I find it very disturbing

[Seawytch]

That the threads that get the most posts are the ones on gays. I guess that issue divides the US like no other issue. There are very strong feelings on both sides, and both sides sometimes make good arguments.

The only way to resolve it is to let the people speak by voting. We need either a national referendum on gay marriage or a constitutional amendment on it. Let the people decide and lets all live by that decision.

Yes .. Put it to a vote by Electoral College

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

He never campaigned against it and has done more for gay equal rights than all previous Presidents combined.

 

[Redfish]

That the threads that get the most posts are the ones on gays. I guess that issue divides the US like no other issue. There are very strong feelings on both sides, and both sides sometimes make good arguments.

The only way to resolve it is to let the people speak by voting. We need either a national referendum on gay marriage or a constitutional amendment on it. Let the people decide and lets all live by that decision.

Yes .. Put it to a vote by Electoral College

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

 

[bodecea]

That the threads that get the most posts are the ones on gays. I guess that issue divides the US like no other issue. There are very strong feelings on both sides, and both sides sometimes make good arguments.

The only way to resolve it is to let the people speak by voting. We need either a national referendum on gay marriage or a constitutional amendment on it. Let the people decide and lets all live by that decision.

Yes .. Put it to a vote by Electoral College

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

He never campaigned against it and has done more for gay equal rights than all previous Presidents combined.

Well, that's the problem for Redminnow, you see.

The most telling thing of all is that being FOR gay rights is no longer a strike against a politician.....the wheel has turned. Now, to a majority of voters, to be vocally against gay marriage/rights is a strike against.

 

[bodecea]

That the threads that get the most posts are the ones on gays. I guess that issue divides the US like no other issue. There are very strong feelings on both sides, and both sides sometimes make good arguments.

The only way to resolve it is to let the people speak by voting. We need either a national referendum on gay marriage or a constitutional amendment on it. Let the people decide and lets all live by that decision.

Yes .. Put it to a vote by Electoral College

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

 

[Seawytch]

That the threads that get the most posts are the ones on gays. I guess that issue divides the US like no other issue. There are very strong feelings on both sides, and both sides sometimes make good arguments.

The only way to resolve it is to let the people speak by voting. We need either a national referendum on gay marriage or a constitutional amendment on it. Let the people decide and lets all live by that decision.

Yes .. Put it to a vote by Electoral College

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

He never campaigned against it and has done more for gay equal rights than all previous Presidents combined.

Well, that's the problem for Redminnow, you see.

The most telling thing of all is that being FOR gay rights is no longer a strike against a politician.....the wheel has turned. Now, to a majority of voters, to be vocally against gay marriage/rights is a strike against.

It's not the President's position that pisses him off, it's that the rest of the country is following his leadership.

 

[Redfish]

Yes .. Put it to a vote by Electoral College

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

 

[bodecea]

Yes .. Put it to a vote by Electoral College

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

He never campaigned against it and has done more for gay equal rights than all previous Presidents combined.

Well, that's the problem for Redminnow, you see.

The most telling thing of all is that being FOR gay rights is no longer a strike against a politician.....the wheel has turned. Now, to a majority of voters, to be vocally against gay marriage/rights is a strike against.

It's not the President's position that pisses him off, it's that the rest of the country is following his leadership.

True. Nothing shows the mood of the majority of voters more than politicians now being for something.

 

[Redfish]

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

He never campaigned against it and has done more for gay equal rights than all previous Presidents combined.

Well, that's the problem for Redminnow, you see.

The most telling thing of all is that being FOR gay rights is no longer a strike against a politician.....the wheel has turned. Now, to a majority of voters, to be vocally against gay marriage/rights is a strike against.

It's not the President's position that pisses him off, it's that the rest of the country is following his leadership.

True. Nothing shows the mood of the majority of voters more than politicians now being for something.

then you support letting the people of each state decide? Good, thats progress.

 

[PratchettFan]

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

We don't have to. The matter will be resolved under the current system.

 

[bodecea]

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

You want to put civil rights to a vote, eh? You've lost and you know it....and now you are flailing. Not to worry, gays having the right to marry will not take away any of your rights.

 

[NLT]

The very last thing we need is Big Government and more invasive laws.

This is an issue that government should not have any say in at all.

Says the libturd whose hero is trying to get the government to control all our lives. Duddy only wants invasive laws that he approves of.

 

[bodecea]

The very last thing we need is Big Government and more invasive laws.

This is an issue that government should not have any say in at all.

Says the libturd whose hero is trying to get the government to control all our lives. Duddy only wants invasive laws that he approves of.

Morning, NLT.

 

[Redfish]

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

You want to put civil rights to a vote, eh? You've lost and you know it....and now you are flailing. Not to worry, gays having the right to marry will not take away any of your rights.

gay marriage is not a civil right. there is no mention of gay marriage in the constitution, its amendments, or the civil rights act of 1965. The only way to resolve it is via a constitutional amendment.

Any other attempted resolution will open the door for polygamy of all forms, sibling marriage, parent child marriage, and any other deviation humans can come up with.

why do you fear a vote of the people?

 

[Seawytch]

Presidential election, eh? Seems like the last two were won by the guy giving more support to gay equality.

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

What civil rights were decided state by state at that level? Desegregation? Nope. The end of anti miscegenation laws? Nope.

A majority of the SCOTUS will decide Chickenfish.

 

[bodecea]

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

You want to put civil rights to a vote, eh? You've lost and you know it....and now you are flailing. Not to worry, gays having the right to marry will not take away any of your rights.

gay marriage is not a civil right. there is no mention of gay marriage in the constitution, its amendments, or the civil rights act of 1965. The only way to resolve it is via a constitutional amendment.

Any other attempted resolution will open the door for polygamy of all forms, sibling marriage, parent child marriage, and any other deviation humans can come up with.

why do you fear a vote of the people?

Marriage IS a civil right...you can pout about it all day long, but it is. Ergo, unless you've got some compelling legal reason why including gays in that civil right causes harm........the government cannot deny that civil right to gay citizens.

So....rant all you want. I'm sure, in some way, it makes you feel like you've got some say in this matter.

 

[PratchettFan]

he was against it while running and for it after being elected. in other words, he is a liar.

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

You want to put civil rights to a vote, eh? You've lost and you know it....and now you are flailing. Not to worry, gays having the right to marry will not take away any of your rights.

We shall have to wait and see. Whatever decision the SCOTUS comes up with will become law. It should be interesting.

 

[Edgetho]

What civil rights were decided state by state at that level? Desegregation? Nope. The end of anti miscegenation laws? Nope.

A majority of the SCOTUS will decide Chickenfish.

Massachusetts outlawed Slavery (in its Constitution) before ANY of the European Powers.

Several other States had also outlawed slavery in their Constitutions before France or Britain or Spain.

The problem that caused the Civil War was that there was going to be enough Free States soon after 1860 that a Constitutional Amendment would have peacefully ended slavery but dimocrap scum in the South decided to attack Fort Sumter and secede from the Union rather than allow the process set up by the Founding Fathers to proceed.

It's how dimocrap scum work.

You just don't know history. Or much else, for that matter

 

[Redfish]

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

You want to put civil rights to a vote, eh? You've lost and you know it....and now you are flailing. Not to worry, gays having the right to marry will not take away any of your rights.

gay marriage is not a civil right. there is no mention of gay marriage in the constitution, its amendments, or the civil rights act of 1965. The only way to resolve it is via a constitutional amendment.

Any other attempted resolution will open the door for polygamy of all forms, sibling marriage, parent child marriage, and any other deviation humans can come up with.

why do you fear a vote of the people?

Marriage IS a civil right...you can pout about it all day long, but it is. Ergo, unless you've got some compelling legal reason why including gays in that civil right causes harm........the government cannot deny that civil right to gay citizens.

So....rant all you want. I'm sure, in some way, it makes you feel like you've got some say in this matter.

Using that logic then polygamy and sibling marriage are also civil rights. If a civil rights case can be made for two people of the same sex to marry then the exact same case can be made for 3 man and 4 women to marry. The legal and civil rights arguments are EXACTLY the same.

The only way is to have a constitutional amendment the limits marriage to two people who are not blood relatives.

So I ask you again, why do you fear a vote of the people?

 

[Redfish]

Aww...Redminnow has never, ever changed his mind in his life. Ever.

changing ones mind is totally different from putting forth two sets of lies for political gain. Obozo didn't change his mind, he changed his rhetoric to match what he thought was the political will of his contingency.

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

You want to put civil rights to a vote, eh? You've lost and you know it....and now you are flailing. Not to worry, gays having the right to marry will not take away any of your rights.

We shall have to wait and see. Whatever decision the SCOTUS comes up with will become law. It should be interesting.

So SCOTUS can make law? Really?

 

[bodecea]

So you say. And why do you think the political will of the voters of the U.S. has changed? Maybe that's what you should be asking yourself....and why you are upset that a President would change to fit such a political will (as if that's a bad thing)

it hasn't. But if you think it has, lets put it to a vote in each state and let the people decide. Thats the way this democratic republic is supposed to work-------------the people, not a few unelected judges.

if you want national gay marriage then lets have a constitutional amendment to clear it up once and for all. put it to a vote and see if 38 states will ratify it. You claim to have a majority, so lets do it.

You want to put civil rights to a vote, eh? You've lost and you know it....and now you are flailing. Not to worry, gays having the right to marry will not take away any of your rights.

gay marriage is not a civil right. there is no mention of gay marriage in the constitution, its amendments, or the civil rights act of 1965. The only way to resolve it is via a constitutional amendment.

Any other attempted resolution will open the door for polygamy of all forms, sibling marriage, parent child marriage, and any other deviation humans can come up with.

why do you fear a vote of the people?

Marriage IS a civil right...you can pout about it all day long, but it is. Ergo, unless you've got some compelling legal reason why including gays in that civil right causes harm........the government cannot deny that civil right to gay citizens.

So....rant all you want. I'm sure, in some way, it makes you feel like you've got some say in this matter.

Using that logic then polygamy and sibling marriage are also civil rights. If a civil rights case can be made for two people of the same sex to marry then the exact same case can be made for 3 man and 4 women to marry. The legal and civil rights arguments are EXACTLY the same.

The only way is to have a constitutional amendment the limits marriage to two people who are not blood relatives.

So I ask you again, why do you fear a vote of the people?

Then, work through the courts to make your case.