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"It's amazing. Such incompetence is worse than anything I've ever seen in six administrations," Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said at a news briefing. "At some point, this administration has got to stop saying we'll hire or appoint political cronies, but we'll actually appoint somebody who knows how to make the government work."
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Lawmakers from both parties said Wednesday the Bush administration should provide money and take responsibility for the data security breach involving nearly all active-duty military, Guard and Reserve members.
jasendorf said:OK, I'll bite on your little trolling expedition dmp... who should take the blame for this breach of security? Who's head should roll?
jasendorf said:OK, I'll bite on your little trolling expedition dmp... who should take the blame for this breach of security? Who's head should roll?
no1tovote4 said:The idiot that first of all allowed them to collect data on millions, most of which never applied for help from the VA. He is a bureaucrat that has worked there through several administrations. Also the idiot that took home a computer that they were not supposed to. When I was working at a government agency, had I removed information that I wasn't supposed to have I would have been in prison....
How can you possibly think that this type of direct decision is somehow Bush's fault?
Now wait a friggin' second here! I never blamed President Bush or anyone over this... don't go ascribing what you WANT me to say until I say it... fair enough?
There is no possible way he could micromanage to this level, there are not enough centuries in existence for any one person to do that.
jasendorf said:OK, I'll bite on your little trolling expedition dmp... who should take the blame for this breach of security? Who's head should roll?
dmp said:how about this:
"THE FUCKER WHO TOOK THE INFORMATION HOME?" Maybe????
wow.
I bet you're in the camp who blamed GWB for last year's hurricane season, too.
Once again... I've blamed no one for this yet... why don't you hold your fire until I do? Too much to ask? It's coming right up.
jasendorf said:I've blamed no one for this yet... why don't you hold your fire until I do? Too much to ask? It's coming right up.
jasendorf said:I'm not sure what Lalaworld you live in... but in the real world of IT... we have these little things called procedures and policies and security. For instance, my badge has a little icon on it which indicates that I am allowed to take a laptop home... the security guys look at every person as they leave and make sure that those taking stuff home have the appropriate icon.
Now, I'm not saying that the system can't be gamed... and, perhaps that's what happened here... perhaps the guy who took the laptop home snuck it past some guards... don't know. But, I want to know (and the VA's homepage doesn't say)... 1) if it's against policy for this guy to take home a laptop with this information on it... how was he able to do it? how'd this guy get past your guards with a laptop he shouldn't have had? 2) what's your procedure for making sure this information doesn't leave the premises? since that procedure failed, what are you going to do to fix it? 3) what security measures are in place to keep this information out of the hands of those who don't need access to it and what security measures are in place to make sure those who do have it don't break the policies surrounding taking it home?
If this were to happen out here in the real world, not lalagovernment world, I assure you that these are the questions our customers would be asking us. And, they wouldn't take, "we put the guy who gave away your information on administrative leave" for an answer either. There'd be heads all the way up to the InfoSec's director... perhaps even the CIO... rolling
jasendorf said:I'm not sure what Lalaworld you live in... but in the real world of IT... we have these little things called procedures and policies and security. For instance, my badge has a little icon on it which indicates that I am allowed to take a laptop home... the security guys look at every person as they leave and make sure that those taking stuff home have the appropriate icon.
Now, I'm not saying that the system can't be gamed... and, perhaps that's what happened here... perhaps the guy who took the laptop home snuck it past some guards... don't know. But, I want to know (and the VA's homepage doesn't say)... 1) if it's against policy for this guy to take home a laptop with this information on it... how was he able to do it? how'd this guy get past your guards with a laptop he shouldn't have had? 2) what's your procedure for making sure this information doesn't leave the premises? since that procedure failed, what are you going to do to fix it? 3) what security measures are in place to keep this information out of the hands of those who don't need access to it and what security measures are in place to make sure those who do have it don't break the policies surrounding taking it home?
If this were to happen out here in the real world, not lalagovernment world, I assure you that these are the questions our customers would be asking us. And, they wouldn't take, "we put the guy who gave away your information on administrative leave" for an answer either. There'd be heads all the way up to the InfoSec's director... perhaps even the CIO... rolling
jasendorf said:Now wait a friggin' second here! I never blamed President Bush or anyone over this... don't go ascribing what you WANT me to say until I say it... fair enough?
jasendorf said:I'm not sure what Lalaworld you live in... but in the real world of IT... we have these little things called procedures and policies and security. For instance, my badge has a little icon on it which indicates that I am allowed to take a laptop home... the security guys look at every person as they leave and make sure that those taking stuff home have the appropriate icon.
Now, I'm not saying that the system can't be gamed... and, perhaps that's what happened here... perhaps the guy who took the laptop home snuck it past some guards... don't know. But, I want to know (and the VA's homepage doesn't say)... 1) if it's against policy for this guy to take home a laptop with this information on it... how was he able to do it? how'd this guy get past your guards with a laptop he shouldn't have had? 2) what's your procedure for making sure this information doesn't leave the premises? since that procedure failed, what are you going to do to fix it? 3) what security measures are in place to keep this information out of the hands of those who don't need access to it and what security measures are in place to make sure those who do have it don't break the policies surrounding taking it home?
If this were to happen out here in the real world, not lalagovernment world, I assure you that these are the questions our customers would be asking us. And, they wouldn't take, "we put the guy who gave away your information on administrative leave" for an answer either. There'd be heads all the way up to the InfoSec's director... perhaps even the CIO... rolling
jasendorf said:I'm not sure what Lalaworld you live in... but in the real world of IT... we have these little things called procedures and policies and security. For instance, my badge has a little icon on it which indicates that I am allowed to take a laptop home... the security guys look at every person as they leave and make sure that those taking stuff home have the appropriate icon.
What makes you think there are any "guards" where he works?1) if it's against policy for this guy to take home a laptop with this information on it... how was he able to do it? how'd this guy get past your guards with a laptop he shouldn't have had?
The US Gov tells its employees its illegal to do so, and they may be prosecuted if they do.2) what's your procedure for making sure this information doesn't leave the premises? since that procedure failed, what are you going to do to fix it?
Virtually none. Hiring guards to watch over every single government agency to make sure their own employees are following the rules would cost....a 100 million metric fucktons of cash.3) what security measures are in place to keep this information out of the hands of those who don't need access to it and what security measures are in place to make sure those who do have it don't break the policies surrounding taking it home?
If this were to happen out here in the real world, not lalagovernment world, I assure you that these are the questions our customers would be asking us. And, they wouldn't take, "we put the guy who gave away your information on administrative leave" for an answer either. There'd be heads all the way up to the InfoSec's director... perhaps even the CIO... rolling
theHawk said:The "customers" in this case, people such as myself, are demanding that some heads roll. The VA, just like every single other government agency is its own entity. I would say whoever the chief of the IT center at this place has alot to answer for. Why all this information was ever on a laptop in the first place. I can understand all the information being on servers/databases, but not a laptop. The person who took it home knew he wasn't supposed to, there is no way even a dumbass government employee could be that dumb. He should be going to jail IMO. I highly doubt that even the head of the Department of Veterian Affairs knows jackshit about technology, hell many managers of IT units don't know jack shit about tech. Such is the way of our incompetent government...*sigh*
Think my purple heart dad, from Omaha Beach can get in? He's got excellent credit and has been to the VA hospitals recently for hearing aids and injury related problems.theHawk said:Supposedly they are trying to sue to get $1000 per vet it has effected.
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