Humiliation, fasting, and prayer

[Taz]

There are believers today like William Layne Craig who do not believe Genesis and make up their own interpretation like theistic evolution. However, that's not God's word.

Something to consider: There are believers of Genesis who do not believe it is a literal account. For example, while the story is told with Adam being a single character, there are clues throughout Genesis that this was done for the sake of the story. Adam means man. Could it be that Adam was the first tribe/nation of man, and this nation lasted 930 years. Tribes began breaking off from Adam--The Tribe of Abel was massacred by the Tribe of Cain, and that tribe existed for 730 years.

There are other interesting interpretations as well. Long ago, Rabbis noted that what does not happen now, could not have happened then. Talking snake? Ever picture a particularly enticing cookie practically begging to be eaten? Could Eve had seen the snake approaching the fruit without fear? Non-literalists do not insist that any of Genesis happened this way, only suggest the possibility.

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

The problem is that you actually think those things happened without any actual proof.

 

[james bond]

There are believers today like William Layne Craig who do not believe Genesis and make up their own interpretation like theistic evolution. However, that's not God's word.

Something to consider: There are believers of Genesis who do not believe it is a literal account. For example, while the story is told with Adam being a single character, there are clues throughout Genesis that this was done for the sake of the story. Adam means man. Could it be that Adam was the first tribe/nation of man, and this nation lasted 930 years. Tribes began breaking off from Adam--The Tribe of Abel was massacred by the Tribe of Cain, and that tribe existed for 730 years.

There are other interesting interpretations as well. Long ago, Rabbis noted that what does not happen now, could not have happened then. Talking snake? Ever picture a particularly enticing cookie practically begging to be eaten? Could Eve had seen the snake approaching the fruit without fear? Non-literalists do not insist that any of Genesis happened this way, only suggest the possibility.

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

The problem is that you actually think those things happened without any actual proof.

No need to interrupt when you can't add anything worthwhile to the discussion. To the contrary, *you* are the one without proof. The proof is in the pudding -- the Bible. Look up how long Adam lived. Since the Bible is a history book, the answer is there.


I only post this for emphasis.

Why don't you get a life instead of trying to find contradictions with what God did or didn't do and rely on the Bible? You are a sad man, a very sad man (just replace bad with sad, but bad may fit, too ).

 

[Taz]

There are believers today like William Layne Craig who do not believe Genesis and make up their own interpretation like theistic evolution. However, that's not God's word.

Something to consider: There are believers of Genesis who do not believe it is a literal account. For example, while the story is told with Adam being a single character, there are clues throughout Genesis that this was done for the sake of the story. Adam means man. Could it be that Adam was the first tribe/nation of man, and this nation lasted 930 years. Tribes began breaking off from Adam--The Tribe of Abel was massacred by the Tribe of Cain, and that tribe existed for 730 years.

There are other interesting interpretations as well. Long ago, Rabbis noted that what does not happen now, could not have happened then. Talking snake? Ever picture a particularly enticing cookie practically begging to be eaten? Could Eve had seen the snake approaching the fruit without fear? Non-literalists do not insist that any of Genesis happened this way, only suggest the possibility.

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

The problem is that you actually think those things happened without any actual proof.

No need to interrupt when you can't add anything worthwhile to the discussion. To the contrary, *you* are the one without proof. The proof is in the pudding -- the Bible. Look up how long Adam lived. Since the Bible is a history book, the answer is there.


I only post this for emphasis.

Why don't you get a life instead of trying to find contradictions with what God did or didn't do and rely on the Bible? You are a sad man, a very sad man (just replace bad with sad, but bad may fit, too ).

The bible is a history book? You're delusional, it's no such thing.

So how did Noah get kangaroos and all the other animals from Australia and back again?

 

[james bond]

There are believers today like William Layne Craig who do not believe Genesis and make up their own interpretation like theistic evolution. However, that's not God's word.

Something to consider: There are believers of Genesis who do not believe it is a literal account. For example, while the story is told with Adam being a single character, there are clues throughout Genesis that this was done for the sake of the story. Adam means man. Could it be that Adam was the first tribe/nation of man, and this nation lasted 930 years. Tribes began breaking off from Adam--The Tribe of Abel was massacred by the Tribe of Cain, and that tribe existed for 730 years.

There are other interesting interpretations as well. Long ago, Rabbis noted that what does not happen now, could not have happened then. Talking snake? Ever picture a particularly enticing cookie practically begging to be eaten? Could Eve had seen the snake approaching the fruit without fear? Non-literalists do not insist that any of Genesis happened this way, only suggest the possibility.

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

The problem is that you actually think those things happened without any actual proof.

No need to interrupt when you can't add anything worthwhile to the discussion. To the contrary, *you* are the one without proof. The proof is in the pudding -- the Bible. Look up how long Adam lived. Since the Bible is a history book, the answer is there.


I only post this for emphasis.

Why don't you get a life instead of trying to find contradictions with what God did or didn't do and rely on the Bible? You are a sad man, a very sad man (just replace bad with sad, but bad may fit, too ).

The bible is a history book? You're delusional, it's no such thing.

So how did Noah get kangaroos and all the other animals from Australia and back again?

The Bible is a non-fiction book and it's a history book. What an ignoramus you are. You do not know and you will not know. In fact, I think taz ignoramus makes for a good scientific name.

 

[Taz]

Something to consider: There are believers of Genesis who do not believe it is a literal account. For example, while the story is told with Adam being a single character, there are clues throughout Genesis that this was done for the sake of the story. Adam means man. Could it be that Adam was the first tribe/nation of man, and this nation lasted 930 years. Tribes began breaking off from Adam--The Tribe of Abel was massacred by the Tribe of Cain, and that tribe existed for 730 years.

There are other interesting interpretations as well. Long ago, Rabbis noted that what does not happen now, could not have happened then. Talking snake? Ever picture a particularly enticing cookie practically begging to be eaten? Could Eve had seen the snake approaching the fruit without fear? Non-literalists do not insist that any of Genesis happened this way, only suggest the possibility.

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

The problem is that you actually think those things happened without any actual proof.

No need to interrupt when you can't add anything worthwhile to the discussion. To the contrary, *you* are the one without proof. The proof is in the pudding -- the Bible. Look up how long Adam lived. Since the Bible is a history book, the answer is there.


I only post this for emphasis.

Why don't you get a life instead of trying to find contradictions with what God did or didn't do and rely on the Bible? You are a sad man, a very sad man (just replace bad with sad, but bad may fit, too ).

The bible is a history book? You're delusional, it's no such thing.

So how did Noah get kangaroos and all the other animals from Australia and back again?

The Bible is a non-fiction book and it's a history book. What an ignoramus you are. You do not know and you will not know. In fact, I think taz ignoramus makes for a good scientific name.

So how did Noah get kangaroos and all the other animals from Australia and back again?

 

[Meriweather]

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

God authored creation, and as the author of creation He left clues in creation. No single human has ever--and is likely ever--to live hundreds of years. For a nation/tribe to survive hundreds of years is a feat in itself. Many of us cannot ignore what God's own creation is teaching us.

Genesis was never intended to be a science book. Its intent seems to be to pass on life lessons from one generation to the next so that hopefully future generations won't make the same mistakes.

It doesn't bother me that some of us who believe take the Biblical literally when it comes to science, whereas others of us separate the two. The Bible has a running theme, of how mankind continually gets things wrong, that we get things so wrong, the only solution always seems to be start over. We see this play out in the Old Testament over and over again, until the conclusion mankind arrive at is that not only does the earth have to be utterly destroyed, God Himself will have to come down if it is ever to reach its potential. The Books of Daniel and Revelation use Apocalyptic literature to paint a picture of how this might come about. It is all about new beginnings, something we all long for and desire, often intensely.

 

[BreezeWood]

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

God authored creation, and as the author of creation He left clues in creation. No single human has ever--and is likely ever--to live hundreds of years. For a nation/tribe to survive hundreds of years is a feat in itself. Many of us cannot ignore what God's own creation is teaching us.

Genesis was never intended to be a science book. Its intent seems to be to pass on life lessons from one generation to the next so that hopefully future generations won't make the same mistakes.

It doesn't bother me that some of us who believe take the Biblical literally when it comes to science, whereas others of us separate the two. The Bible has a running theme, of how mankind continually gets things wrong, that we get things so wrong, the only solution always seems to be start over. We see this play out in the Old Testament over and over again, until the conclusion mankind arrive at is that not only does the earth have to be utterly destroyed, God Himself will have to come down if it is ever to reach its potential. The Books of Daniel and Revelation use Apocalyptic literature to paint a picture of how this might come about. It is all about new beginnings, something we all long for and desire, often intensely.

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The Books of Daniel and Revelation use Apocalyptic literature to paint a picture of how this might come about.

- to paint a picture of how this might come about.

your false narrative ignores the true religion, The Triumph of Good vs Evil there will be no third chance for the latter your book envisions as the prescription that will be their final demise.

 

[james bond]

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

God authored creation, and as the author of creation He left clues in creation. No single human has ever--and is likely ever--to live hundreds of years. For a nation/tribe to survive hundreds of years is a feat in itself. Many of us cannot ignore what God's own creation is teaching us.

Genesis was never intended to be a science book. Its intent seems to be to pass on life lessons from one generation to the next so that hopefully future generations won't make the same mistakes.

It doesn't bother me that some of us who believe take the Biblical literally when it comes to science, whereas others of us separate the two. The Bible has a running theme, of how mankind continually gets things wrong, that we get things so wrong, the only solution always seems to be start over. We see this play out in the Old Testament over and over again, until the conclusion mankind arrive at is that not only does the earth have to be utterly destroyed, God Himself will have to come down if it is ever to reach its potential. The Books of Daniel and Revelation use Apocalyptic literature to paint a picture of how this might come about. It is all about new beginnings, something we all long for and desire, often intensely.

God was the transcriber of the Bible and the creator. He didn't have to leave clues about Genesis. I think you are taking too much liberty in saying he didn't mean what he said and left clues for humans to interpret. I'm not sure what led you to believe that. I'm not sure why you can't believe humans lived close to 1000 years. Didn't you believe that Adam and Eve were going to live forever? We all were supposed to live forever. Aren't we going to live forever in the afterlife?

I do agree that the Bible isn't a science book, but science backs up the Bible. Its intent is to let us know about God's word. We learn about it weekly if we go to church or do Bible studies.

As for your last paragraph, the only comment I have is there is no need to separate science and Bible even though the Bible isn't a science book. Science ends up backing the Bible.

Do faith in God and science contradict?
Do faith in God and science contradict?

 

[james bond]

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

The problem is that you actually think those things happened without any actual proof.

No need to interrupt when you can't add anything worthwhile to the discussion. To the contrary, *you* are the one without proof. The proof is in the pudding -- the Bible. Look up how long Adam lived. Since the Bible is a history book, the answer is there.


I only post this for emphasis.

Why don't you get a life instead of trying to find contradictions with what God did or didn't do and rely on the Bible? You are a sad man, a very sad man (just replace bad with sad, but bad may fit, too ).

The bible is a history book? You're delusional, it's no such thing.

So how did Noah get kangaroos and all the other animals from Australia and back again?

The Bible is a non-fiction book and it's a history book. What an ignoramus you are. You do not know and you will not know. In fact, I think taz ignoramus makes for a good scientific name.

So how did Noah get kangaroos and all the other animals from Australia and back again?

Not that again. I think it's better for you to do the work and learn. Then it will stay with you and you won't be someone who does not know and will not know. What part of the Bible do you have to study in regards to this? What topics of science do you have to learn to find the answer?

 

[Meriweather]

God was the transcriber of the Bible and the creator. He didn't have to leave clues about Genesis. I think you are taking too much liberty in saying he didn't mean what he said and left clues for humans to interpret. I'm not sure what led you to believe that. I'm not sure why you can't believe humans lived close to 1000 years. Didn't you believe that Adam and Eve were going to live forever? We all were supposed to live forever. Aren't we going to live forever in the afterlife?

The Bible is inspired by God, not transcribed by God. I disagree I am the one taking liberty. It wasn't until the Bible was translated into English that the English population began taking liberties. The age of the earth was not calculated by the Bible until the late 1800s. Certainly the Jews, who read and studied the Bible in its original language did not feel Genesis should be used to calculate the age of the earth. It wasn't until the Protestant "Reformation" where people decided they could read and understand scripture all on their own that these ideas about taking Genesis literally began to take hold in some segments of Christianity. Catholics, whose clergy studied traditional meanings of the Bible, did not arrive at the same conclusions--and still don't. However, the Catholic Church notes that there is nothing wrong in taking everything in Genesis literally, if that is how one cares to read it.

My own view is that we can learn more about God and His creation by studying and considering scientific facts as well. That is what is of highest importance to me--to know God to the greatest extent possible. Tying Him to magical tricks does Him no favors. Awe (fear of the Lord) lies in truth, whatever that truth leads. God guides us in spirit and truth, and He still has much to teach us about Himself.

Again, the Bible is not about science, and if one wishes to take everything in the Bible literally, this does not--or at least should not--affect our behavior towards God and others. The Bible is truly about our behavior and our relationships. Whatever one chooses to believe about the true age of the earth, or how long it took to create this planet, or whether the flood covered the entire planet really has no bearing on how one treats God or his fellow man. As we pass from this life into the next, the quality of our relationships--not whether we believe there were kangaroos on the Ark--is what is going to matter most to us.

 

[Taz]

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

God authored creation, and as the author of creation He left clues in creation. No single human has ever--and is likely ever--to live hundreds of years. For a nation/tribe to survive hundreds of years is a feat in itself. Many of us cannot ignore what God's own creation is teaching us.

Genesis was never intended to be a science book. Its intent seems to be to pass on life lessons from one generation to the next so that hopefully future generations won't make the same mistakes.

It doesn't bother me that some of us who believe take the Biblical literally when it comes to science, whereas others of us separate the two. The Bible has a running theme, of how mankind continually gets things wrong, that we get things so wrong, the only solution always seems to be start over. We see this play out in the Old Testament over and over again, until the conclusion mankind arrive at is that not only does the earth have to be utterly destroyed, God Himself will have to come down if it is ever to reach its potential. The Books of Daniel and Revelation use Apocalyptic literature to paint a picture of how this might come about. It is all about new beginnings, something we all long for and desire, often intensely.

Why didn't god simply make us the way he wanted us to be? And when will the earth be destroyed?

 

[Taz]

The problem is that you actually think those things happened without any actual proof.

No need to interrupt when you can't add anything worthwhile to the discussion. To the contrary, *you* are the one without proof. The proof is in the pudding -- the Bible. Look up how long Adam lived. Since the Bible is a history book, the answer is there.


I only post this for emphasis.

Why don't you get a life instead of trying to find contradictions with what God did or didn't do and rely on the Bible? You are a sad man, a very sad man (just replace bad with sad, but bad may fit, too ).

The bible is a history book? You're delusional, it's no such thing.

So how did Noah get kangaroos and all the other animals from Australia and back again?

The Bible is a non-fiction book and it's a history book. What an ignoramus you are. You do not know and you will not know. In fact, I think taz ignoramus makes for a good scientific name.

So how did Noah get kangaroos and all the other animals from Australia and back again?

Not that again. I think it's better for you to do the work and learn. Then it will stay with you and you won't be someone who does not know and will not know. What part of the Bible do you have to study in regards to this? What topics of science do you have to learn to find the answer?

There's no science that backs up a worldwide flood. No science backs up a 6 day creation of the world. ...

 

[BreezeWood]

Didn't you believe that Adam and Eve were going to live forever? We all were supposed to live forever.

Adam and Eve were going to live forever ...

where does that come from ...

Let us make man in our image ...

if you are going to reference science then from your own book, those in the metaphysical created physical beings that were placed in the Garden of Eden separate from the Everlasting. there is no statement they were immortal - - >

Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth

whatever they were replenishing was certainly something not mortal and a subjective role left unknown.

I think you are taking too much liberty in saying he didn't mean what he said and left clues for humans to interpret.

I think you are taking too much liberty ... he they didn't mean what he they said and left clues for humans to interpret.

bond projects something that was never written, the duration of their stay in the Garden nor does their book explain the purpose for their being there. and projects they are sinners for becoming knowledgeable of their own accord.


the christians insist their book is the only interpretation for humanities beginning and theirs is a flawless religion that includes - hopeless sinners, a need for a messiah and how that is interpreted and that the end will come in conflagration the Almighty will save "them" from ... the truth be told, christians, bond etc. are at best disingenuous. without their book they haven't a shred of evidence for any of their claims. the religion of the roman empire.

 

[james bond]

God was the transcriber of the Bible and the creator. He didn't have to leave clues about Genesis. I think you are taking too much liberty in saying he didn't mean what he said and left clues for humans to interpret. I'm not sure what led you to believe that. I'm not sure why you can't believe humans lived close to 1000 years. Didn't you believe that Adam and Eve were going to live forever? We all were supposed to live forever. Aren't we going to live forever in the afterlife?

The Bible is inspired by God, not transcribed by God. I disagree I am the one taking liberty. It wasn't until the Bible was translated into English that the English population began taking liberties. The age of the earth was not calculated by the Bible until the late 1800s. Certainly the Jews, who read and studied the Bible in its original language did not feel Genesis should be used to calculate the age of the earth. It wasn't until the Protestant "Reformation" where people decided they could read and understand scripture all on their own that these ideas about taking Genesis literally began to take hold in some segments of Christianity. Catholics, whose clergy studied traditional meanings of the Bible, did not arrive at the same conclusions--and still don't. However, the Catholic Church notes that there is nothing wrong in taking everything in Genesis literally, if that is how one cares to read it.

My own view is that we can learn more about God and His creation by studying and considering scientific facts as well. That is what is of highest importance to me--to know God to the greatest extent possible. Tying Him to magical tricks does Him no favors. Awe (fear of the Lord) lies in truth, whatever that truth leads. God guides us in spirit and truth, and He still has much to teach us about Himself.

Again, the Bible is not about science, and if one wishes to take everything in the Bible literally, this does not--or at least should not--affect our behavior towards God and others. The Bible is truly about our behavior and our relationships. Whatever one chooses to believe about the true age of the earth, or how long it took to create this planet, or whether the flood covered the entire planet really has no bearing on how one treats God or his fellow man. As we pass from this life into the next, the quality of our relationships--not whether we believe there were kangaroos on the Ark--is what is going to matter most to us.

I already said the Bible isn't a science book, but science backs up everything in the Bible. The Bible is God's word. Not an inspiration of God. It means once saved, always saved.

 

[james bond]

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

God authored creation, and as the author of creation He left clues in creation. No single human has ever--and is likely ever--to live hundreds of years. For a nation/tribe to survive hundreds of years is a feat in itself. Many of us cannot ignore what God's own creation is teaching us.

Genesis was never intended to be a science book. Its intent seems to be to pass on life lessons from one generation to the next so that hopefully future generations won't make the same mistakes.

It doesn't bother me that some of us who believe take the Biblical literally when it comes to science, whereas others of us separate the two. The Bible has a running theme, of how mankind continually gets things wrong, that we get things so wrong, the only solution always seems to be start over. We see this play out in the Old Testament over and over again, until the conclusion mankind arrive at is that not only does the earth have to be utterly destroyed, God Himself will have to come down if it is ever to reach its potential. The Books of Daniel and Revelation use Apocalyptic literature to paint a picture of how this might come about. It is all about new beginnings, something we all long for and desire, often intensely.

Why didn't god simply make us the way he wanted us to be? And when will the earth be destroyed?

Again with the 'god' (Satan has got you in his clutches good). God chose not to create robots who do his bidding. He gave us and the angels free will, but that was already explained to you. You'll have to stop being an ignoramus in order for you and believers to make progress.

I'm not sure when the earth will be destroyed, but think Sir Isaac Newton forecast it correctly. 2060. I'm waiting to see if Bruce Bueno De Mesquita confirms it, He makes his own predictions from his software program. He'll probably predict a nuclear armed Iran or about WW III before any religious prognostication like that. Will probably be something political or some great tragedy like a huge famine that wipes out a huge segment of the population. It's a difficult subject to talk with non-believers about because well, they're non-believers.

 

[james bond]

Didn't you believe that Adam and Eve were going to live forever? We all were supposed to live forever.

Adam and Eve were going to live forever ...

where does that come from ...

Let us make man in our image ...

if you are going to reference science then from your own book, those in the metaphysical created physical beings that were placed in the Garden of Eden separate from the Everlasting. there is no statement they were immortal - - >

Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth

whatever they were replenishing was certainly something not mortal and a subjective role left unknown.

I think you are taking too much liberty in saying he didn't mean what he said and left clues for humans to interpret.

I think you are taking too much liberty ... he they didn't mean what he they said and left clues for humans to interpret.

bond projects something that was never written, the duration of their stay in the Garden nor does their book explain the purpose for their being there. and projects they are sinners for becoming knowledgeable of their own accord.


the christians insist their book is the only interpretation for humanities beginning and theirs is a flawless religion that includes - hopeless sinners, a need for a messiah and how that is interpreted and that the end will come in conflagration the Almighty will save "them" from ... the truth be told, christians, bond etc. are at best disingenuous. without their book they haven't a shred of evidence for any of their claims. the religion of the roman empire.

Haha. Why do you interject your wrongness when you can't get past the Bible as scientific hypothesis for creation scientists. They don't expect atheist scientists to accept it except through the scientific method. However, they've been systematically eliminated from science, so their voices aren't heard.

 

[BreezeWood]

Haha. Why do you interject your wrongness when you can't get past the Bible as scientific hypothesis for creation scientists. They don't expect atheist scientists to accept it except through the scientific method. However, they've been systematically eliminated from science, so their voices aren't heard.

you can't get past the Bible as scientific hypothesis for creation scientists - However, they've been systematically eliminated from science, so their voices aren't heard.

... so their voices aren't heard.

that's not quite true bond, creation scientists were in charge till they were heard ... now they have what they had all along - nothing. T-Rex did them in.

 

[The Irish Ram]

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

God authored creation, and as the author of creation He left clues in creation. No single human has ever--and is likely ever--to live hundreds of years. For a nation/tribe to survive hundreds of years is a feat in itself. Many of us cannot ignore what God's own creation is teaching us.

Genesis was never intended to be a science book. Its intent seems to be to pass on life lessons from one generation to the next so that hopefully future generations won't make the same mistakes.

It doesn't bother me that some of us who believe take the Biblical literally when it comes to science, whereas others of us separate the two. The Bible has a running theme, of how mankind continually gets things wrong, that we get things so wrong, the only solution always seems to be start over. We see this play out in the Old Testament over and over again, until the conclusion mankind arrive at is that not only does the earth have to be utterly destroyed, God Himself will have to come down if it is ever to reach its potential. The Books of Daniel and Revelation use Apocalyptic literature to paint a picture of how this might come about. It is all about new beginnings, something we all long for and desire, often intensely.

Why didn't god simply make us the way he wanted us to be? And when will the earth be destroyed?

Again with the 'god' (Satan has got you in his clutches good). God chose not to create robots who do his bidding. He gave us and the angels free will, but that was already explained to you. You'll have to stop being an ignoramus in order for you and believers to make progress.

I'm not sure when the earth will be destroyed, but think Sir Isaac Newton forecast it correctly. 2060. I'm waiting to see if Bruce Bueno De Mesquita confirms it, He makes his own predictions from his software program. He'll probably predict a nuclear armed Iran or about WW III before any religious prognostication like that. Will probably be something political or some great tragedy like a huge famine that wipes out a huge segment of the population. It's a difficult subject to talk with non-believers about because well, they're non-believers.

If Jesus isn't God in the flesh, then Jesus was the greatest prognosticator that ever walked the earth. What He revealed in Revelation about the end time reads like the nightly news. He has the best track record so far. Time lines, activities during that time, war, famines, %'s of populations wiped out. What started it, who is on what team, and how it ends.

Ezekiel describes a future attack on Israel by Gog and Magog (Russia), and the mainly Islamic countries of Persia (Iran, portions of northern Iraq and Afghanistan), Cush (Ethiopia and Sudan), Put (Libya, possibly Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco), Gomer (Eastern Europe) and the House of Togarmah (Turkey and Armenia).

There ya go...

 

[Taz]

God's word is straight and we run into problems with human interpretation. The truth is stranger than fiction. One of the things that I had to get over was ancient humans being able to live close to 1000 years. God created Adam and Eve perfect to live forever. Their sin changed all of that as you know. The second change happened after Noah's Flood. The earth was bombarded with gamma rays and Noah's descendants could not live as long anymore. The max became around 120 years. Since we live in a world of entropy, we continue to decline. This is why we can procreate with our next of kin anymore.

There are parts in the Bible where we have to interpret what a day means such as prophecy. In Genesis, a day is a literal twenty-four hours.

God authored creation, and as the author of creation He left clues in creation. No single human has ever--and is likely ever--to live hundreds of years. For a nation/tribe to survive hundreds of years is a feat in itself. Many of us cannot ignore what God's own creation is teaching us.

Genesis was never intended to be a science book. Its intent seems to be to pass on life lessons from one generation to the next so that hopefully future generations won't make the same mistakes.

It doesn't bother me that some of us who believe take the Biblical literally when it comes to science, whereas others of us separate the two. The Bible has a running theme, of how mankind continually gets things wrong, that we get things so wrong, the only solution always seems to be start over. We see this play out in the Old Testament over and over again, until the conclusion mankind arrive at is that not only does the earth have to be utterly destroyed, God Himself will have to come down if it is ever to reach its potential. The Books of Daniel and Revelation use Apocalyptic literature to paint a picture of how this might come about. It is all about new beginnings, something we all long for and desire, often intensely.

Why didn't god simply make us the way he wanted us to be? And when will the earth be destroyed?

Again with the 'god' (Satan has got you in his clutches good). God chose not to create robots who do his bidding. He gave us and the angels free will, but that was already explained to you. You'll have to stop being an ignoramus in order for you and believers to make progress.

I'm not sure when the earth will be destroyed, but think Sir Isaac Newton forecast it correctly. 2060. I'm waiting to see if Bruce Bueno De Mesquita confirms it, He makes his own predictions from his software program. He'll probably predict a nuclear armed Iran or about WW III before any religious prognostication like that. Will probably be something political or some great tragedy like a huge famine that wipes out a huge segment of the population. It's a difficult subject to talk with non-believers about because well, they're non-believers.

So god gives us free will but punishes us when we exercise it and don't choose god. WHAT A ******* DOUCHEBAG!!!!!

Are we making any progress yet?

As for the earth being destroyed, so it won't be god destroying it? God's creations will do that for him? More douchebaggery.

 

[G.T.]