I may have gotten the impeachment thing all wrong

[The Original Tree]

Were you looking for the same from the Democrats during the actual impeachment process, and not the trial?

Sorry but tiky tak stuff started in the House has to be continued in the Senate, or the Republicans might as well all just resign.

That’s a childish way to look at it. It expect our leaders to strive to be better... not degrade their discourse down to playground level because somebody else does it too

What you are asking for is one side to lay down and expose it's belly after the other side bared their teeth and growled.

Sorry, but its the reality of the situation.

im just asking for our gov to be transparent and honest. I’m not expecting it to happen

In this post you are asking Senate Republicans for that after House Democrats were not.

yes, of course... I’ll always ask members of any party for honesty and transparency. I don’t accept the “they did it so we can do it” excuse. Learned that in grade school.

Since when has Honesty and Transparency been a character trait of The Modern Democrat Party?

 

[easyt65]

No statutory crime is needed to impeach, Trump chose to not present his case or MATERIAL witnesses in the house, witnesses are not called to tell us their opinions on impeachment or crimes, they are called for evidence gathering purpose.

Democrats called a host of people to testify in their Impeachment hearings - NONE of them had direct knowledge of the phone call between the President and the Ukraine PM. None of them had anything of value to present except hearsay and biased opinion. The Democrats failed to produce a crime / High Crime and / or Misdemeanor, failed to provide any evidence, and failed to provide any actual witnesses.

The House Democrats attempted to find and have testify witnesses who had direct knowledge of the phone call - they could not find any.

Similar to Hillary's blaming others for losing the election yet having no proof, Democrats seek to blame the GOP and President for failing to find evidence / witnesses.

You - as are the Democrats - continue to operate under the Un-Constitutional Socialist / Democrat belief that Americans are 'Guilty until PROVEN Innocent'.

Schiff and Nadler are doing their best to assert that President Trump is 'Guilty until proven innocent', declaring the evidence to support their claim MIGHT be in documents they do not have because they are not entitled to them....so we just have to 'trust them' that the evidence they LACK is 'there'.

In their opening remarks and in the arguments for more 'fishing', the Democrats openly admitted they do not have any evidence or witnesses, no justification warranting the removal of the President from office.

Instead of witnesses or evidence, Schiff attempted to present his own personally-authored fictional transcript of the phone call.....

Instead of witnesses and evidence supporting a claim of 'abuse of power' regarding Ukraine, last night Schiff and the House Coup Managers dragged back up the debunked 'Russian Collusion Delusion', the one destroyed by the Weismann-Mueller report and Mueller testimony...proving they just can't let their false narrative / lie go.



The Founding Fathers declared the requirement for Impeachment was overwhelming evidence of 'Crimes / High Crimes and Misdemeanors'.
- The Democrats have admitted, after vowing 5 minutes after he took his oath of office they would Impeach President Trump, their Impeachment is 'POLITICAL'.

Speaker Pelosi declared HER requirements for Impeachment were overwhelming evidence and bipartisanship.
- She lied, The Democrats proved they have no evidence, and even one of heir own switched parties over their disgust for this partisan assault on the Constitution

Schiff and Nadler declared the Russians' goal was to rip apart this country, which is EXACTLY what Speaker Pelosi admitted proceeding with Impeachment would do...yet without meeting either the Founding Fathers' or their OWN Impeachment requirements, they chose to rip the country apart for their own party's gain, dividing the nation these last 4 years more than the Russians ever could by themselves.

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[Nostra]

I don’t need to abandon anything. You made a horrible point. Executive priv gets enforced to questions and documents that cross that line. It does not get used to completely ignore subpoenas.

The only thing about my point that is 'horrible' is the fact that you don't like that I pointed out how Barry used the same Executive Privilege when he ordered then US AG Holder to refuse to release documents regarding Fast and Furious, that Democrats and snowflakes defended that use of Executive Privilege, but now you bitch and whine about it because this time it doe NOT benefit the Democrats.

Forget 'Executive Privilege' and the House Impeachment Manager's demand for more 'fishing' for something that MIGHT exist - it is all irrelevant and a complete distraction...

The House voted to Impeach the US President based on their already existing case - existing information they had / have. The U Senate is now asking the Democrats / House to present THAT case, THAT information - the case / information that was their foundation / justification for Impeaching the President.

THAT case, THAT evidence either warrants / justifies Impeachment or it does NOT.

WHY are the House Democrats refusing to present THAT case, THAT information?

They are presenting that case. The docs and witnesses they are asking for are just further credible accounts of what happened. We should all want to see it. You especially because it would vindicate trump without the appearance of the cover up which it currently looks like he is doing.

The problem here is that the witnesses will not vindicate trump.

How do you know what the witnesses would say?

If trump was innocent and if they were not complicit, they would have testified to congress.

Bullshit. Pure TDS induced speculation.

 

[Ame®icano]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

they have their case with their articles. They were blocked from getting supporting evidence in the house. I think it completely reasonable for the senate to allow the subpoena of documents and witnesses. Also very reasonable to let a Republican appointed Supreme Court justice determine whether witnesses are material or not. The fact that the Reps blocked that completely shows their cards.

No, they were not blocked. They were challenged in the court. They used that challenge to form and file "obstruction of Congress" Article.

Reasonable, says who? You see, when Dems are not in control they're trying to change the rules so nobody is in control. But when they have control, oh boy, they will shove it down your throat and make you suffer.

 

[RealDave]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

 

[martybegan]

Yup. It was up to the House to make the case, not the Senate. If the House didn't do its job then to bad.

Nobody is asking the senate to make the case. That’s up to the house managers to do. They just want permission to access and present all evidence during the trial

Fuck you are not picking anything up, are you? That has already been done. That phase is OVER. They already Impeached him. They don't need anymore evidence. They obviously have enough. It was OVERWHELMING. Debating the removal of a president in the Senate doesn't include fucking DISCOVERY. Get over it.

Stop being a partisan hack

Listen to yourself. I have no partisan agenda here. I don’t want Trump removed from office. I want him voted out. But I do want the truth to come out. Why don’t you?

Where was your pursuit for the truth during the House Impeachment phase?

i made plenty of critical posts and started threads about that. But my hypocrisy or fair judgement really has nothing to do with debating the topic at hand... let’s stick to the subject. I dont see you making many arguments defending the left but I’m not going to turn every topic into a hypocrisy debate.

I'm not a neutral player here, and fully admit it.

Dems started this farce, made their part of it as partisan as possible, and are now mewling for the part controlled by Republicans to be bipartisan.

Sorry, that bird don't fly.

No peace with Bonaparte.

 

[The Original Tree]

The only thing about my point that is 'horrible' is the fact that you don't like that I pointed out how Barry used the same Executive Privilege when he ordered then US AG Holder to refuse to release documents regarding Fast and Furious, that Democrats and snowflakes defended that use of Executive Privilege, but now you bitch and whine about it because this time it doe NOT benefit the Democrats.

Forget 'Executive Privilege' and the House Impeachment Manager's demand for more 'fishing' for something that MIGHT exist - it is all irrelevant and a complete distraction...

The House voted to Impeach the US President based on their already existing case - existing information they had / have. The U Senate is now asking the Democrats / House to present THAT case, THAT information - the case / information that was their foundation / justification for Impeaching the President.

THAT case, THAT evidence either warrants / justifies Impeachment or it does NOT.

WHY are the House Democrats refusing to present THAT case, THAT information?

They are presenting that case. The docs and witnesses they are asking for are just further credible accounts of what happened. We should all want to see it. You especially because it would vindicate trump without the appearance of the cover up which it currently looks like he is doing.

The problem here is that the witnesses will not vindicate trump.

That's not true. The "star witnesses" in the House already vindicated Trump.

And Trump doesn't have to vindicate himself. The House has to prove he was guilty of a crime. Their two impeachment charges do not involve crimes. They basically impeached him because he won in 2016, and they think that if the don't impeach him now, he'll get reelected in 2020.

No, they don't have to prove he was guilty of a crime. He is being impeached because he violated his oath of office.

Another "It's not about the proof and evidence, it's about the accusations" moron.

I kind of like this Translation of Pelosi's Offcial Politburo statement:

Pelosi:

"It's not about Truth or Proof, It's All About The Accusations!"

Sounds Like.....

"You have to vote for it, before you can see what is in it"

If ever a demon indwelt a human being, surely Pelosi willingly allowed her own possession.

 

[martybegan]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

How would the Senate be able to "unblock"?

Both have the same subpoena power, did the dems use it?

 

[RealDave]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

they have their case with their articles. They were blocked from getting supporting evidence in the house. I think it completely reasonable for the senate to allow the subpoena of documents and witnesses. Also very reasonable to let a Republican appointed Supreme Court justice determine whether witnesses are material or not. The fact that the Reps blocked that completely shows their cards.

No, they were not blocked. They were challenged in the court. They used that challenge to form and file "obstruction of Congress" Article.

Reasonable, says who? You see, when Dems are not in control they're trying to change the rules so nobody is in control. But when they have control, oh boy, they will shove it down your throat and make you suffer.

Did they testify? No
Why?
Because Trump said no.

 

[Slade3200]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

House has impeached President and submitted two Articles to the Senate based on "overwhelming evidence".

Senate job is to review "overwhelming evidence" that those two Articles are based on, and not to investigate if there is maybe something else. The investigation is House's job, and if they didn't finish the investigation, they shouldn't have rushed with impeachment.

I didn’t see the word “trial” in your reply. You know the word from the constitution. Why not just be straight forward and honest. What you did was pure spin.


Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7 provide:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

 

[Nostra]

One of these things is not like the others:

1. Airtight
2. Incontrovertible
3. Overwhelming
4. We need to call witnesses and access documents!!

Ooh....oohPick me, pick me

 

[RealDave]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

How would the Senate be able to "unblock"?

Both have the same subpoena power, did the dems use it?

Trump might allow if he felt the Republicans had his back and thought they could control it.

 

[The Original Tree]

I’ve been pretty outspoken on how bad of an idea I thought this impeachment move would be for our government and our country. I saw the transition from the House to the Republican controlled Senate bringing a change in focus from Trumps actions to Biden corruption. It doesn’t appear that the Republicans are taking that route. I’ve seen the conservative media blitz working overtime on Biden corruption trying to shine the spotlight on that narrative, that tactic is in full swing, but in the capitol it looks like a race to dismissal.

It was rather astonishing to listen to the Republicans dismiss amendment after amendment after clear documentation and witnesses were presented that would add direct supporting material to the accusations.

It is very clear that the Republicans are not interested in finding the truth, seeing the facts, or even allowing the Dems to use the facts to present their case. They seem to just want to defend the president and dismiss the case. It stinks to high heaven and coming from somebody who doesn’t think Trump should be impeached I will say this path that Trump and the Reps are going down is looking more and more like a dirty cover up. When I first heard the Dems use that term it sounded like political hyperbole... After day 1 it’s sounding pretty spot on

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

No Means No, DAVE!

 

[Nostra]

The Democrats are tying to save an election from going like the 2016 election when a foreign country (Russia) interfered in the election.

You mean, in 2016 when Obama did nothing to stop Putin?

 

[easyt65]

If trump was innocent and if they were not complicit, they would have testified to congress.

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[The Original Tree]

The amendments were designed to drag the process out as far as possible, add new charges not part of the articles, and basically make the whole thing a shit show. If they allowed one side to bring in new evidence, they would have opened a floodgate.

The House was supposed to make it's case via the articles themselves, not with added bullshit afterwards.

Marty hates the truth. He knows additional witnesses would just confirm the impeachment charges. Msrtuy wuill do anything to save his orange buddy.

Why weren't those witnesses brought up during the House hearings?

This isn't a show, it's a trial. If your side wasn't ready before the indictment, that's on you.

Because your fat assed POS orange buddy blocked it.

How would the Senate be able to "unblock"?

Both have the same subpoena power, did the dems use it?

Trump might allow if he felt the Republicans had his back and thought they could control it.

Trump does not have to allow anything The Constitution tells him he does not have to allow. Try reading that document some time, and maybe you will start acting like an American again, if indeed you are actually an American.

I find that hard to believe, Frankly.

 

[Nostra]

They are presenting that case. The docs and witnesses they are asking for are just further credible accounts of what happened. We should all want to see it. You especially because it would vindicate trump without the appearance of the cover up which it currently looks like he is doing.

The problem here is that the witnesses will not vindicate trump.

How do you know what the witnesses would say?

If trump was innocent and if they were not complicit, they would have testified to congress.

How are you so fucking stupid ?

If the Klan were in charge, would a black person just walk in there and volunteer information that would absolutely be twisted to fit some fucked up narrative ?

NO.

If the house were really interested in justice, they never would have started this bullshit. There is nothing there.

Russia....

Collusion......

Taxes....

And a host of other attempts to get him...all manufactured by the motherfucking left....who have avowed to get rid of him before he ever stepped into the WH. Your poster girl for stupid, Max Waters....leading the way.

You are a left winger.....I guess that answers my initial question.

Your analogy isn't even close. The klan is not constitutionally bound to question, investigate and impeach blacks if our actions have been shown to be in violation of our code. Think before you post idiot. None of the things trump has been accused of is manufactured. If Don McGaun, Hope Hicks and a few others would have been allowed to testify, trump would have been Impeached earlier. Trump has obstructed justice every step of the way and you just idiot enough to claim this has happened because there is no proof.

Your TDS is terminal...........and has rotted what little brain you have left.

 

[easyt65]

You mean, in 2016 when Obama did nothing to stop Putin?

2016? He knew what the Russians were doing back in 2014!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

NOPE!

the House acts as prosecutors and grand juries, they investigate and decide if high crimes and misdemeanors have met a ''probable cause'' burden needed, in order to place charges.

the Senate tries the defendant, acting as jurors and judges.

the Senate is where all evidence supporting the charges is presented and given to them, and all exculpatory evidence the defense team may have, gets presented and turned over as well.There is no rule that it has to only be evidence the House collected before the impeachment vote.

(no prosecutor stops collecting evidence after he has charged a person, he continues to collect new evidence and submits it thru the trial)

the Senate has a much greater burden than the House with their votes, because the senators can only convict with the standard of ''BEYOND a reasonable doubt'' not simply a ''probable cause'' like the House.

the trial stage is where even more evidence needs presented in order to reach that much higher burden of proof, to convict.

Holding material evidence back is not what happens in trials, presenting all the evidence you got and some, is needed by both sides, in order for Senators to get to the truth, and make their impartial, fair, just, and sound verdict.

That's all very nice, but is any of it true?

The only provisions found are, the House has the sole power to impeach, and the Senate has the sole power to try all impeachments. Just about the only rule is, there's a super-majority required to convict. That is it. Just as there is no rule there be only House-collected evidence in the trial, there is no rule as to the applicable evidentiary standards in either the House or the Senate. They can follow whatever standards they wish to apply, or no standards at all, provided they have the votes.

That is to say, the Senate is well within Constitutional language to acquit despite overwhelming evidence of guilt, despite the most egregious abuses of power, and also to convict based on the flimsiest of evidence for the most inconsequential personal foibles. That's just how it is. Just about the only remedy for either is an electorate sufficiently dissatisfied with either course to throw the bums out the next opportunity they get. That's the meaning of the phrase, "The Senate is also on trial."

So, what we are seeing in the Senate is not a trial analogous to the proceedings of a court of law, but a fight before the court of public opinion for the public support for the respective sides' judgment in light of "evidence" provided, or narratives promulgated, as the case may be. The claim to be in search of "evidence" - in the form of documents or witness testimonies - is one way to go about it, hinting at a trial before a court of law analogy, just as is the denigration of, and the lying about, the House procedures. In the end, what Schiff & Co. are doing is not pursuing a "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard, but to make the clown show on behalf of the president as unreasonable and unsupportable as it actually is, so as to convince as many as possible out of the Goobers' electorate that the Senate majority will vote to acquit because they are as corrupt as is Trump. Because, according to every reasonable standard, and by their overwhelming majority, they are.

I don't believe there is a clearly defined evidentiary standard for Senate impeachment trials. Each Senator is expected to vote their conscience in accordance with their oath.

STANDARD OF PROOF IN SENATE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS

 

[Nostra]

trump has been impeached. There was no attempt to overthrow or reverse. We the real people, want trump to stop blocking witnesses.

Tell your House Clowns they should have gone to court to get a ruling to make them testify.

Why do you hate the American Constitutional system?