I have to know if conservatives really believe the wall would be an effective immigration policy

[Billy000]

Do you Rightwingers really? Do you actually believe that a goddamn wall is going to curb immigration? Liberals arent against the wall idea because we have more relaxed immigration views - we are against it because it's fucking useless idea.

1) How would the wall prevent tunnelling or people, you know, climbing over it?

2) How will the wall be built through private land, mountains, rivers, and towns? Whose authority would decide how it be would re-routed through those areas?

3) How about the never ending cost of staffing or maintaining the wall's viability?

4) How would it do anything to prevent the high percentage of illegals who cross the border legally but overstay their visas?

5) WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL? it won't be Mexico, ya dumbassess. Just because you think Mexico is inferior, it doesn't mean they are pussies. They don't roll over like Repubs in office do to special interests.

If this idea is so great why didn't your St. Reagan build a border wall? It's because Reagan wasn't a complete moron like Trump and his supporters are.

 

[Spare_change]

Why do liberals keep asking the same, tired, old stupid questions? We answer them, and we answer them ... and sure enough, the next day, some idiot asks the same questions.

Geesh .....

 

[The Great Goose]

I'm a liberal but I think the wall is an important part of a modern border. I fancy the idea of one built around the Australian coastline.

 

[Billy000]

Why do liberals keep asking the same, tired, old stupid questions? We answer them, and we answer them ... and sure enough, the next day, some idiot asks the same questions.

Geesh .....

You don't know how to answer it and you know it.

 

[Billy000]

I'm a liberal but I think the wall is an important part of a modern border. I fancy the idea of one built around the Australian coastline.

Okay, so you are Australian then? An Australian thinks a wall is a good idea in America? Interesting. Oh, and you think a wall should be built around an entire continent? Wow.

 

[The Great Goose]

I'm a liberal but I think the wall is an important part of a modern border. I fancy the idea of one built around the Australian coastline.

Okay, so you are Australian then? An Australian thinks a wall is a good idea in America? Interesting. Oh, and you think a wall should be built around an entire continent? Wow.

How else will we keep the mexicuns out of Australia?

 

[Spare_change]

Why do liberals keep asking the same, tired, old stupid questions? We answer them, and we answer them ... and sure enough, the next day, some idiot asks the same questions.

Geesh .....

You don't know how to answer it and you know it.

They have been endlessly answered ....

If you promise to never ask them again, I'll answer them.

 

[Spare_change]

I'm a liberal but I think the wall is an important part of a modern border. I fancy the idea of one built around the Australian coastline.

Okay, so you are Australian then? An Australian thinks a wall is a good idea in America? Interesting. Oh, and you think a wall should be built around an entire continent? Wow.

How else will we keep the mexicuns out of Australia?

Given Australia's process for handling illegal immigrants, I'm not sure I'd be throwing stones if I were you.

 

[Billy000]

Why do liberals keep asking the same, tired, old stupid questions? We answer them, and we answer them ... and sure enough, the next day, some idiot asks the same questions.

Geesh .....

You don't know how to answer it and you know it.

They have been endlessly answered ....

If you promise to never ask them again, I'll answer them.

Okay. However my stipulation is that they are valid answers to the points I gave You

 

[Auld Phart]

I'm a liberal but I think the wall is an important part of a modern border. I fancy the idea of one built around the Australian coastline.

Okay, so you are Australian then? An Australian thinks a wall is a good idea in America? Interesting. Oh, and you think a wall should be built around an entire continent? Wow.

How else will we keep the mexicuns out of Australia?

How else will we keep the mexicuns out of Australia?

 

[The Great Goose]

I'm a liberal but I think the wall is an important part of a modern border. I fancy the idea of one built around the Australian coastline.

Okay, so you are Australian then? An Australian thinks a wall is a good idea in America? Interesting. Oh, and you think a wall should be built around an entire continent? Wow.

How else will we keep the mexicuns out of Australia?

Given Australia's process for handling illegal immigrants, I'm not sure I'd be throwing stones if I were you.

What's our process?

 

[william the wie]

Shipping them elsewhere.

 

[Spare_change]

Why do liberals keep asking the same, tired, old stupid questions? We answer them, and we answer them ... and sure enough, the next day, some idiot asks the same questions.

Geesh .....

You don't know how to answer it and you know it.

They have been endlessly answered ....

If you promise to never ask them again, I'll answer them.

Okay. However my stipulation is that they are valid answers to the points I gave You

1) How would the wall prevent tunnelling or people, you know, climbing over it?

Liberals have intentionally restricted the border protection discussion to consider nothing but the physical “wall”. In fact, they have even rejected the idea that a fence constitutes a ‘wall’.

The reality is much different. While a physical fence/wall/barrier will be built the length of the border, there are many other elements that will be used to provide border protection. Drones, Border patrols, satellite scans, ground-penetrating radar, tripwires, and overflights will all be used to secure the border. While the exact performance parameters of GPR is classified, suffice it to say that it will easily identify tunnels, and can do it from great distances. In addition, thermal scans, from satellites, will be able identify tunnels, since the tunnel radiates a different temperature than the surrounding earth. It’s like painting a Picasso.

2) How will the wall be built through private land, mountains, rivers, and towns? Whose authority would decide how it be would re-routed through those areas?

The engineering will, most likely, be done under the control of the Army Corps of Engineers. The methodology used, at any given point, is dependent on the terrain and ground source. It will obviously change as the terrain changes. Just like your city has an easement in your back yard for power or cable lines, the federal government has the same easement for lands abutting the border, with the exception of a single 75 mile strip that is controlled by the Navajo. They have, however, very clearly indicated that they want the wall built, since their area is a primary funnel for drug and human trafficking, and they suffer all the issues of that (theft, murder, destruction, etc.)

The federal government, of course, still has right of eminent domain for all land if needed for national security sources. Procurement of the land isn’t a legal issue, but recompense may be.

3) How about the never ending cost of staffing or maintaining the wall's viability?

Frankly, maintenance of a concrete wall is not a big issue. I would assume they will use a sensor system to monitor the integrity of the wall, and respond from some central location when needed. The cost of maintenance is negligible. I would think that, eventually, maintenance of the wall will be turned over to the military or other government agency.

4) How would it do anything to prevent the high percentage of illegals who cross the border legally but overstay their visas?

A non-sequitur. You’re asking the solution for one portion of the immigration problem to be the total solution.

Some sources estimate that about 54% of all illegal immigration comes across the border. Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

The concept is simple. Stop the flow (or at least, slow it significantly), and then move on to the next element. While I don’t have direct access to the sequence of events, I would imagine it looks something like this:

1) Secure the southern border (build, and man, the wall)
2) Overhaul the visa system to increase tracking and reporting
3) Enhance Immigration Services to interdict and remove those who overstay their visa, or violate reporting procedures.
4) Once the flow of illegal immigration is stopped, begin to address the issue of those illegal immigrants already in country.
5) I think it’s clear to everybody – even those liberals who whine about deportation forces, etc., etc. because that fits their political narrative - that there will never be a wholesale deportation. Once the criminal element is removed, and a process is established to remove those who become criminals (elimination of sanctuary cities), there will be a discussion about the humane handling of the remaining illegals.

5) WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL? it won't be Mexico, ya dumbassess. Just because you think Mexico is inferior, it doesn't mean they are pussies. They don't roll over like Repubs in office do to special interests.

Everybody understands that, in the end, the consumer will pay for the wall, whether it’s thru our own taxes paying for the wall, or because of the increased cost of goods from Mexico.

However, what fails to be mentioned is that increasing the costs of goods from Mexico increases the viability of those goods being produced in the US. If Ford can’t get its cars cheaply via Mexico, they will make them here in order to avoid shipping costs.

In addition, we need to realize that the US truly has the big stick. We buy about $295 billion worth of goods from Mexico, or about 23% of their GDP. They, on the other hand, buy about $235 billion worth of goods from the US, or less than 1% of our GDP. Cessation of trade between the countries would be catastrophic for Mexico, but would hardly make a blip in our economy. They, simply, cannot afford a trade war.

In addition, we provide about $320 million in aid, the loss of which would be disastrous for Mexico. U.S. provides aid worth $320 million a year to Mexico; experts say yanking it could hurt

The short answer to your question – the consumer ALWAYS pays increased cost of goods, no matter how it’s packaged. However, diverting money intended for Mexico could offset the government’s investment. When you couple that with some businesses returning to the US, the overall benefit might be more than you suspect.

Mexico and the US will come up with some face-saving device that transfers Mexican money to the US, and then they will recoup it thru increased product costs. They, simply, cannot afford not to – no matter the preening and posturing.

 

[Spare_change]

I'm a liberal but I think the wall is an important part of a modern border. I fancy the idea of one built around the Australian coastline.

Okay, so you are Australian then? An Australian thinks a wall is a good idea in America? Interesting. Oh, and you think a wall should be built around an entire continent? Wow.

How else will we keep the mexicuns out of Australia?

Given Australia's process for handling illegal immigrants, I'm not sure I'd be throwing stones if I were you.

What's our process?

Mandatory detention. Put their ass on an island until you can figure out what to do with them.

 

[Clementine]

Do you Rightwingers really? Do you actually believe that a goddamn wall is going to curb immigration? Liberals arent against the wall idea because we have more relaxed immigration views - we are against it because it's fucking useless idea.

1) How would the wall prevent tunnelling or people, you know, climbing over it?

2) How will the wall be built through private land, mountains, rivers, and towns? Whose authority would decide how it be would re-routed through those areas?

3) How about the never ending cost of staffing or maintaining the wall's viability?

4) How would it do anything to prevent the high percentage of illegals who cross the border legally but overstay their visas?

5) WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL? it won't be Mexico, ya dumbassess. Just because you think Mexico is inferior, it doesn't mean they are pussies. They don't roll over like Repubs in office do to special interests.

If this idea is so great why didn't your St. Reagan build a border wall? It's because Reagan wasn't a complete moron like Trump and his supporters are.

The wall is only one facet of the plan to curb illegal immigration. It will be difficult for drug smugglers to go back and forth.

Along with the wall will be changes that mean absolutely no benefits for being here illegally.

Clarify constitution to state that if a baby is born here to illegal aliens, the child is not a citizen.

If we take away the incentives for sneaking in, they will stop.

We should also reevaluate the number of work permits allowed. Until citizens are employed, we should not import other workers. I know the left is extremely hypocritical on this one. You guys start whining that the cost of produce will skyrocket, even as you demand $15 an hour minimum, which would extend to illegals if you get your way. What will that do to the cost of everything?

 

[Billy000]

Why do liberals keep asking the same, tired, old stupid questions? We answer them, and we answer them ... and sure enough, the next day, some idiot asks the same questions.

Geesh .....

You don't know how to answer it and you know it.

They have been endlessly answered ....

If you promise to never ask them again, I'll answer them.

Okay. However my stipulation is that they are valid answers to the points I gave You

1) How would the wall prevent tunnelling or people, you know, climbing over it?

Liberals have intentionally restricted the border protection discussion to consider nothing but the physical “wall”. In fact, they have even rejected the idea that a fence constitutes a ‘wall’.

The reality is much different. While a physical fence/wall/barrier will be built the length of the border, there are many other elements that will be used to provide border protection. Drones, Border patrols, satellite scans, ground-penetrating radar, tripwires, and overflights will all be used to secure the border. While the exact performance parameters of GPR is classified, suffice it to say that it will easily identify tunnels, and can do it from great distances. In addition, thermal scans, from satellites, will be able identify tunnels, since the tunnel radiates a different temperature than the surrounding earth. It’s like painting a Picasso.

2) How will the wall be built through private land, mountains, rivers, and towns? Whose authority would decide how it be would re-routed through those areas?

The engineering will, most likely, be done under the control of the Army Corps of Engineers. The methodology used, at any given point, is dependent on the terrain and ground source. It will obviously change as the terrain changes. Just like your city has an easement in your back yard for power or cable lines, the federal government has the same easement for lands abutting the border, with the exception of a single 75 mile strip that is controlled by the Navajo. They have, however, very clearly indicated that they want the wall built, since their area is a primary funnel for drug and human trafficking, and they suffer all the issues of that (theft, murder, destruction, etc.)

The federal government, of course, still has right of eminent domain for all land if needed for national security sources. Procurement of the land isn’t a legal issue, but recompense may be.

3) How about the never ending cost of staffing or maintaining the wall's viability?

Frankly, maintenance of a concrete wall is not a big issue. I would assume they will use a sensor system to monitor the integrity of the wall, and respond from some central location when needed. The cost of maintenance is negligible. I would think that, eventually, maintenance of the wall will be turned over to the military or other government agency.

4) How would it do anything to prevent the high percentage of illegals who cross the border legally but overstay their visas?

A non-sequitur. You’re asking the solution for one portion of the immigration problem to be the total solution.

Some sources estimate that about 54% of all illegal immigration comes across the border. Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

The concept is simple. Stop the flow (or at least, slow it significantly), and then move on to the next element. While I don’t have direct access to the sequence of events, I would imagine it looks something like this:

1) Secure the southern border (build, and man, the wall)
2) Overhaul the visa system to increase tracking and reporting
3) Enhance Immigration Services to interdict and remove those who overstay their visa, or violate reporting procedures.
4) Once the flow of illegal immigration is stopped, begin to address the issue of those illegal immigrants already in country.
5) I think it’s clear to everybody – even those liberals who whine about deportation forces, etc., etc. because that fits their political narrative - that there will never be a wholesale deportation. Once the criminal element is removed, and a process is established to remove those who become criminals (elimination of sanctuary cities), there will be a discussion about the humane handling of the remaining illegals.

5) WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL? it won't be Mexico, ya dumbassess. Just because you think Mexico is inferior, it doesn't mean they are pussies. They don't roll over like Repubs in office do to special interests.

Everybody understands that, in the end, the consumer will pay for the wall, whether it’s thru our own taxes paying for the wall, or because of the increased cost of goods from Mexico.

However, what fails to be mentioned is that increasing the costs of goods from Mexico increases the viability of those goods being produced in the US. If Ford can’t get its cars cheaply via Mexico, they will make them here in order to avoid shipping costs.

In addition, we need to realize that the US truly has the big stick. We buy about $295 billion worth of goods from Mexico, or about 23% of their GDP. They, on the other hand, buy about $235 billion worth of goods from the US, or less than 1% of our GDP. Cessation of trade between the countries would be catastrophic for Mexico, but would hardly make a blip in our economy. They, simply, cannot afford a trade war.

In addition, we provide about $320 million in aid, the loss of which would be disastrous for Mexico. U.S. provides aid worth $320 million a year to Mexico; experts say yanking it could hurt

The short answer to your question – the consumer ALWAYS pays increased cost of goods, no matter how it’s packaged. However, diverting money intended for Mexico could offset the government’s investment. When you couple that with some businesses returning to the US, the overall benefit might be more than you suspect.

Mexico and the US will come up with some face-saving device that transfers Mexican money to the US, and then they will recoup it thru increased product costs. They, simply, cannot afford not to – no matter the preening and posturing.

Lol

1) Okay, so you're saying that hi-tech technology would prevent tunnelling and jumping the wall? Um okay. When did Trump ever explain this? When did he ever say the cost for such technology wouldn't be astronomical?

2) This isn't an answer. You don't explain how engineering capability would adapt to ANY foundation material.

3) "I would assume..." Is Trump listening to your suggestions? We have no fucking idea what Trump's design is for this.

4) There is no Trump plan for those types of illegals. Someone obviously convinced him a mass deportation policy is a stupid idea as well.

5) Oh, so now you're okay with a public cost? Why didn't Trump just lay this out clearly before?

 

[Kat]

HaHaHa How did I know the old ''this isn't an answer'' be pulled out.

Spare_change May as well forget it. No matter what you say, or how thorough you answer...it won't be accepted.

 

[Kosh]

Yes we know the far left drones hate that their religion is being rejected all over the world.

But then again we know that the far left could care less about laws unless they can use it for their religious purposes.

 

[SavannahMann]

This question has been asked, and answered so often already. Yet, I'm going to answer it again. I'm going to pretend that the previous times that this question has been asked, and answered in so many media outlets just got missed by you.

1) It's curious that all the political, and social leaders, who say that walls don't work all live behind walls. President Obama had dozens of people who were dedicated to his safety, and for some reason they wanted a higher fence to help them.

But let's start at the beginning shall we? Do you lock your doors at night? Do you imagine that these doors will prevent a determined madman from getting into your house and rampaging through your family? Is it racist for you to lock your doors?

The obvious answer is yes you lock your doors, and no it will not stop someone from kicking your door in or smashing it in with a battering ram or sledgehammer. So why do we do it? Partly it is a psychological barrier. We feel better knowing our doors are locked. Partly that psychological barrier is actually physical. The smashing of the door will make noise, and alert us that someone is now inside.

We lock our cars for the same reason. Again, it won't stop the determined individual, but it will slow them down.

How about the individual looking for the easy opportunity? They will be deterred from taking our stuff from the car by the doors being locked and the windows up. They will go on looking for an easier way. The thief looking to just pop in and snag something from a house if it is easy will not kick the door in if it can be avoided. They'll move along, afraid of finding that the act of kicking the door in will alert the occupants, and they might be armed with a gun or whatever.

Walls and fences are literally chapter one page one of any security manual. The purpose according to the Army, of any obstacle is to delay or deter the enemy. Delay, or deter. You notice it is not to stop them cold, but to delay, or deter. To force the individuals to expend more effort, and time, to get through, over, or around the obstacle.

2) Nobody is suggesting that the wall is the answer in and of itself.

Just as President Obama's security was not left up to the fence around the White House, no one is suggesting that once we build the wall we can fire all the Border Patrol officers.

The wall is part of a comprehensive security package. It must be backed up by over watch, that is to say someone has to keep an eye on it. The eye may be electronic, or physical. But someone must be using the wall to identify when, and where, someone tries to gain entry. Just as you would not ignore the pounding as someone smashed into your door with a hammer. You would move to intercept the individual before they got very far into your house.

Safe's like you would use to keep Jewlery or firearms in are rated in how many minutes the individual breaking in will be delayed. From a handful, to several hours, the delay is calculated based upon the tools and experience needed. You mentioned that the people seeking to enter can climb over, or tunnel under.

Yes, they can. However, that is where the delay factor comes in. If it takes them ten minutes to climb over, then you have delayed them ten minutes. Ten minutes to get someone started on the way to intercept the individuals coming over. You can use that time to get an accurate count. Five or fifteen makes a difference. If you are looking for fifteen, and you find five, you know that there are ten left to keep looking for.

Tunneling under takes even longer. Days minimum, weeks probably, and possibly months. Better yet, Tunneling makes noise that can be heard with ground listening devices. Tunneling is also dangerous, as the tunnel can and does collapse trapping the people inside. The wall raises the stakes, making crossing the border a potentially fatal endeavor.

This was apparent even to the Chinese who built the Great Wall. There were towers where guards were stationed to keep an eye on the wall.

2) Immigration. Speaking for myself, I am not opposed to greater immigration numbers. But is that racist? Let's see shall we?

Back to the analogy of your house. When someone knocks on your door, do you open it wide automatically? Normally, people open the door wide when the person is identified. Someone known to you will find the door opened wide, welcoming them into your home. A person who isn't known to you will be faced with questions. Who are you, what do you want?

Is it racist for you to ask those questions? Or is it a common sense precaution that everyone takes at their door? Why is it racist to do the same to our collective door, the border?

There is much more that can be said, but I am going to assume that either you will ignore this, or decide that these common sense and logical statements are motivated by whatever hatred you think is in my heart.

 

[owebo]

Do you Rightwingers really? Do you actually believe that a goddamn wall is going to curb immigration? Liberals arent against the wall idea because we have more relaxed immigration views - we are against it because it's fucking useless idea.

1) How would the wall prevent tunnelling or people, you know, climbing over it?

2) How will the wall be built through private land, mountains, rivers, and towns? Whose authority would decide how it be would re-routed through those areas?

3) How about the never ending cost of staffing or maintaining the wall's viability?

4) How would it do anything to prevent the high percentage of illegals who cross the border legally but overstay their visas?

5) WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE WALL? it won't be Mexico, ya dumbassess. Just because you think Mexico is inferior, it doesn't mean they are pussies. They don't roll over like Repubs in office do to special interests.

If this idea is so great why didn't your St. Reagan build a border wall? It's because Reagan wasn't a complete moron like Trump and his supporters are.

Mexicos southern wall works great for them....