How would this have gone differently if guns were illegal?


If the man hadn't have been able to get a gun in the first place then what?

If the man had been able to buy a gun but it had cost a lot more, and he knew it was more likely to be confiscated by the police if ever found, then what?

Some facts. The US locks up more people than every country except one. It's lock up rate is 707 per 100,000, only the Seychelles has higher. England and Wales has 148. So, for every prisoner in the UK, the US has 4.7.

The US has a murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000. The UK has 1.0 per 100,000.

Supposedly locking people up helps reduce crime.

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the US, and higher crime rates than most states. Clearly that doesn't work.

The US has more guns, more murder, more people in prison. Simple.
 
Who knows. What's the murder rate in the UK and Canada again?
How those nations do with national identity and cohesion resulting in civi discipline instead of being torn apart by race baiters, PC and religious divisions. Could have brought up Israel and Switzerland where gun ownership is civic duty yet the murder rate is insignificant. Again, could it be civil discipline, national cohesion?
 

If the man hadn't have been able to get a gun in the first place then what?

If the man had been able to buy a gun but it had cost a lot more, and he knew it was more likely to be confiscated by the police if ever found, then what?

Some facts. The US locks up more people than every country except one. It's lock up rate is 707 per 100,000, only the Seychelles has higher. England and Wales has 148. So, for every prisoner in the UK, the US has 4.7.

The US has a murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000. The UK has 1.0 per 100,000.

Supposedly locking people up helps reduce crime.

Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate in the US, and higher crime rates than most states. Clearly that doesn't work.

The US has more guns, more murder, more people in prison. Simple.





How do you keep a bad guy from getting a gun? Almost all guns are illegal in Mexico. How has that worked out for them?
 
Who knows. What's the murder rate in the UK and Canada again?
How those nations do with national identity and cohesion resulting in civi discipline instead of being torn apart by race baiters, PC and religious divisions. Could have brought up Israel and Switzerland where gun ownership is civic duty yet the murder rate is insignificant. Again, could it be civil discipline, national cohesion?
Wow sounds like you hate America s0n.
 
Who knows. What's the murder rate in the UK and Canada again?

Higher than Switzerland.

You have to understand Switzerland. It's not a country with people walking around with guns all over the place. People have guns locked away in their homes. They do, occasionally, have people go nuts with guns, however.

Also, they have a higher GDP, it also has better income equality, it actually looks after its people, has better education and its politics isn't blatantly partisan with big money controlling everything.

Basically Switzerland is a better country to live in, and as such sees lower crime in general.
 
Who knows. What's the murder rate in the UK and Canada again?

Higher than Switzerland.

You have to understand Switzerland. It's not a country with people walking around with guns all over the place. People have guns locked away in their homes. They do, occasionally, have people go nuts with guns, however.

Also, they have a higher GDP, it also has better income equality, it actually looks after its people, has better education and its politics isn't blatantly partisan with big money controlling everything.

Basically Switzerland is a better country to live in, and as such sees lower crime in general.






Are you crazy? The cost of living in Switzerland makes anyone who lives there in the top one percent of the world.
 
Who knows. What's the murder rate in the UK and Canada again?

Higher than Switzerland.

You have to understand Switzerland. It's not a country with people walking around with guns all over the place. People have guns locked away in their homes. They do, occasionally, have people go nuts with guns, however.

Also, they have a higher GDP, it also has better income equality, it actually looks after its people, has better education and its politics isn't blatantly partisan with big money controlling everything.

Basically Switzerland is a better country to live in, and as such sees lower crime in general.






Are you crazy? The cost of living in Switzerland makes anyone who lives there in the top one percent of the world.
Including the muslims all you cons keep saying are invading their country?
 
How do you keep a bad guy from getting a gun? Almost all guns are illegal in Mexico. How has that worked out for them?

It's one of those questions isn't it?

Some countries, like Mexico, seem to be too poor (or too something, perhaps corrupt) to do much about enforcing their laws. I mean, they have serious gang problems that they can't control. So, how does Mexico control this? Simply said they can't, or won't.

So clearly they're going to have problems. In third world countries crime is higher, murder is higher, for the simple fact that the police can't do their job and there are major problems in society which means that people find crime often pays very well, or die trying.

The US is different. It has the money to spend. Clearly if it's spending 5 times more money on its prison system than other countries in a similar GDP bracket, then you wonder why it isn't spending this money stopping the crime happening in the first place. This appears to be what I'd call corruption, others call it politics.

In the UK it is possible for criminals to get guns. They're less likely to use them (ie, pulling the trigger) because guns are harder to get, and cost a lot more to get. So, you're putting more on the line. Also guns are less a part of criminal culture because guns aren't so readily available. Just having a gun is a status symbol, unlike in the US.

How to stop guns. Firstly with good checks on things coming into the country. In the UK people have successfully bought guns off the internet from the US. Shouldn't be possible, but it has been.

However in the US with legal guns you have a ready supply of guns for the illegal market. So it's almost impossible to stop criminals getting guns.
 
Who knows. What's the murder rate in the UK and Canada again?

Higher than Switzerland.

You have to understand Switzerland. It's not a country with people walking around with guns all over the place. People have guns locked away in their homes. They do, occasionally, have people go nuts with guns, however.

Also, they have a higher GDP, it also has better income equality, it actually looks after its people, has better education and its politics isn't blatantly partisan with big money controlling everything.

Basically Switzerland is a better country to live in, and as such sees lower crime in general.






Are you crazy? The cost of living in Switzerland makes anyone who lives there in the top one percent of the world.

Clearly it doesn't. Have you ever been to Switzerland?
 
Who knows. What's the murder rate in the UK and Canada again?

Higher than Switzerland.

You have to understand Switzerland. It's not a country with people walking around with guns all over the place. People have guns locked away in their homes. They do, occasionally, have people go nuts with guns, however.

Also, they have a higher GDP, it also has better income equality, it actually looks after its people, has better education and its politics isn't blatantly partisan with big money controlling everything.

Basically Switzerland is a better country to live in, and as such sees lower crime in general.

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Who knows. What's the murder rate in the UK and Canada again?

Higher than Switzerland.

You have to understand Switzerland. It's not a country with people walking around with guns all over the place. People have guns locked away in their homes. They do, occasionally, have people go nuts with guns, however.

Also, they have a higher GDP, it also has better income equality, it actually looks after its people, has better education and its politics isn't blatantly partisan with big money controlling everything.

Basically Switzerland is a better country to live in, and as such sees lower crime in general.

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You mean, because I don't do answers that can fit in one line, and I actually look at the reality of a situation, rather than throwing one fact at someone and expecting this to win some kind of argument, that I'm somehow wrong or something?

One of the major problems of this board is that people are talking politics simple style. No one is actually confronting the reality of the issue.

Oh, Switzerland has some guns and it has lower murder rate, therefore guns aren't a problem in the US.

Right.......

Let's have a simple party.
 
How do you keep a bad guy from getting a gun? Almost all guns are illegal in Mexico. How has that worked out for them?

It's one of those questions isn't it?

Some countries, like Mexico, seem to be too poor (or too something, perhaps corrupt) to do much about enforcing their laws. I mean, they have serious gang problems that they can't control. So, how does Mexico control this? Simply said they can't, or won't.

So clearly they're going to have problems. In third world countries crime is higher, murder is higher, for the simple fact that the police can't do their job and there are major problems in society which means that people find crime often pays very well, or die trying.

The US is different. It has the money to spend. Clearly if it's spending 5 times more money on its prison system than other countries in a similar GDP bracket, then you wonder why it isn't spending this money stopping the crime happening in the first place. This appears to be what I'd call corruption, others call it politics.

In the UK it is possible for criminals to get guns. They're less likely to use them (ie, pulling the trigger) because guns are harder to get, and cost a lot more to get. So, you're putting more on the line. Also guns are less a part of criminal culture because guns aren't so readily available. Just having a gun is a status symbol, unlike in the US.

How to stop guns. Firstly with good checks on things coming into the country. In the UK people have successfully bought guns off the internet from the US. Shouldn't be possible, but it has been.

However in the US with legal guns you have a ready supply of guns for the illegal market. So it's almost impossible to stop criminals getting guns.





Here's the deal though. Take out the violence from the top 10 progressive controlled cities in the US and our crime rate drops to Europe's. 10 cities skew our crime rate that much.
 
It really boggles my mind when liberals honestly want to suggest that it's even possible to eliminate guns from the country. Pass a law if it makes you feel good. Go door to door and round up every single gun you find. Let's fly across the galaxy in the starship Enterprise and find Q and beg him to snap his fingers and make all the guns disappear.

But what is going to stop someone from making their own guns?
 

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