I Don't Believe George Washington Ever Existed

[Mad Scientist]

Since I was a kid I've been hearing stories about this so called "Father of our Country". Yes, there are stories of his life and what he did but people back then weren't very well educated and sophisticated as we are today. They could have been misinterpreting what was going on or under the influence of wine or moonshine which was widely manufactured in those times.

No picture exists of this man other than some paintings. That could be anyone in those paintings or it could all be a great hoax! Perpetrated by Separatists seeking to benefit from breaking away from England and getting no bid contracts for Revolutionary War machinery.

In fact, I'm so convinced that George Washington never existed and you good people have been lied to for so long that I'm gonna' post a new thread about the George Washington hoax every day until you all throw up your arms and say "Alright! Alright! You win! I believe you!".

Interesting sidebar: I do believe in 65 million year old Dinosaurs though. Plenty of Dinosaur fossils around as proof.

 

[RodISHI]

Originally published by Wesley Bradshaw, Copied from a reprint in the National Tribune
Vol. 4, No. 12, December, 1880

The last time I ( Wesley Bradshaw ) ever saw Anthony Sherman was on the 4th. of July, 1859, in Independence Square. He was then 99 years old, and becoming very feeble. But though so old, his dimming eyes rekindled as he gazed upon Independence Hall, which he came to visit once more.

"Let us go into the Hall," he said. " I want to tell you of an incident of Washington's life-one which no one alive knows of except myself; and if you live before long, see it verified."

"From the opening of the Revolution we experienced all phases of fortune, now good and now ill, one time victorious and another conquered. The darkest period we had, I think, was when Washington after several reverses, retreated to Valley Forge, where he resolved to pass the winter of 1777."

"Ah! I have often seen the tears coursing down our commander's care-worn cheeks, as he would be conversing with a confidential officer about the condition of his poor soldiers. You have doubtless heard the story of Washington's going into the thicket to pray. Well, it was not only true, but he used often pray in secret for aid and comfort from GOD, the interposition of whose Divine Providence brought us safely through the darkest days of tribulation."

"One day, I remember it well, the chilly winds whistled through the leafless trees, though the sky was cloudless and the sun shone brightly, he remained in his quarters nearly all afternoon alone. When he come out I noticed that his face was a shade paler than usual, and there seemed to be something on his mind of more than ordinary importance."

"Remembering just after dusk, he dispatched an orderly to the quarters of the officer I mentioned who was presently in attendance. After a preliminary conversation of about half an hour, Washington, gazing upon his companion with that strange look of dignity which he alone could command, said to the latter;"

"I do not know whether it is owing to the anxiety of my mind, or what, but this afternoon as I was sitting at this table engaged in preparing a dispatch, something seemed to disturb me. Looking up, I beheld standing opposite me a singularly beautiful female. So astonished was I, for I had given strick orders not to be disturbed that it was some moments before I found language to inquire into the cause of her presence."

"A second, a third, and even a fourth time did I repeat my question, but received no answer from my mysterious visitor except a slight raising of her eyes. By this time I felt strange sensations spreading through me. I would have risen but the riviting gaze of the being before me rendered volition impossible. I assayed once more to address her, but my tounge had become paralized. A new influence, mysterious, potent, irresistible, took possession of me. All I could do was gaze steadily, vacantly at my unknown visitant."

"Gradually the surrounding atmosphere seemed as though becoming filled with sensations, and luminous. Everything about me seemed to rarify - the mysterious visitor herself becoming more airy and yet more distant to my sight than before. I now began to feel as one dying, or rather to experience the sensations which I have sometimes imagined accompany dissolution. I did not think, I was only conscious of gazing fixedly, vacantly at my companion."

"Presently I heard a voice saying, Son of the Republic, look and learn; while at the same time my visitor extended her arm eastwardly. I now beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a strange scene. Before me lay spread out in one vast plain all the countries of the world - Europe, Asia, Africa, and America lay the Pacific."

"Son of the Republic, said the same mysterious voice as before, look and learn, while at that moment I behaeld a dark shadowy being, like an angel, standing, or rather floating in mid-air, between Europe and America. Dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand, he sprinkled some upon America with his right hand, while with his left hand he cast some on Europe."

"Immediately a cloud raised from these countries, and joined in mid-ocean. For a while it remained stationary, and then moved slowly westward, until it enveloped America in it's murky folds. Sharp flashed of lightening gleamed through it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people. A second time the angel dipped water from the ocean, and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud was then drawn back to the ocean, in whose heaving billows it sank from view."

"A third time I heard the mysterious voice saying, Son of the Republic, look and learn, I cast my eyes upon America and beheld villages and towns and cities springing up one after another until the whole of the land from the Atlantic to tha Pacific was dotted with them. Again, I heard the mysterious voice say, Son of the Republic, the end of the century cometh, look and learn."

"At this the dark shadowy angel turned his face southward, and from Africa I saw an ill - omened spectre approach our land. It flitted slowly over every town and city of the later. The inhabitants presently set themselves in battle array against each other."

"As I continued looking I saw a bright angel, on whose brow rested a crown of light, on which was traced the word, UNION, bearing the American flag which he placed between the divided nation, and said, " Remember, ye are brethen."

"Instantly, the inhabitants, casting from them their weapons became friends once more. And united around the National Standard."

"And again I heard the mysterious voice saying, Son of the Republic, look and learn. At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts; And taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia and Africa."

"Then me eyes beheld a fearful scene: from each of these countries arose thick, black clouds that were soon joined into one. And throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men, who, moving with the cloud, marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in the volume of cloud."

"And I dimly saw these vast armies devastate the whole country and burn the villages, towns and cities that I beheld springing up. As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannons, clashing of swords, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I heard again the mysterious voice saying, Son of the Republic, look and learn. When the voice had ceased, the dark shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth, and blew a long fearful blast."

"Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above, and pierced and broke into fragments, the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel upon whose head still shone the word UNION, and who bore our National Flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the Heavens attended by legions of white spirits. These joined the inhabitants of America, who I percieved were well-nigh overcom, but who immediately taking courage again, closed up their broken ranks and renewed the battle."

"Again, amid the fearful noise of the conflict, I heard the mysterious voice saying, Son of the Republic, look and learn. As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious."


"Then once more I beheld the villages, towns and cities springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice;

"WHILE THE STARS REMAIN, AND THE HEAVENS SEND DOWN DEW UPON THE EARTH, SO LONG SHALL THE UNION LAST."

"And taking from his brow the crown on which blazoned the word UNION, he placed it upon the standard while the people, kneeling down, said AMEN."

"The scene instantly began to fade and desolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious vistor, who, in the same voice I had heard before, said Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted."

"Three great perils will come upon The Republic, the most fearful is the third, ( The comment on his word 'third' is; The help against the THIRD peril comes in the shape of Divine assistance.), passing which the whole world united shall not prevail against her."

"LET EVERY CHILD OF THE REPUBLIC LIVE FOR HIS GOD, HIS LAND AND UNION."

"With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown to me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States."

"Such, my friends, " concluded the venerable narrator, " were the words I heard from Washington's own lips, and America will do well to profit by them."

..

 

[Zoom-boing]

If he never really existed then that guy in the painting in my parent's dining room is just some poser.

 

[Uknow_me72]

Interesting sidebar: I do believe in 65 million year old Dinosaurs though. Plenty of Dinosaur fossils around as proof.

That is proof that there were things that Humans called dinosaurs but that in no way puts a time stamp on anything, 65 Million years is a very uneducated guess and no way can something that lives 60-100 years old can say what happened 65 million years ago.

You think a bone would last that long?


Another thing about time.... put 65 millions years ago on your mind x 365 days a year...

So how many rotations ago was that.... alot..

Time is only counted on the revolutions the world has turned and only works when you have point in the rotation that you call start. It's the posistion you are on the planet that is relative to the sun and the start point that is choosen when to start the clock.

That's it.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Interesting sidebar: I do believe in 65 million year old Dinosaurs though. Plenty of Dinosaur fossils around as proof.

You think a bone would last that long?

I didn't say bone, I said fossil. A fossil is bone that has been permineralized or replaced and recrystalized. That being said, bones can only survive in their natural state for around 10,000 years.
You can believe that Dinosaurs existed because of the fossil record of the species. You can't believe that G.W. existed just because a human skeleton may or may not exist in a grave marked "George Washington" and stories exist of his so called life.

 

[editec]

Since I was a kid I've been hearing stories about this so called "Father of our Country". Yes, there are stories of his life and what he did but people back then weren't very well educated and sophisticated as we are today. They could have been misinterpreting what was going on or under the influence of wine or moonshine which was widely manufactured in those times.

No picture exists of this man other than some paintings. That could be anyone in those paintings or it could all be a great hoax! Perpetrated by Separatists seeking to benefit from breaking away from England and getting no bid contracts for Revolutionary War machinery.

In fact, I'm so convinced that George Washington never existed and you good people have been lied to for so long that I'm gonna' post a new thread about the George Washington hoax every day until you all throw up your arms and say "Alright! Alright! You win! I believe you!".

Interesting sidebar: I do believe in 65 million year old Dinosaurs though. Plenty of Dinosaur fossils around as proof.

I so understand your skepticism, and of course it is very healthy, too

I am highly dubious that Mecca exists.

I've never seen it.

Oh sure they show us pictures of it, but they could be easily photoshopped.

And yes, I've known people who say they were there, but they might be lying to me, too.

I think we ought to debate the existence of Mecca every day, too.

And what's more anyone who thinks we should not have this debate or that it's silly, just doesn't have my healthy sense of intellectual curiosity and has been brain-washed by the Meccan disinformationists.

 

[Toro]

If he did exist, then he wasn't a real American because he didn't let anyone who wasn't a white male over the age of 21 who didn't own land to vote, which makes him a leftist and leftists cannot be Americans.

 

[Uknow_me72]

I so understand your skepticism, and of course it is very healthy, too

I am highly dubious that Mecca exists.

I've never seen it.

Oh sure they show us pictures of it, but they could be easily photoshopped.

And yes, I've known people who say they were there, but they might be lying to me, too.

I think we ought to debate the existence of Mecca every day, too.

And what's more anyone who thinks we should not have this debate or that it's silly, just doesn't have my healthy sense of intellectual curiosity and has been brain-washed by the Meccan disinformationists.

Islamic religion was created and distributed by the RCC. The works that did not make the new version of the Catholic Bibles lead by the RCC were used to cause the division we see to day. The NWO scheme has been going long ago. This is the secret societies doings. It is the only reason for the secrecy.

So yea, Mecca doesn't exist the way it is said to.

 

[slackjawed]

Since I was a kid I've been hearing stories about this so called "Father of our Country". Yes, there are stories of his life and what he did but people back then weren't very well educated and sophisticated as we are today. They could have been misinterpreting what was going on or under the influence of wine or moonshine which was widely manufactured in those times.

No picture exists of this man other than some paintings. That could be anyone in those paintings or it could all be a great hoax! Perpetrated by Separatists seeking to benefit from breaking away from England and getting no bid contracts for Revolutionary War machinery.

In fact, I'm so convinced that George Washington never existed and you good people have been lied to for so long that I'm gonna' post a new thread about the George Washington hoax every day until you all throw up your arms and say "Alright! Alright! You win! I believe you!".

Interesting sidebar: I do believe in 65 million year old Dinosaurs though. Plenty of Dinosaur fossils around as proof.

i have to agree, and while we are at it, whats all this hooha about some imaginary character named michael jackson. isimply don't believe he existed at all. i have never seen anything except pictures and videos which, as we know, are usually faked.
I do believe in spongbob squarepants though. Somebody gave me a baby spongebob that i can hold in my hand. It's hard to deny the truth of that.......
Beware of the evil midget plot to enslave normal size humans.

 

[DamnYankee]

Looks like a photo to me.

 

[slackjawed]

Actually that is a lithograph from a painting. photography didn't exist then.

 

[Diuretic]

There's a lot of circumstantial evidence to show not only that he existed but he was actually the first president of the United States. But then he didn't make wild claims about his heritage either so I suppose it's easy for us to accept he existed.

 

[DamnYankee]

Actually that is a lithograph from a painting. photography didn't exist then.

Wondered about that. You're right. The first camera was in 1840.

So.... Since portraits were the only way to capture and preserve the imagery of the time, it would be logical to assume that the portraits of Washington are authentic. Can't imagine why anyone BACK THEN would paint a portrait of a non-existent being.....

 

[slackjawed]

There are paintings from that time period and before of angels and demons and sea monsters for example that don't exist.
It could be a 200+ year old conspiracy!!!!
Conversely, the monsters could be real........

 

[DamnYankee]

There are paintings from that time period and before of angels and demons and sea monsters for example that don't exist.
It could be a 200+ year old conspiracy!!!!
Conversely, the monsters could be real........

The Loch Ness monster is absolutely real....

 

[slackjawed]

agreed, so is bigfoot, and the tooth fairy (the tooth fairy retired and now runs a bath house in the castro district of san fransisco)

 

[DamnYankee]

agreed, so is bigfoot, and the tooth fairy (the tooth fairy retired and now runs a bath house in the castro district of san fransisco)

Dayum.... I missed the retirement party....

 

[Mad Scientist]

Actually that is a lithograph from a painting. photography didn't exist then.

Wondered about that. You're right. The first camera was in 1840.
So.... Since portraits were the only way to capture and preserve the imagery of the time, it would be logical to assume that the portraits of Washington are authentic. Can't imagine why anyone BACK THEN would paint a portrait of a non-existent being.....

See how easily you were fooled? I wonder how many people have been fooled by this one:

As far as I know, no one has seen Adams' or Gods' bones or seen pictures. All we hear are stories written by people we don't know. Obviously they have never existed.

I so understand your skepticism, and of course it is very healthy, too. I am highly dubious that Mecca exists. I've never seen it.
Oh sure they show us pictures of it, but they could be easily photoshopped.
And what's more anyone who thinks we should not have this debate or that it's silly, just doesn't have my healthy sense of intellectual curiosity and has been brain-washed by the Meccan disinformationists.

Brilliant! I hadn't thought of photochopping! So what you're saying is that any photographic evidence can be cast aside by claiming that it has possibly been "photochopped"? Feckin' brilliant!

"Meccan Disinformationists" great too. Makes it sound like there's some sort of evil secret society trying to spread hate and fear while like the Shriners, Masons or the Oprah Book Club.

 

[slackjawed]

This guy is real, and just waiting for an opportunity to enslave us all! Beware the evil midget plot!!!!!!

 

[DamnYankee]

Actually that is a lithograph from a painting. photography didn't exist then.

Wondered about that. You're right. The first camera was in 1840.
So.... Since portraits were the only way to capture and preserve the imagery of the time, it would be logical to assume that the portraits of Washington are authentic. Can't imagine why anyone BACK THEN would paint a portrait of a non-existent being.....

See how easily you were fooled?

There's a notable difference between you and me though. I admitted to having been wrong....