lapse was kids taking out the wooden legs on the target stands or an occasional snake.

Its actually a parents dream to know they understand the seriousness of the situation. Wouldnt put a kid on a lawn tractor if I couldnt trust him out shooting targets or skeet.

For those who arent destined to have a HS letter jacket, its another chance to be good at something. We should be doing more of this.

 

[Asclepias]

Regardless of the law or constitution, do you guys think its odd that we dont allow 13 yr olds to do a lot of potentially dangerous things but we do allow them to operate a device that potentially can take a human life?

Law allows kids to solo an airplane at 16. An ultralight at age 8. A snowboard or skis is apotentially lethal weapon. Having coached 12 to 18 yr olds in marksmanship, I've never witnessed a breach of trust. And I had their attention to safety issues at all times. Biggest lapse was kids taking out the wooden legs on the target stands or an occasional snake.

Its actually a parents dream to know they understand the seriousness of the situation. Wouldnt put a kid on a lawn tractor if I couldnt trust him out shooting targets or skeet.

For those who arent destined to have a HS letter jacket, its another chance to be good at something. We should be doing more of this.

Good point.

 

[rdean]

Once again for the slow and stupid it is against the law for anyone under 18 to buy firearms.

Would you stop saying that? You know you are lying. Kids can legally buy guns at many gun shows. How many links do I have to post to get it through your thick skull?

Vermont, however, stands out from the pack because it allows people as young as 16 to conceal carry without parental permission, as well as buy handguns. So a Vermont teenager aged 16 can't legally go to an R-rated movie alone or join the military, but he can buy a handgun and carry it in his jeans and be completely within the limits of the law.

Federal law mandates that licensed gun dealers only sell long guns to individuals 18 and older, and handguns to individuals 21 and older. But not all legal gun sellers are federally licensed. For instance, many gun show participants sell guns legally without a federal license. That means that many under 18 and 21 are capable of buying guns legally.

The age is usually set at 18, but in New York it's only 16, and in Montana it's 14. So in Helena, one can legally own a shotgun before graduating from 8th grade. And in the 30 states with no such minimum age, you could own one when you're in elementary school.

The 6 craziest state gun laws

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You give ex military a bad name. Spouting bullshit when you could look up anything you want and actually know what you are talking about.

 

[Sunshine]

I wonder if rdean has a problem with a 13 year old getting an abortion in a state like say California, where fetal homicide is against the law and has been successfully prosecuted?
Just wondering.

I'm sure he's perfectly fine with it. The more the better! Knock up all the teens you can. Kill all the babies you want. He's a disgusting piece of shit. I would like to get to vote on a referendum to abort grown able bodied pieces of shit like him who won't turn a hand, but lives every day of his miserable little life off the taxpayers.

 

[Sunshine]

I was watching a video of a kid who just turned 13 try to buy beer, lottery tickets, girlie magazines, and cigarettes. Of course, every time he was turned away as too young.

Then he went to a gun show and in a couple of minutes walked out with the rifle of his choice.

I think he could have bought those items if he bought the rifle first, don't you?

And you will see kids younger than that with guns and using them during hunting season here in KY. You stay on the rag more than anyone I know. Get over it. People are going to own guns.

Guns they buy themselves without their parents knowing? Got it. Nice to know you "approve".

How do you know the parents didn't know? Hmm, you little shithead welfare queen? How do you know that? Answer, you don't. And it is that stupidity and complete lack of insight that causes you to be unable to do anything but live off the taxpayers. Maybe dad was working and sent the son to buy the gun.

One of the big problems in this country is the post war creation of the 'American Teenager.' There is absolutely no use whatsoever for a teenager in this society. In my grandmother's day they were marrying, working the farms, caring for family members, and being useful members of society. Now they are 'children' with no skills, no motivation, and nothing but time on their hands. Some use that time to develop themselves into productive citizens, but you and your kind are nothing but lazy worthless slugs who become gangs on the streets or on message boards and live off the ones who put effort into becoming someone.,

 

[Spoonman]

I was watching a video of a kid who just turned 13 try to buy beer, lottery tickets, girlie magazines, and cigarettes. Of course, every time he was turned away as too young.

Then he went to a gun show and in a couple of minutes walked out with the rifle of his choice.

I think he could have bought those items if he bought the rifle first, don't you?

well of course your story is bullshit, but hey, we keep giving them birth control and engourageing them to have sex at younger and younger ages.

 

[flacaltenn]

Once again for the slow and stupid it is against the law for anyone under 18 to buy firearms.

Would you stop saying that? You know you are lying. Kids can legally buy guns at many gun shows. How many links do I have to post to get it through your thick skull?

Vermont, however, stands out from the pack because it allows people as young as 16 to conceal carry without parental permission, as well as buy handguns. So a Vermont teenager aged 16 can't legally go to an R-rated movie alone or join the military, but he can buy a handgun and carry it in his jeans and be completely within the limits of the law.

Federal law mandates that licensed gun dealers only sell long guns to individuals 18 and older, and handguns to individuals 21 and older. But not all legal gun sellers are federally licensed. For instance, many gun show participants sell guns legally without a federal license. That means that many under 18 and 21 are capable of buying guns legally.

The age is usually set at 18, but in New York it's only 16, and in Montana it's 14. So in Helena, one can legally own a shotgun before graduating from 8th grade. And in the 30 states with no such minimum age, you could own one when you're in elementary school.

The 6 craziest state gun laws

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You give ex military a bad name. Spouting bullshit when you could look up anything you want and actually know what you are talking about.

Let's follow this thru Deanie.. HOW OLD do you have to be in those states to BUY A TICKET for a Gun Show WITHOUT parental escort? Do you think kids of all ages are allowed in to fondle expensive goods WITHOUT AN ADULT? Let's see how thick your skull is...

 

[kwc57]

You keep saying cheers but you keep coming back.
You still havent explained what the second amendment had to do with my original post. Can you tie it all together for those of us with lower intellects or is it you just didn't know what the hell you were talking about?

I'm kind of like a cat with a mouse. I like to keep toying with you and slapping you around. It's your post assclap, how can you not understand it's meaning? You're bemonaing that he can buy a gun when he can't even buy a lottery ticket. My response is he has a constitutional right to purchase a weapon. No such right exists for purchasing a lotto ticket. Now you know......again.

Well like I pointed out to you the first time. You should ask for clarification before assuming. I was not bemoaning anything. What makes you think I was bemoaning? How stupid do you feel now?

Your words.

 

[Asclepias]

I'm kind of like a cat with a mouse. I like to keep toying with you and slapping you around. It's your post assclap, how can you not understand it's meaning? You're bemonaing that he can buy a gun when he can't even buy a lottery ticket. My response is he has a constitutional right to purchase a weapon. No such right exists for purchasing a lotto ticket. Now you know......again.

Well like I pointed out to you the first time. You should ask for clarification before assuming. I was not bemoaning anything. What makes you think I was bemoaning? How stupid do you feel now?

Your words.

Whats bemoaning about my words? "It puts things in perspective...". Sounds pretty objective and matter of fact to me. I know the internet does not readily avail itself to inflection but you are not very perceptive are you? Or maybe you dont know what bemoans means. Which is it?

 

[kwc57]

Regardless of the law or constitution, do you guys think its odd that we dont allow 13 yr olds to do a lot of potentially dangerous things but we do allow them to operate a device that potentially can take a human life?

No, not when you teach them to respect firearms and how to operate them safely.....as well as proficiently. This will put it in perspective for you.

Girl, 11, shoots cougar that was following her brother in Washington State | Mail Online

Liberals need to understand that the scary boomsticks are not always used for evil purposes. The majority of the time they are used for recreation and defense by responsible gun owners.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

We use to ride around on dirt bikes with a shotgun or .22 depending on what we were hunting at 12.
Cops would just wave.
Sucks what has happened to our country.

 

[rdean]

I wonder if rdean has a problem with a 13 year old getting an abortion in a state like say California, where fetal homicide is against the law and has been successfully prosecuted?
Just wondering.

I'm sure he's perfectly fine with it. The more the better! Knock up all the teens you can. Kill all the babies you want. He's a disgusting piece of shit. I would like to get to vote on a referendum to abort grown able bodied pieces of shit like him who won't turn a hand, but lives every day of his miserable little life off the taxpayers.

In high school, I knew a girl whose father beat her unconscious and shaved her head because he heard a rumor she had sex. He put her in Juvie until her hair grew out and the bruises faded. He didn't replace the tooth he knocked out. I knew her for many years. In those days, children were pretty much property. There weren't the child protection laws that exist today.

If she had gotten pregnant, I'm sure your kind would have been thrilled if he tortured her to death. Tell us how you see him doing it.

Then there is your other solution. She could have killed herself and spared him the humiliation. Tell us the best way. How you would have counseled her to kill herself.

 

[rdean]

I wonder if rdean has a problem with a 13 year old getting an abortion in a state like say California, where fetal homicide is against the law and has been successfully prosecuted?
Just wondering.

Like I told "Sunshine", in high school, I knew a girl whose father beat her unconscious and shaved her head because he heard a rumor she had sex. He put her in Juvie until her hair grew out and the bruises faded. He didn't replace the tooth he knocked out. I knew her for many years. In those days, children were pretty much property. There weren't the child protection laws that exist today.

So tell us. How would you protect that girl from a father who would do such things? What did you say? You wouldn't? That she would get what what deserved? Do you feel she should kill herself instead? How? Shot to the head? She could hang herself. Cut her wrists. Or tell her father and give him the pleasure.

Go ahead. Tell us how you would counsel her. Would you tell her to let dad kill her or should she kill herself. We know she couldn't run away. They would just bring her back and hand her over to her father.

Come on you turds. Tell us what you would do.

 

[flacaltenn]

I wonder if rdean has a problem with a 13 year old getting an abortion in a state like say California, where fetal homicide is against the law and has been successfully prosecuted?
Just wondering.

Like I told "Sunshine", in high school, I knew a girl whose father beat her unconscious and shaved her head because he heard a rumor she had sex. He put her in Juvie until her hair grew out and the bruises faded. He didn't replace the tooth he knocked out. I knew her for many years. In those days, children were pretty much property. There weren't the child protection laws that exist today.

So tell us. How would you protect that girl from a father who would do such things? What did you say? You wouldn't? That she would get what what deserved? Do you feel she should kill herself instead? How? Shot to the head? She could hang herself. Cut her wrists. Or tell her father and give him the pleasure.

Go ahead. Tell us how you would counsel her. Would you tell her to let dad kill her or should she kill herself. We know she couldn't run away. They would just bring her back and hand her over to her father.

Come on you turds. Tell us what you would do.

The State of Whereeveryousprouted is not her Daddy or Mommy.. UNLESS she wants to TELL THEM about the abuse. And something sucks about your UNDERSTANDING of the story. (or mine).. Because even back in WhenEverYouGrewUp (if you have), no "juvy" would have taken in a battered kid for physical rehab without charging the parents.

Are you fleeing the thread or just trying to make folks sad???

 

[alan1]

I wonder if rdean has a problem with a 13 year old getting an abortion in a state like say California, where fetal homicide is against the law and has been successfully prosecuted?
Just wondering.

Like I told "Sunshine", in high school, I knew a girl whose father beat her unconscious and shaved her head because he heard a rumor she had sex. He put her in Juvie until her hair grew out and the bruises faded. He didn't replace the tooth he knocked out. I knew her for many years. In those days, children were pretty much property. There weren't the child protection laws that exist today.

So tell us. How would you protect that girl from a father who would do such things? What did you say? You wouldn't? That she would get what what deserved? Do you feel she should kill herself instead? How? Shot to the head? She could hang herself. Cut her wrists. Or tell her father and give him the pleasure.

Go ahead. Tell us how you would counsel her. Would you tell her to let dad kill her or should she kill herself. We know she couldn't run away. They would just bring her back and hand her over to her father.

Come on you turds. Tell us what you would do.

Had I known something like that, I'd have gone to the police with it. Did you? If not,
What held you back from helping her?

I'm guessing that what held you back is that you just made up a lie to try and prove your point(less). Or maybe you are a coward. Or maybe you didn't care.

 

[Sunshine]

I wonder if rdean has a problem with a 13 year old getting an abortion in a state like say California, where fetal homicide is against the law and has been successfully prosecuted?
Just wondering.

Like I told "Sunshine", in high school, I knew a girl whose father beat her unconscious and shaved her head because he heard a rumor she had sex. He put her in Juvie until her hair grew out and the bruises faded. He didn't replace the tooth he knocked out. I knew her for many years. In those days, children were pretty much property. There weren't the child protection laws that exist today.

So tell us. How would you protect that girl from a father who would do such things? What did you say? You wouldn't? That she would get what what deserved? Do you feel she should kill herself instead? How? Shot to the head? She could hang herself. Cut her wrists. Or tell her father and give him the pleasure.

Go ahead. Tell us how you would counsel her. Would you tell her to let dad kill her or should she kill herself. We know she couldn't run away. They would just bring her back and hand her over to her father.

Come on you turds. Tell us what you would do.

I would not make up a story like that and post it on a message board. Do you realize that you have just implicated yourself as an accessory to a crime.

 

[rdean]

I wonder if rdean has a problem with a 13 year old getting an abortion in a state like say California, where fetal homicide is against the law and has been successfully prosecuted?
Just wondering.

Like I told "Sunshine", in high school, I knew a girl whose father beat her unconscious and shaved her head because he heard a rumor she had sex. He put her in Juvie until her hair grew out and the bruises faded. He didn't replace the tooth he knocked out. I knew her for many years. In those days, children were pretty much property. There weren't the child protection laws that exist today.

So tell us. How would you protect that girl from a father who would do such things? What did you say? You wouldn't? That she would get what what deserved? Do you feel she should kill herself instead? How? Shot to the head? She could hang herself. Cut her wrists. Or tell her father and give him the pleasure.

Go ahead. Tell us how you would counsel her. Would you tell her to let dad kill her or should she kill herself. We know she couldn't run away. They would just bring her back and hand her over to her father.

Come on you turds. Tell us what you would do.

The State of Whereeveryousprouted is not her Daddy or Mommy.. UNLESS she wants to TELL THEM about the abuse. And something sucks about your UNDERSTANDING of the story. (or mine).. Because even back in WhenEverYouGrewUp (if you have), no "juvy" would have taken in a battered kid for physical rehab without charging the parents.

Are you fleeing the thread or just trying to make folks sad???

Bull fucking shit. That shows how much you know.

50 years ago, there weren't the laws protecting children. Child services was almost unheard of. It wasn't that long ago labor unions were able to pass child labor laws. When right wingers see what we have today, they don't connect it to what liberals have done in the past. When you see laws protecting children, minorities, women, gays or whoever, it was NEVER conservatives who worked to pass those laws. I could even see conservatives throwing helpless mentally ill people right out into the street.

Ronald Reagan and the Commitment of the Mentally Ill: <br>Capital, Interest Groups, and the Eclipse of Social Policy

Critics of Community Mental Health charged that in the rush to shrink the state hospital population, many patients were released prematurely (Robitscher, 1976; Yarvis et al, 1978). Some patients went off their medications after being released into the community. The criteria of "dangerousness" for civil commitment also meant that some patients who needed treatment but were not a danger could not be committed. As a result, patients whose behavior was considered odd by the community in which they lived were increasingly arrested for bothersome and minor infractions such as vagrancy. These individuals were thus detained in the criminal justice system rather than the mental health system (Abramson, 1972; Conrad and Schneider, 1980).

Even today:

Former judge sentenced to prison for kids for cash scheme | Reuters

There are two types of Republicans. The scum of the earth we will fuck you over type and the sheeple who put them into office.

 

[rdean]

I wonder if rdean has a problem with a 13 year old getting an abortion in a state like say California, where fetal homicide is against the law and has been successfully prosecuted?
Just wondering.

Like I told "Sunshine", in high school, I knew a girl whose father beat her unconscious and shaved her head because he heard a rumor she had sex. He put her in Juvie until her hair grew out and the bruises faded. He didn't replace the tooth he knocked out. I knew her for many years. In those days, children were pretty much property. There weren't the child protection laws that exist today.

So tell us. How would you protect that girl from a father who would do such things? What did you say? You wouldn't? That she would get what what deserved? Do you feel she should kill herself instead? How? Shot to the head? She could hang herself. Cut her wrists. Or tell her father and give him the pleasure.

Go ahead. Tell us how you would counsel her. Would you tell her to let dad kill her or should she kill herself. We know she couldn't run away. They would just bring her back and hand her over to her father.

Come on you turds. Tell us what you would do.

I would not make up a story like that and post it on a message board. Do you realize that you have just implicated yourself as an accessory to a crime.

45 years ago, it was considered "discipline" and not a crime.

But look at what you said you disgusting turd:

Knock up all the teens you can. Kill all the babies you want. He's a disgusting piece of shit. I would like to get to vote on a referendum to abort grown able bodied pieces of shit like him who won't turn a hand, but lives every day of his miserable little life off the taxpayers.

and in your very next post:

One of the big problems in this country is the post war creation of the 'American Teenager.' There is absolutely no use whatsoever for a teenager in this society. In my grandmother's day they were marrying, working the farms, caring for family members, and being useful members of society. Now they are 'children' with no skills, no motivation, and nothing but time on their hands. Some use that time to develop themselves into productive citizens, but you and your kind are nothing but lazy worthless slugs who become gangs on the streets or on message boards and live off the ones who put effort into becoming someone.,
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You are dirty. A terrible person. If there is a crime here, it's having to share air with lowlife such as yourself. And your kind calls me a "hater". Ha!