I have a very long history with nazism

[Mortimer]

Like I've told you before. Gypsies know they have a reputation, and as a group, nothing happens to change these perceptions other than shouting "you're a racist" at people.

One in 20 inmates 'from Gypsy, Roma and Traveller backgrounds'

One in 20 prison inmates now comes from Gypsy, Romany Gypsy or Irish Traveller groups, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Prisons finds.

www.bbc.co.uk

"One in 20 inmates 'from Gypsy, Roma and Traveller backgrounds'"

One in 20.

It's estimated that 225,000 gypsies live in the UK.

Gypsy, Roma and Traveller - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"In the 2011 census, 57,680 people identified themselves as members of categories which the government interpreted as belonging under the umbrella of GRT.[16][5] However, the British government website notes that much higher estimates, from 150,000 to 500,000 people exist."

So, let's say there are half a million.

There are 68 million people in the UK. So half a million would be one in 136 people, or 0.73% of the population. But 5% of the UK prison population if gypsy or traveller.

That's a HUGE number.

United Kingdom prison population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

White people make up 81% of the population and 71% of the prison population.
Black people make up 4% of the population and have 12% of the prison population. Which is three times higher. Gypsies make up 6.8 times the number of their population, double what the next highest group per capita for prison population.

Statistics can be manipulated or misinterpteted even if it were true you could see it in another light for example of how many gypsies are there and how many are in prison in absolute numbers and then ask again if racially motivated violence against gypsies for example as one of the most extreme cases of discrimination is really justified if such a racially based discrimination ever can be really justified you also said in southafrica you were afraid of black men nowhere else that does mean you differentiate blacks and isolate it to specific situations but not with gypsies

 

[the watcher]

You need to start over Mort, this isn't working for you. Delete that old history and go in a different direction.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Statistics can be manipulated or misinterpteted even if it were true you could see it in another light for example of how many gypsies are there and how many are in prison in absolute numbers and then ask again if racially motivated violence against gypsies for example as one of the most extreme cases of discrimination is really justified if such a racially based discrimination ever can be really justified you also said in southafrica you were afraid of black men nowhere else that does mean you differentiate blacks and isolate it to specific situations but not with gypsies

Well, are you suggesting these statistics are being manipulated or misinterpreted?

Gypsies and travellers also have the lowest education achievement in the UK. The two are related. Lower educational achievement means you're more likely to commit crimes.

And I'd say a lot of the racially motivated language is probably just people getting angry at gypsies and travellers turning up in an area, doing whatever they like, threatening people, thieving, fighting etc and people just getting angry.

Like I've told you before, if they don't want to suffer these things, they could change how they live their lives.

They don't, they just use "racist" as a way of justifying their problems.

 

[Mortimer]

Well, are you suggesting these statistics are being manipulated or misinterpreted?

Gypsies and travellers also have the lowest education achievement in the UK. The two are related. Lower educational achievement means you're more likely to commit crimes.

And I'd say a lot of the racially motivated language is probably just people getting angry at gypsies and travellers turning up in an area, doing whatever they like, threatening people, thieving, fighting etc and people just getting angry.

Like I've told you before, if they don't want to suffer these things, they could change how they live their lives.

They don't, they just use "racist" as a way of justifying their problems.

I think it goes both ways that they could change and also that society could change how they perceive and treat them i do think its not only their behaviour alone why people dislike but because they are roma too. I do think there are roma activists nowadays who try to help roma with job search education against child marriage etc i do suggest that the statistic is manipulated in the sense that you justify racially motivated violence and discrimination based on it for example if one in twenty gypsies is in prison that means that ninenty of twenty are not you justify racially motivated violence that by every standard can not be justified that is common sense

 

[frigidweirdo]

I think it goes both ways that they could change and also that society could change how they perceive and treat them i do think its not only their behaviour alone why people dislike but because they are roma too. I do think there are roma activists nowadays who try to help roma with job search education against child marriage etc i do suggest that the statistic is manipulated in the sense that you justify racially motivated violence and discrimination based on it for example if one in twenty gypsies is in prison that means that ninenty of twenty are not you justify racially motivated violence that by every standard can not be justified that is common sense

Imagine when you have 68 million people, and 67.5 million are expected to follow the laws, and half a million aren't.

All around the world, pretty much, we're developed a system where by people are born, they get educated, they get jobs to earn money, they buy a home, and then they die.

And half a million are like "we don't want to live like that. We want to travel around and turn up in random places and cause havoc. We can't hold downs, we don't keep our kids in school, this then leads us to committing crimes"

That makes no sense.

You don't travel around. You seem to be quite stable. The gypsy who was a friend of my ex in Spain was at university, had a stable life. And these are the gypsies that nobody notices, because they fit in, they act sensibly.

The ones who don't, cause all kinds of problems for themselves, and it causes disruption in society, it causes disruption in their own lives.

I'm sure there are people who do try and help, but the problem with "discrimination" is, it's not because they're Roma or gyspies or travellers, it's because they cause problems. If they don't, people don't care.

 

[Mortimer]

Imagine when you have 68 million people, and 67.5 million are expected to follow the laws, and half a million aren't.

All around the world, pretty much, we're developed a system where by people are born, they get educated, they get jobs to earn money, they buy a home, and then they die.

And half a million are like "we don't want to live like that. We want to travel around and turn up in random places and cause havoc. We can't hold downs, we don't keep our kids in school, this then leads us to committing crimes"

That makes no sense.

You don't travel around. You seem to be quite stable. The gypsy who was a friend of my ex in Spain was at university, had a stable life. And these are the gypsies that nobody notices, because they fit in, they act sensibly.

The ones who don't, cause all kinds of problems for themselves, and it causes disruption in society, it causes disruption in their own lives.

I'm sure there are people who do try and help, but the problem with "discrimination" is, it's not because they're Roma or gyspies or travellers, it's because they cause problems. If they don't, people don't care.

Ok thats correct

 

[Arlette]

Way back before Internet in school as kid i draw swastikas on the chalkboard told racist jokes jew jokes and doing the nazi salute and stuff like that it continued into my adolescence and adulthood into internet i really do not know why maybe really a mental retardation i put myself on a waiting list for psychotherapy and then i can tell that and my thoughts and questions

How did you know as a little kid what a swastika looks like? How come you knew Jew jokes?

 

[Mortimer]

How did you know as a little kid what a swastika looks like? How come you knew Jew jokes?

I learned it from others in school

 

[Sayaras]

We should discuss NAZI/fascism because we should all learn how such a sick ideology took power, what they did in power, and what we can to to prevent those with that ideology from ever taking power again.


One great American tried to warn us about fascism's "next wave" after Hitler....




Einstein is not claiming all Jews are fascists. Rather, he claimed that some Jews, very Zionist religious Jews, are fascists, and he was 100% correct as usual....


Mr. Netanyahu is the planet's #1 fascist today.

Actually Einstein was a cool humane zionist

Albert Einstein: Scientist, Pacifist, Zionist - Yale University Press

Steven Gimbel— When Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu spoke to a joint meeting of the US Congress, one could almost see the ghost of Albert Einstein in the room. Netanyahu... READ MORE

yalebooks.yale.edu

I don't care what Loco racist " rense" twisted theories had to gibberish publish about any subjet 911 islamic massacre or other.

 

[dblack]

Candidly, Mort, you share WAAAAAAY too much personal information.

Yes. It's embarrassing, and creepy. Please stop..

 

[mex tex]

Way back before Internet in school as kid i draw swastikas on the chalkboard told racist jokes jew jokes and doing the nazi salute and stuff like that it continued into my adolescence and adulthood into internet i really do not know why maybe really a mental retardation i put myself on a waiting list for psychotherapy and then i can tell that and my thoughts and questions

Did the teacher make you draw on the board because you refused to use punctuation?

 

[mex tex]

We need more Morty threads.

I recently joined, and he's one of the few worth reading!

 

[Bleipriester]

I recently joined, and he's one of the few worth reading!

Really? Most of his topics are centered around racial issues. And when not, he is posting his fat paunch. He is now pretending to be a reasonable centrist but look up his older threads. He was posing with a gun and posting racist songs he was singing to. He is a mad man and the police raided his home.