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Agreed.
9/11 is the justification for all this accelerated police state crap we see now.
If you do not support all the police state crap then the puppetmasters say you are making us all vulnerable to a terrorist attack that could happen at anytime, anywhere, by anybody.
In an article for Psychology Today, Ilan Shrira wrote: "Conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating."The reality is that it is people like you who are suffering from delusions and refuse to except the reality you were and are being lied to.Doesn't matter to thinking folks with a working brain who aren't mentally or emotionally handicapped like you. The NIST report wreaks of BS, fudged/changed/hidden data, doesn't explain or put any of the controversy to rest, and instead creates more.
Like the resistance of the structure being a normal and expected observation and absolutely consistent with physical properties, but then oops a miracle happened, the massive structure offered no resistance for for 8 story's and free fall DID occur, and then no mention of it being consistent with physical properties in their revised report, no explanation offered, hide the computer data, shut up and move along?
Fuck you. You may be easily duped, because you want and need to be, while showing off your lack of intellect, and lack of respect for yourself and your country in the process, but
there are many of us who don't take BS and nonsense for answers.
I suggest you take a look at the works and writings of those who have serious objections to the NIST report, and make an effort to compare their grievances with NIST. There are many, with good valid points who point out the inconsistencies deceptions along the way.
the works and writing you speak of are from people suffering from the same delusions you are!
You can't face it, it's a mental problem you have and that is understood, so you resort to attacking their character to keep your delusion going.
BS, you resort to minimizing that many people don't believe the OCT, and this has been evidenced by various polls.
I doubt you have even looked at any in any earnest, objective way. Your mental state that includes a need to be comforted and coddled, wont allow that.
Besides if you truly did read or take their works and papers into consideration for serious study, you would post something within them as an objection, or observation, it's obvious you don't bother to, as you just ridicule them with BS one line statements, and BS.
You're a hopeless idiot, 9-11 was not as it was explained to the US people or the world, and the nation needs people with the ability to think not merely follow and you're not needed so it is you that can go fuck itself.I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but that would be too little too late.
quote=daws101 extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence/ Carl Sagan.
So where is your extraordinary evidence that confirms NIST's BS, Dawgshit?
By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.
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btw this statement is bullshit " BS, you resort to minimizing that many people don't believe the OCT, and this has been evidenced by various polls." sister jones..
the largest percentage of us citizens to buy your bullshit was 1/3. and that was in 2005 ...it been in a steady decline since then.
daws101 said:]In an article for Psychology Today, Ilan Shrira wrote: "Conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating."
By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.
© 2011 CBS Interactive Inc.. All Rights Reserved.
9/11 conspiracy theories won't stop - CBS News
daws101 said:]In an article for Psychology Today, Ilan Shrira wrote: "Conspiracy theories help us cope with distressing events and make sense out of them. Conspiracies assure us that bad things don't just happen randomly. Conspiracies tell us that someone out there is accountable, however unwittingly or secretly or incomprehensibly, so it's possible to stop these people and punish them and in due course let everyone else re-establish control over their own lives. Conspiracies also remind us that we shouldn't blame ourselves for our predicaments; it's not our fault, it's them! In these ways, believing in conspiracies serves many of the same self-protective functions as scapegoating."
By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.
© 2011 CBS Interactive Inc.. All Rights Reserved.
9/11 conspiracy theories won't stop - CBS News
Idiot, you are the mentally challenged dupes that have to resort to the most outlandish of conspiracy theories like 19 Muslim jihadists with box cutters so you can blame them instead of taking responsibility for your nations predicament by blaming yourself for not paying attention to who and what has infiltrated your country, and just who and what your stupid blind ignorant ass is "voting" for.
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wrong! there are many unfounded allegations that nist has perpetrated a fraud.....but none have been found to be credible.WTC 7 was not brought down by fire alone. NIST has not proven that, and there are many instances of NIST fraud in trying to make fire the only explanation.
BS. Prove they are not credible I dare you.wrong! there are many unfounded allegations that nist has perpetrated a fraud.....but none have been found to be credible.WTC 7 was not brought down by fire alone. NIST has not proven that, and there are many instances of NIST fraud in trying to make fire the only explanation.
I triple dog dare you! ....BS. Prove they are not credible I dare you.wrong! there are many unfounded allegations that nist has perpetrated a fraud.....but none have been found to be credible.WTC 7 was not brought down by fire alone. NIST has not proven that, and there are many instances of NIST fraud in trying to make fire the only explanation.
Whow, the FBI, CIA, The whole of the Republican party, the airlines, the traffic controllers, the news feeds showing the airplanes striking the WTC, the families of the victims and now the BBC. What an incredible array of an conspiracy organization. All capable of keeping their mouths shut, amazing.
Not everyone you mentioned needed to be "in on it". A few rouge traitors in positions of authority, that no one thought, or dared to question, and their underlings just go about doing their jobs, unaware they were being used.
We can apply the same logic to Alqaeda..Such a huge elaborate plan...and no one talked?
Surely someone would have spilled the beans..no?
BTW, the BBC wasn't the only network that reported the premature demise of WTC 7.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFdcPv3XXI]New: Fox News 5 reports WTC 7 collapse BEFORE it happens - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PqbGfCcef0]9/11 CNN Reports World Trade Center Tower 7 Collapse Before it Happens - YouTube[/ame]
There's another station, I have a video of that mirrored these reports I have to find it, but
this is really amazing when you consider the other hi-rise fires that burned longer and were more engulfed, and no one assumed they were going to "collapse".
What's more, Fox news tried their best to obfuscate this contradiction that suggest fore knowledge, by having a reporter claim, he was told by Con Ed,and police, that Larry Silverstein was on the phone with his insurance company, trying to get approval to allow a CD of the building. Which also suggest that the building could be rigged in short order, OR it was rigged sometime beforehand.
"To dispute the conventional historical account is intellectually dishonest and nonsensical.
I know this because I was working as a journalist for Gannett News at Ground Zero that day, and I remember very clearly what I saw and heard."
"Governor Ventura and many 9/11 Truthers allege that government explosives caused the afternoon collapse of Building 7. This is false."
"Shortly before the building collapsed, several NYPD officers and Con-Edison workers told me that Larry Silverstein, the property developer of One World Financial Center was on the phone with his insurance carrier to see if they would authorize the controlled demolition of the building since its foundation was already unstable and expected to fall.
A controlled demolition would have minimized the damage caused by the buildings imminent collapse and potentially save lives. Many law enforcement personnel, firefighters and other journalists were aware of this possible option. There was no secret. There was no conspiracy."
Shame On Jesse Ventura! | Fox News
So, by this account, Silverstein was involved in the CD of the WTC 7. Interesting....
A lot of the OCT does not make sense, when one examines it closer, there's no doubt to objective, rational observers, that it is BS.
It was reported by an eye witness reporter in the link provided below, who was on the scene at WTC 7, who had been told by FDNY and others there, that Larry Silverstein was on the phone with his insurance company asking for permission to implode his own property. Thus this reporter is saying Silverstein saved lives yada yada, but what he idiotically doesn't reaslize in reporting this, is that such a massive 47 story hi rise could not be rigged in such short notice...while having isolated fires in it as well...You need to go to the link I provided. The news outlets were told that WTC 7 was going to crash. On the day the SCOTUS announced their ruling CNN and FOX first reported that the mandates were ruled against, they were wrong.
Just use some logic, why would they be given prior knowledge? Has anyone interviewed those reporters as to how they could have known?
As for being in on it, the reporters would need to be in on it. The fire chief would need to be in on it. There are way too many to be in on it to keep it a secret.
It is highly possible that for such a high tech operation as 9-11 and the implosion of such massive buildings, that self consuming det cord initiated by remote was used. You would have read about this if you dug deeper concerning the allegations of the truth movement and knowledgeable people in such fields that are part of it, including CD experts, physicists etc.. They have put forward a very plausible theory that includes the fraud perpetrated by the government agency known as NIST. Do you actually think the perps would use conventional tactics and risk the chance of "det cord" and other evidence laying around the rubble piles? I'm sure they never thought people would take the time to analyze the dust for chemicals of explosives or incendiaries either. What started the snooping was the fact that the towers and building 7 exhibited many of the characteristics of controlled demolitions, and the rubble piles burned/smoldered for 3 months after the attacks despite efforts to finally extinguish them including using shit loads of Pyrocool.-Freewill- The "conspirators" allowed the building, with the demolition charges already in place, to burn for 7 hours, and it did burn. Wouldn't they be at least a little concerned that the charges may ignite or that the detonation cords might be severed?
Both the 19 Jihadists and the phone calls as being totally true are very debatable. Do a search on both, including the testimony of the FBI regarding the calls, and you'll see that the story has changed with thesis on the technology at the time siding with the calls being very unlikely to have been made, and many "hijackers" reported to have been still alive with their passports and ID's being stolen or lost.-Freewill] -19 men took over a 4 planes as could be heard from the calls from those very planes. It is really time to see the real enemies.
I viewed the video of the man trying to say their time was off. It is not surprising that anyone when confronted with questions they were not prepared to answer or do not really understand would answer them badly. Sure looking back a the video it is easy to say what these guys should have said.
Anyway, here is an easy experiment for you to do. I viewed the video of the WTC 7 starting to fall. I see it start at the 32 second mark, but could have been sooner, and when it drops to just about where it can't be seen was about 37 seconds. This seems to be in line with what the NIST stated.
So to say either the NIST or the man commenting on the video is wrong is near impossible because it is subject to interpretation.
So let's do this. I got 5 seconds for the building to fall 18 stories, I didn't count them I just went by the video statement and when the building almost went out of sight. So that means in 5 seconds the building fell 180 to 270 feet. I again don't know the actual height of the stories so am guess 10 to 15 feet.
So using this calculator: Free Fall Calculator
For a free fall of 150 feet the time in seconds is 3.08, for 270 feet it would be 4.11 seconds well within anything that the NIST said. Not quite 40 percent different but not a few percent either. 39 percent for 150 feet and 18 percent for 270 feet.
So as you can see there are many factors that go into the calculation that the physics teacher may or may not have known. Certainly he would have access to a calculator it is just a matter if he had the right data to calculate.
Which brings us full circle and the conclusion I come up with is that this teacher is grading the NIST not necessarily proving anything. Whether or not the building free fell, which I don't see that it did, is not an indication of whether after 7 hours of burning they finally decided to implode the building. Even if the detonators were RF remote controlled that too could have been damage by fire and the initial blast from WTC 1 and 2 falling. Also with all the radio interference from emergency crews the demolition crew would be taking a big chance using RF.
Now, rationally ask yourself the very simple question that I posed in my first post. You do not need to rely on someone else's math. You don't need to rely on reports from unnamed reporters. All you need do is engage your logic. Why would the news reporters get information that the WTC 7 collapsed before it actually collapsed?
BTW, you posted this: "Evidence that contradicts NIST and the official story line is available, and contrary to what some on the USMB say, has not been explained or countered in any rational and scientific way. I find it laughable that when I ask these people to post any rational counter rebuttals they answer by saying that it has already been debunked, without ever linking to anything that advances their position and backs up their claim that the 9-11 attacks and the science of the massive building complex has already been explained adequately."
I did provide a link that completely demolished the theories you presented.
Here is another: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
Structural damage
I've seem how structurally damaged buildings fall, none have like building 7 did.
Structural damage
I've seem how structurally damaged buildings fall, none have like building 7 did.
What??? WTC 1 and 2 fell in almost the exact same way.
I've seem how structurally damaged buildings fall, none have like building 7 did.
What??? WTC 1 and 2 fell in almost the exact same way.
hardly.the towers were from the top down dumb ass...and the fact still remains any building other than wtc 1-2 or 7 have never fallen in the manner either did from fire or structural damage
