...investigation and impeachment proceedings are valid?
What evidence would need to exist short of Trump magically admitting wrong doing in full detail?
It seems as though you dismiss the investigation into Trump for two reasons and two reasons only and nothing will change your mind about it. Those reasons are:
1) Trump is a republican and you voted for him.
2) The democrats are behind the impeachment.
Is that it? What I find incredibly lame is that you don’t even think the investigation itself is necessary. You think the democrats or any investigative body should drop the whole thing. Based on all of the facts presented, you can’t even say “well, okay. Let’s look at a few things. There are a few red flags about this whole thing if I’m trying to be objective about it. Just let an independent body investigate it instead of those demo-rats!”
I would need a transcript or audio log, or two credible eye witnesses to conversation, in which Trump says openly something to the effect that his only purpose was to destroy Joe Biden because he was a political opponent. Something that indicated that he had no intention of pushing against Ukraine corruption, but rather the only reason he considered withholding aid, was ONLY for his political benefit.
That would be a deal breaker for me.
But it's got to be a transcript, or a audio log, or two credible eyewitnesses.... not this "Well I think he likely was possibly intended to mean when he said......"
that's a bunch of crap. Nothing I've seen so far has shown me much.
Okay so that is your standard of a smoking gun. Sure okay. But. What is your standard for there to be an investigation at all?
Well, I guess I don't have too much of a problem with them investigating.
I think my issue is, they finished investigating and impeached. To me, what I've seen from the investigation, showed nothing worth impeaching.
At least I didn't see it. I saw a ton of "He would benefit from Biden being investigated!" and "I think he did this because...."
Well duh, of course he would benefit.
Does that mean we never investigate any politicians in the world, where someone else could benefit from them being investigated?
That's ridiculous. How many Republicans have been investigated in the past 10 years, and a Democrat benefited from that investigation? Dozens.
Well according to your logic, we should not have investigated any of those Republicans, and we should have put all the Democrats on trial, and had them impeached.... because they benefited!.
That logic doesn't work for me.
And saying "Well I think he intended to...." does not work for me either.
Honestly, my entire perspective on this whole deal would be dramatically different, if Biden had not bragged about getting the Ukraine prosecutor removed, by saying openly that they won't get the money until he's fired.
It looked really really bad. Everyone knows it looked bad, because it was all over the news when it happened. So it wasn't just Trump.
If that had not happened, and Hunter was on the board, and Trump had just randomly asked for this... I'd be on your side of this argument.
But it did look really bad, and that is what Trump said in the phone transcript. I don't see anything here.