Hows that Sanctuary State worken for ya California?

[Slade3200]

For the first six years of the Reagan presidency (1981-87) The Republicans controlled the Senate, and the Democrats the House. In 1986, the Democrats recaptured the Senate (while retaining the House) and thereafter remained in control of both chamber until losing both in 1994....dumbass.

Folks who still actually buy into the notion that these "two" political parties actually oppose each other rather than work together in tandem provide endless hours of entertainment.

Our government is built for obstruction now with the filibuster that is not a filibuster, and one senator can block up the whole thing. Republicans though can use reconciliation to cut taxes on the rich. So down we go. Brilliant, dupes.

We'll never get anywhere until there is a landslide for the Democrats and reform.

No kidding, and who was it that changed the filibuster rule...dumbass.

The Dems did. Do you agree with their move?

You were talking about the filibuster when voting for judges that the Democrats changed in 2013. However oh, the filibuster until Nixon was very seldom used, didn't work. It was under Nixon that they made it 60 votes. They also made reconciliation, in other words 50 votes, possible when you're cutting taxes on people and services. So since Nixon obstruction and cutting taxes on the rich and giant corporations, has been made easier. The GOP platform.

I don’t play the finger pointing team sports game. I look at a move or policy position and judge on the merits alone. There are things that the Dems have done that I don’t agree with and things the reps have done that I don’t agree with... there’s also a shit ton of hypocrisy between the two.

 

[Slade3200]

How many can make the trip, line up work, and make a living?

How many can from Mexico and their southern countries?

As many as are able. If they can come here and get a job or start a business and assimilate into our communities then that’s the American dream. More power to them and us

Wrong. Too many damn people here already. We should be handing out birth control to the entire world, but of course you know the GOP, must do the dumbass right wing religious thing, no matter how stupid.

I drive cross country all the time and all I see is open land. There aren’t too many people, there is just overcrowding in city’s. We need to expand our infrastructure.

Yes, that land is where we grow food, raise animals, go for vacation to enjoy the beauty outside of the city. It's where a business may open up or perhaps an amusement park. You do know people multiply, right? Why do you want America to look like China in 100 years?

That’s not what I’m talking about. You are a truck driver Ray, you should know this better than most. There are ghost towns all over the USA. Manufacturing and rural America has shut down and migrated to the cities. You know I’m not talking about agg fields and national parks.

 

[Slade3200]

Agree. But trying to deport 10s of millions of people is going to send us backwards. We need to create better pathways.

Getting rid of them is easy and preventing more from coming in is easier. Pass a law that being here illegally is a first degree felony that comes with a minimum 5 year prison sentence. We won't need a wall, no E-verify, no worries about expired Visa's. One law would solve most of our problems with illegals today.

Again keep dreaming it’s not going to happen. Same tactic was tried with the “war on drugs” and look how that disaster turned out

Correct, it's not going to happen, that's why they keep coming.

A strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried.

Really? Did it work with drugs and gangs?

No it didn't, but addiction means you can't stop yourself. Nobody is addicted to coming into the US illegally.

Addiction and desperation are two things stemming from the same source

 

[danielpalos]

The right wing doesn't care about the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

this is the Express law: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,

there is no border security or wall building clause.

 

[Slade3200]

What requirements are you talking about?

U.S. Immigration Law

First they have to obtain a green card. That requires proof they will not be a welfare mooching public charge. Public charge refers to becoming dependent upon the government for the expenses of living (food, shelter, clothing, etc.) Second they must show proof of medical examinations and vaccinations that proves they are in good health.

That's just for a green card. After 5 years on a green card then they can apply for citizenship and get back in another line. That will require being able to read, write, speak English. Understanding of U.S. history and government. No serious crimes committed.

Got it, except for to deal with 10s of millions of people and families who have been living and working here for years, a new system is going to have been formed. Arranging a mass exodus is not realistic.

Right, so they come here, break our laws, and because they have been here illegally, change our laws for them.

What other country would do this?

Who cares what other countries do. We have a broken system that isnt working so changes need to be made. I think that’s pretty obvious.

No, there is nothing wrong with our system. The system allows a million foreigners to become citizens every year. Our system hands out over 11,000 Visa's every year. Our system allows people to come here with Green Cards, work and earn money, and take our American dollars back home so they can live a better life.

Now we have to change our laws because the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigrants has to get more generous?

Our system is completely overwhelmed and not working. It needs reform.

 

[francoHFW]

California is the microcosm of what some global socialists want to occur across the U.S. Wake up America, foreign police agencies and governments don't have your back.

Biggest economy, we keep the US on the world map....otherwise we would be known only by the KKK, KFC, and the ***** grabber lol

From what I see, California has been doing great under Jerry Brown, by taxing the rich more and investing in California. Rest of the country is dying for that too.

Yup, this is California...the sidewalks are paved with gold. Dumbass.

It is doing better than your state, Jethro.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Yes, the people decide what they want in our country. I’m expressing how I see it

I’m curious, do you always tend to put your ‘feels’ and self professed nobility ahead of what The People have decided is best for the country as a whole?
Are you always willing to accept the collateral damage such as Mollie Tibbetts’ murder as a direct result of demanding that Gustavo gets a chance here?

What exactly do you think I’m doing other than expressing my opinion?

Got it, except for to deal with 10s of millions of people and families who have been living and working here for years, a new system is going to have been formed. Arranging a mass exodus is not realistic.

So what you are saying is shoplifting should be legalized. 10 million people have been caught shoplifting in the past 5 years, its a crime, but because 10 million did it they should get a pass.

I never said a word about shoplifting. Why is it so difficult for you to understand what I say? You keep making these incorrect interpretations of my statements. What’s the deal here?

The deal is you’re circle talking bud and everybody sees it but you. Here, read this and listen to how foolish this sounds.

“I swear I don’t want ‘open borders’, I just want to dissolve ICE, I want a pathway to citizenship for the 29 million here illegally now, I want the 1.7 million DACA ‘kids’ gifted a form of citizenship and I want future Mexican immigrants to be able to become citizens without all the red tape....but, but, but....I swear, I don’t want open borders.”

Wtf are you talking about? I never said half those things. If you have to make up fake quotes to win an arguement then that’s pretty weak. You have a hard enough time accurately understanding the simple statements that I make. But who do you think you’re foolinng when you fabricate and distort the things I say? You have a problem. I’d work on it if I were you

Everyone respectable says 12 million.pass the goddamn national ID card like every other smart country, but doesn't have a stupid GOP involved..

like i have been telling your dumbass franco.....that wont work in S.Cal.....your lefty buddies the advocates will call you a racist.....

 

[francoHFW]

Folks who still actually buy into the notion that these "two" political parties actually oppose each other rather than work together in tandem provide endless hours of entertainment.

Our government is built for obstruction now with the filibuster that is not a filibuster, and one senator can block up the whole thing. Republicans though can use reconciliation to cut taxes on the rich. So down we go. Brilliant, dupes.

We'll never get anywhere until there is a landslide for the Democrats and reform.

No kidding, and who was it that changed the filibuster rule...dumbass.

The Dems did. Do you agree with their move?

You were talking about the filibuster when voting for judges that the Democrats changed in 2013. However oh, the filibuster until Nixon was very seldom used, didn't work. It was under Nixon that they made it 60 votes. They also made reconciliation, in other words 50 votes, possible when you're cutting taxes on people and services. So since Nixon obstruction and cutting taxes on the rich and giant corporations, has been made easier. The GOP platform.

I don’t play the finger pointing team sports game. I look at a move or policy position and judge on the merits alone. There are things that the Dems have done that I don’t agree with and things the reps have done that I don’t agree with... there’s also a shit ton of hypocrisy between the two.

What have the Democrats done you didn't like? Medicare Medicaid Obamacare minimum wage hikes cutting price of college loans etc etc. All good all Republicans want is to cut taxes on the rich and giant corporations and cut regulation so they can screw everybody over again. While distracting them with stupid immigration racism phony scandals and Hate b******* propaganda. They are a disgrace and so are you if you can't figure it out.

 

[francoHFW]

I’m curious, do you always tend to put your ‘feels’ and self professed nobility ahead of what The People have decided is best for the country as a whole?
Are you always willing to accept the collateral damage such as Mollie Tibbetts’ murder as a direct result of demanding that Gustavo gets a chance here?

What exactly do you think I’m doing other than expressing my opinion?

So what you are saying is shoplifting should be legalized. 10 million people have been caught shoplifting in the past 5 years, its a crime, but because 10 million did it they should get a pass.

I never said a word about shoplifting. Why is it so difficult for you to understand what I say? You keep making these incorrect interpretations of my statements. What’s the deal here?

The deal is you’re circle talking bud and everybody sees it but you. Here, read this and listen to how foolish this sounds.

“I swear I don’t want ‘open borders’, I just want to dissolve ICE, I want a pathway to citizenship for the 29 million here illegally now, I want the 1.7 million DACA ‘kids’ gifted a form of citizenship and I want future Mexican immigrants to be able to become citizens without all the red tape....but, but, but....I swear, I don’t want open borders.”

Wtf are you talking about? I never said half those things. If you have to make up fake quotes to win an arguement then that’s pretty weak. You have a hard enough time accurately understanding the simple statements that I make. But who do you think you’re foolinng when you fabricate and distort the things I say? You have a problem. I’d work on it if I were you

Everyone respectable says 12 million.pass the goddamn national ID card like every other smart country, but doesn't have a stupid GOP involved..

like i have been telling your dumbass franco.....that wont work in S.Cal.....your lefty buddies the advocates will call you a racist.....

B*******. You talking about voter ID.

 

[francoHFW]

What exactly do you think I’m doing other than expressing my opinion?

I never said a word about shoplifting. Why is it so difficult for you to understand what I say? You keep making these incorrect interpretations of my statements. What’s the deal here?

The deal is you’re circle talking bud and everybody sees it but you. Here, read this and listen to how foolish this sounds.

“I swear I don’t want ‘open borders’, I just want to dissolve ICE, I want a pathway to citizenship for the 29 million here illegally now, I want the 1.7 million DACA ‘kids’ gifted a form of citizenship and I want future Mexican immigrants to be able to become citizens without all the red tape....but, but, but....I swear, I don’t want open borders.”

Wtf are you talking about? I never said half those things. If you have to make up fake quotes to win an arguement then that’s pretty weak. You have a hard enough time accurately understanding the simple statements that I make. But who do you think you’re foolinng when you fabricate and distort the things I say? You have a problem. I’d work on it if I were you

Everyone respectable says 12 million.pass the goddamn national ID card like every other smart country, but doesn't have a stupid GOP involved..

like i have been telling your dumbass franco.....that wont work in S.Cal.....your lefty buddies the advocates will call you a racist.....

B*******. You talking about voter ID.

Going to be a Las Vegas raiders fan?

 

[Slade3200]

Thanks for the video, I’ve been searching for stats on how they are spending their allocated funds and this is the best I’ve seen. I trust and support our border agents. They work a tough job and deserve adequate resources.

I think Trump is shooting himself in his foot. He is so thirsty to get wins to brag about and is so quick to insult his opposition, he is putting the Dems in a very difficult position to give him anything he wants. He is trying to bully and strong arm which I’m sure worked for him in his business but that isn’t as effective in politics.

The is no art of the deal in this deal. It’s my way or the highway.

You don't understand. There is nothing Trump could do to work with the Democrats. Their stance is no wall no matter what. There is noting to talk about, nothing to trade, nothing to deal. No wall.

If he was a savvy politician he would be able to make a deal but he is using his NY bully strong arm tactics which is just going to pit his opponents against him in the strongest possible way. Yes the Dems will not give him a win because he has made this a hyperpartisan team sport situation.

No, the Democrats are not going to give him his way because they are the anti-white party and are trying tirelessly to make whites a minority in this country ASAP. A wall would work wonders and they know it. That's why they don't want it. It ruins their devious plan.

This is one of your dumber more ignorant posts Ray. You honestly think a party comprised of millions of white people are anti-white?! Get a clue

That's exactly what I think. Maybe you can change my mind! Answer this:

Why are Democrats fighting against the wall so hard they're even willing to have a government shutdown?

Why did the Democrat led Senate stop Kate's Law; a law that would have imprisoned deported felons if they returned?

Why are they fighting to keep their sanctuary cities and created sanctuary states after Trump got elected; you know, a state that allowed a police officer to get murdered and the Democrats could still care less?

Why do anti-white states give illegals drivers licenses, allow their kids to attend their schools, look the other way if they rent an apartment or house? Why are they trying to make it so comfortable for illegals they are even considering letting them vote in local elections?

Every other group outside of whites vote heavily Democrat. Once they get rid of whites, they have the ability to have a single-party country forever. Their white voters are like frogs in a pot of cold water on top of a stove. That's why they are trying to get rid of us. Once that happens, it will be the beginning of the end of the Great Experiment. We will quickly become Socialist, and then Communist.

There are two things that answer most of your questions.

1. Dems oppose trumps immigration policies mostly because of the harsh rhetoric that surrounds it. History shows Dems supporting border security, fencing, walls etc. so that’s not the source of their obstruction. It’s the stereotyping, demonizing, racism and xenophobia that has followed Trumps movement. Many Dems and free thinkers don’t want any part of that.

2. You see things like sancuary cities and outreach for illegal immigrants because sympathizers see desperate and poor people in search for a better life and they want to help them. You can’t deny that those people exist. On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.

Both sides need to start being more honest with their arguments.

 

[eagle1462010]

2. You see things like sancuary cities and outreach for illegal immigrants because sympathizers see desperate and poor people in search for a better life and they want to help them. You can’t deny that those people exist. On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.

Only about 3100 detainers out there.............all are looking for criminals..........many of them violent.........Sanctuary cities prevent LEA's from turning them over to ICE and notifying them......which in several cases has turned out badly..........

3100 versus the 396,000 apprehensions a year is a very small percentage................Sanctuary policies are just plain STUPID............and it has cost people their lives.

 

[karpenter]

On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.

Those Are Exactly Who The Sanctuary Policies Protect

 

[Slade3200]

Wrong. They come here because America is a great country that can provide them with opportunity and a better life. I don’t know when we got all hell bent on demonizing poor people seeking a better life, many of whom risk their own lives to come here because they don’t know how else to do it.

Then let me explain it another way:

Let's say you buy a house but your treasure is the backyard which is a wreck. You want to make it the backyard everybody in the neighborhood will envy. You spend every dime you have on a new lawn, hedges, flowers. But that's not enough, so you borrow thousands of dollars on your credit card which you will be paying on for years and years.

After all that money, all that sweat. hard work and time, you have a beautiful yard with an in-ground swimming pool, garden, playground for the kids, a patio that can seat 30 people. You come home one day, and some strange family is sitting on your patio. Their kids are in the pool. The mother is cooking ribs on your new grill you paid over $1,200 for. Would you accept that? Of course not. You'd call the cops and have them removed.

Our ancestors worked and gave their lives for this beautiful place we call the USA. Millions have died for it's freedom. The rest of us work to supply money so the government can run it. But like your rude neighbors, strangers look at all we've created, and decide to just plop on down in a seat and make themselves right at home.

If you want your backyard as nice as mine, do what we did. Don't come here and say "Hey! These people did all the work, let's go there and enjoy what they labored for!"

I can’t make sense out of comparing somebodies personal private property and people living in a country. We all live in this world and cohabitate with each other. I see more people as opportunity to grow our workforce and our economy. I also don’t feel like I have the right to throw up the closed sign on an entire country just because I was lucky enough to be born here

I do. After all, if you feel like going out and drinking, you can find some corner bar, deal with drunken assholes, and possibly get in a fist fight. If you want a more civil environment, you need to go to a club where members are under guidelines.

But you can't just walk into a club. It's members only and most people can't get in. That's what makes it a great place to begin with. They keep the rift raft out. Then the establishment is civil, quiet and enjoyable.

That's what the United States is; a private club. Not anybody can just waltz in. If you want to join, that's fine. Fill out an application and let the heads of the establishment review it and come to a decision.

The USA is not a private club IMO. It is a nation of opportunity in which there can be private clubs, private land and private businesses.

Then what you are saying is that this great country is like the corner punch palace. Anybody can drift in and ruin it if they desire. They can come here and rob, assault, and even murder people.

When it was more like a private club, we didn't have half the problems we have today. Get it now?

What are you talking about? I didn’t say any of that crap nor am I advocating for open borders

 

[francoHFW]

On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.

Those Are Exactly Who The Sanctuary Policies Protect

BS. Sanctuary policies protect witnesses and brings out witnesses against the criminals. People who will be given amnesty when the GOP get serious. And we get a national ID card the only solution.

 

[bodecea]

Gustavo Perez Arriaga has been arrested for allegedly killing a CA police officer

Gustavo Perez Arriaga - Bing video

T's & P's to the officer's family.

 

[karpenter]

BS. Sanctuary policies protect witnesses and brings out witnesses against the criminals. People who will be given amnesty when the GOP get serious. And we get a national ID card the only solution.

B.S.
Sanctuary Is Releasing Proven Criminals

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You don't understand. There is nothing Trump could do to work with the Democrats. Their stance is no wall no matter what. There is noting to talk about, nothing to trade, nothing to deal. No wall.

If he was a savvy politician he would be able to make a deal but he is using his NY bully strong arm tactics which is just going to pit his opponents against him in the strongest possible way. Yes the Dems will not give him a win because he has made this a hyperpartisan team sport situation.

No, the Democrats are not going to give him his way because they are the anti-white party and are trying tirelessly to make whites a minority in this country ASAP. A wall would work wonders and they know it. That's why they don't want it. It ruins their devious plan.

This is one of your dumber more ignorant posts Ray. You honestly think a party comprised of millions of white people are anti-white?! Get a clue

That's exactly what I think. Maybe you can change my mind! Answer this:

Why are Democrats fighting against the wall so hard they're even willing to have a government shutdown?

Why did the Democrat led Senate stop Kate's Law; a law that would have imprisoned deported felons if they returned?

Why are they fighting to keep their sanctuary cities and created sanctuary states after Trump got elected; you know, a state that allowed a police officer to get murdered and the Democrats could still care less?

Why do anti-white states give illegals drivers licenses, allow their kids to attend their schools, look the other way if they rent an apartment or house? Why are they trying to make it so comfortable for illegals they are even considering letting them vote in local elections?

Every other group outside of whites vote heavily Democrat. Once they get rid of whites, they have the ability to have a single-party country forever. Their white voters are like frogs in a pot of cold water on top of a stove. That's why they are trying to get rid of us. Once that happens, it will be the beginning of the end of the Great Experiment. We will quickly become Socialist, and then Communist.

There are two things that answer most of your questions.

1. Dems oppose trumps immigration policies mostly because of the harsh rhetoric that surrounds it. History shows Dems supporting border security, fencing, walls etc. so that’s not the source of their obstruction. It’s the stereotyping, demonizing, racism and xenophobia that has followed Trumps movement. Many Dems and free thinkers don’t want any part of that.

2. You see things like sancuary cities and outreach for illegal immigrants because sympathizers see desperate and poor people in search for a better life and they want to help them. You can’t deny that those people exist. On the flip side there are also bad hombres that illegally cross the border so that should also be acknowledged.

Both sides need to start being more honest with their arguments.

That goes double for you.

Nobody closes down the government because they don't like somebody. Democrats don't do a thing unless it benefits them. Don't believe me, look at California today. No, they were never tough on immigration. They have the same attitude you do; the more the merrier. Make it look like they care while turning their heads the other way.

As I clearly pointed out, they are doing everything possible to bring in and make these people comfortable living here illegally. Think it's because they are such nice people?

You better look at the man behind the curtain. The party who starts their gun control rant every mass shooting are the same people telling us don't let foreigners who murder Americans be the epitome of all illegals.

I don't have children therefore will have no grandchildren. But when my niece and nephew do, they can explain to them how their Uncle fought against the demise of this country. What will your grandchildren be asking of you?

 

[bodecea]

Gustavo Perez Arriaga has been arrested for allegedly killing a CA police officer

Gustavo Perez Arriaga - Bing video

Good, get these gang bangers off the street.

You do realize he is an illegal alien?

Yes but I’m not out to demonize illegal aliens because one was a gang banger. It’s not an honest position to take.

An honest position is that it doesn't matter if it's one cop or a hundred. The left simply doesn't care. All the Americans that died at the hands of these foreigners doesn't matter. What matters is getting and keeping as many of them in this country as possible.

Sandy Hook...et all.

 

[eagle1462010]

Stats before and after installing barriers............from the CBP