I just watched ABC news. Trying to make Americans feel bad for the pager/walky talky explosions? Israel Baaaaaaad!!!

[Hector12]

The Moroccan Moslems were popular and were fighting against the evil Byzantine Empire mostly.
The Iberian peninsula was a leftover Roman hold out, was evil, and guilty of Crusades, Inquisitions, and Conquistadors.
The Aragon empire should have been destroyed because they were evil.

The Iberian Peninsula is in western Europe. The Byzantine Empire was in eastern Europe.

 

[irosie91]

Naw, I'm an atheist. I think the whole notion that there's a magic pixie in the sky who is picking favorites is a little silly.

OK---but that has nothing to do with the meaning of the Scriptural writings----I do not recognize KRISHNAH as a "god"---but the Bhagavad Gita is a sublime text

 

[irosie91]

The Moroccan Moslems were popular and were fighting against the evil Byzantine Empire mostly.
The Iberian peninsula was a leftover Roman hold out, was evil, and guilty of Crusades, Inquisitions, and Conquistadors.
The Aragon empire should have been destroyed because they were evil.

your time-line is off

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong

Islan demands warfare and spreading the faith by war


the meaning of juhad is holy war

the moors who were muslims invaded and conquered the iberian peninsula.

The crusades were defensive

The Quran is strictly against war.

Jihad means to "do the right thing even when difficult".
{...
Jihad is a term derived from the Arabic root "jahada," meaning "to exert strength and effort"12. It can refer to:

1. Adhering to religious teachings, enjoining good and forbidding evil.
2. An individual's inner struggle of being a person of virtue and submission to God

...}

The Moors were hardly Moslem since the Mongols had already wiped out the Islamic leadership. And they left once there was any major conflict.

The Crusades not only were offensive, but they massacred innocent Jews all the way from Germany to Jerusalem.

 

[Rigby5]

OK---but that has nothing to do with the meaning of the Scriptural writings----I do not recognize KRISHNAH as a "god"---but the Bhagavad Gita is a sublime text

There are good things about the New Testament, but the Old Testament is utterly irredeemable in its violence, cruelty, and injustice.

 

[Rigby5]

your time-line is off

{...
The Moors were medieval Muslim inhabitants of al-Andalus (the Iberian Peninsula including present day Spain and Portugal) as well as the Maghreb and western Africa1. In 711, troops mostly formed by Moors from northern Africa led the Umayyad conquest of Hispania, which came to be known in Classical Arabic as al-Andalus2. The Moors occupied the Iberian Peninsula from 711 A.D. to 1492 A.D.
...}

Spain was a Roman outpost, and still was part of the evil Byzantine empire around 711 AD. Constantinople did not fall until around 1450 AD.

But you are correct that the Mongols had not yet wiped out the Islamic leadership in Baghdad in 711 AD.

 

[irosie91]

The Quran is strictly against war.

Jihad means to "do the right thing even when difficult".
{...
Jihad is a term derived from the Arabic root "jahada," meaning "to exert strength and effort"12. It can refer to:

1. Adhering to religious teachings, enjoining good and forbidding evil.
2. An individual's inner struggle of being a person of virtue and submission to God

...}

The Moors were hardly Moslem since the Mongols had already wiped out the Islamic leadership. And they left once there was any major conflict.

The Crusades not only were offensive, but they massacred innocent Jews all the way from Germany to Jerusalem.

the only teensy part of your post that is correct is the fact that the crusaders killed jews----INTERESTINGLY----Constantine inserted "KILLING JEWS" into christianity and ISLAM (to wit Muhummad and his minions) APED the notion with extreme enthusiasm----christians have of late----repudiated the idea while muslims embrace it as virtually the entire of their "religion"

 

[irosie91]

There are good things about the New Testament, but the Old Testament is utterly irredeemable in its violence, cruelty, and injustice.

ROFLMAO

 

[irosie91]

{...
The Moors were medieval Muslim inhabitants of al-Andalus (the Iberian Peninsula including present day Spain and Portugal) as well as the Maghreb and western Africa1. In 711, troops mostly formed by Moors from northern Africa led the Umayyad conquest of Hispania, which came to be known in Classical Arabic as al-Andalus2. The Moors occupied the Iberian Peninsula from 711 A.D. to 1492 A.D.
...}

Spain was a Roman outpost, and still was part of the evil Byzantine empire around 711 AD. Constantinople did not fall until around 1450 AD.

But you are correct that the Mongols had not yet wiped out the Islamic leadership in Baghdad in 711 AD.

the moors were muslim invaders---rape, murder, pillage--into the Iberian
Peninsula----Try to use language to present FACT---not the resionist history you prefer

 

[Rigby5]

The Iberian Peninsula is in western Europe. The Byzantine Empire was in eastern Europe.

The Iberian Peninsula civilization was created by Rome, and the fact Rome moved to Constantinople did not change that.

 

[Rigby5]

the only teensy part of your post that is correct is the fact that the crusaders killed jews----INTERESTINGLY----Constantine inserted "KILLING JEWS" into christianity and ISLAM (to wit Muhummad and his minions) APED the notion with extreme enthusiasm----christians have of late----repudiated the idea while muslims embrace it as virtually the entire of their "religion"

Wrong.
Mohammed had no armies, so then when he was attacked by the polytheist Meccans, he went to Medina where the Jews were, and from then on Mohammed had a Jewish army.
Mohammed not only allied with the Jews, but was clear that Judaism was valid and not to be attacked.

The proof is obious.
For example, where did all the Jews in the Iberian Peninsula come from to be persecuted with the Inquisition?
They clearly came with the Moslem Moors.
Moslems always had Jewish Viziers and administrator.
Jews were never persecuted by Moslems, ever.

 

[Rigby5]

the moors were muslim invaders---rape, murder, pillage--into the Iberian
Peninsula----Try to use language to present FACT---not the resionist history you prefer

Wrong.
The Moors originally went to the Iberian Peninsula as hired mercenaries by the Castilians.
There was no "rape, murder, or pillage".
They were highly civilized and greatly advanced the technology and civilization of Spain.
The evil were the knights of Aragon.
In fact, it is easy to prove since El Cid fought for the Moors for a significant time span.
{...
When conspirators murdered Sancho in 1072, El Cid found himself in a difficult situation. Since Sancho was childless, the throne passed to his brother Alfonso, whom El Cid had helped remove from power. Although El Cid continued to serve the sovereign, he lost his ranking in the new court, which treated him suspiciously and kept him at arm's length. Finally, in 1081, he was exiled.[8]

El Cid found work fighting for the Muslim rulers of Zaragoza, whom he defended from its traditional enemy, Aragon. While in exile, he regained his reputation as a strategist and formidable military leader. He was repeatedly victorious in battle against the Muslim rulers of Lérida and their Christian allies, as well as against a large Christian army under King Sancho Ramírez of Aragon.
...}

 

[irosie91]

Wrong.
Mohammed had no armies, so then when he was attacked by the polytheist Meccans, he went to Medina where the Jews were, and from then on Mohammed had a Jewish army.
Mohammed not only allied with the Jews, but was clear that Judaism was valid and not to be attacked.

The proof is obious.
For example, where did all the Jews in the Iberian Peninsula come from to be persecuted with the Inquisition?
They clearly came with the Moslem Moors.
Moslems always had Jewish Viziers and administrator.
Jews were never persecuted by Moslems, ever.

You are extremely confused. Muhummad genocided the Medina jews out
of existence-----it's all in the koran. Don't you ever READ? As to jews in
the Iberian Peninsula---That community predated the islamic onslaught. It
had come along with the Roman armies
Only a few jews came along with muslims. My hubby is right here---
his community lived under the filth of islamic imposition of shariah for
centuries-----feel free to ask questions (the escape of his family preceded
the pogrom of 1947 in which muslims slit the throats of jewish infants)

 

[irosie91]

Wrong.
Mohammed had no armies, so then when he was attacked by the polytheist Meccans, he went to Medina where the Jews were, and from then on Mohammed had a Jewish army.
Mohammed not only allied with the Jews, but was clear that Judaism was valid and not to be attacked.

The proof is obious.
For example, where did all the Jews in the Iberian Peninsula come from to be persecuted with the Inquisition?
They clearly came with the Moslem Moors.
Moslems always had Jewish Viziers and administrator.
Jews were never persecuted by Moslems, ever.

There were jews in Christian Spain before Islam invaded. The jews in
muslim spain had already FLED MUSLIM SPAIN by the time of the Reconquista
----many to Morocco (check the geography---one could virtually swim off
the rock of Gibraltar.) Feel free to ask questions

 

[irosie91]

Wrong.
The Moors originally went to the Iberian Peninsula as hired mercenaries by the Castilians.
There was no "rape, murder, or pillage".
They were highly civilized and greatly advanced the technology and civilization of Spain.
The evil were the knights of Aragon.
In fact, it is easy to prove since El Cid fought for the Moors for a significant time span.
{...
When conspirators murdered Sancho in 1072, El Cid found himself in a difficult situation. Since Sancho was childless, the throne passed to his brother Alfonso, whom El Cid had helped remove from power. Although El Cid continued to serve the sovereign, he lost his ranking in the new court, which treated him suspiciously and kept him at arm's length. Finally, in 1081, he was exiled.[8]

El Cid found work fighting for the Muslim rulers of Zaragoza, whom he defended from its traditional enemy, Aragon. While in exile, he regained his reputation as a strategist and formidable military leader. He was repeatedly victorious in battle against the Muslim rulers of Lérida and their Christian allies, as well as against a large Christian army under King Sancho Ramírez of Aragon.
...}

El Cid fought for both christian and muslim rulers. He was christian and lived
in 11th century Iberian Peninsula. The Almoravids ruled at that time but in the 12th and 13th century they devolved into fundamentalist islam and got into the
dhimmi mode and even the convert to islam or die mode. Maimonides
was forced to flee Cordoba in the late 12th century to avoid forced conversion over the dead bodies of family and colleagues. He fled to Morocco where other jews had fled christian Spain only to face FORCED CONVERSION to islam there---so he fled to egypt where Saladin ruled. Saladin was a, like other kurds----not all that muslim and needed a doctor-----so Maimonides did ok but wrote about the oppression by muslims in both the Iberian Peninsula and North Africa----some of
his writings on the subject are extant. Keep learning history----you might come out ok

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Quran is strictly against war.

Jihad means to "do the right thing even when difficult".
{...
Jihad is a term derived from the Arabic root "jahada," meaning "to exert strength and effort"12. It can refer to:

1. Adhering to religious teachings, enjoining good and forbidding evil.
2. An individual's inner struggle of being a person of virtue and submission to God

...}

The Moors were hardly Moslem since the Mongols had already wiped out the Islamic leadership. And they left once there was any major conflict.

The Crusades not only were offensive, but they massacred innocent Jews all the way from Germany to Jerusalem.

WRONG
The Koran specically demands war to spread the faith

jihad means HOLY WAR

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20Room/Joint_Staff/13-F-0117_DOC_07-course-materials-perspectives-on-Islam_and_Islamic_radicalism.pdf

The Mooors were muslims and no their leadership were not wiped out

The crusades were a defensive response to Muslim invasions and conquest of Chistendom

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
The Moors originally went to the Iberian Peninsula as hired mercenaries by the Castilians.
There was no "rape, murder, or pillage".
They were highly civilized and greatly advanced the technology and civilization of Spain.
The evil were the knights of Aragon.
In fact, it is easy to prove since El Cid fought for the Moors for a significant time span.
{...
When conspirators murdered Sancho in 1072, El Cid found himself in a difficult situation. Since Sancho was childless, the throne passed to his brother Alfonso, whom El Cid had helped remove from power. Although El Cid continued to serve the sovereign, he lost his ranking in the new court, which treated him suspiciously and kept him at arm's length. Finally, in 1081, he was exiled.[8]

El Cid found work fighting for the Muslim rulers of Zaragoza, whom he defended from its traditional enemy, Aragon. While in exile, he regained his reputation as a strategist and formidable military leader. He was repeatedly victorious in battle against the Muslim rulers of Lérida and their Christian allies, as well as against a large Christian army under King Sancho Ramírez of Aragon.
...}

Wrong

the moors were muslim invaders and conquerers practiving jihad

There was massive and ongoing rape pillage and murder commited by the muslim moors

El ci was one person not the only person involved in that war