How We Caught The Political 'Ebola Virus'

[CrusaderFrank]

Well, even if you accept the rather questionable premise that we 'won' the Cold War, given that the current ex-Soviet bloc has just about as many missiles pointed at us as before, and certainly just as much capability to destroy us as before,

setting that aside,

we weren't the only nation to 'win' the Cold War -

all of our so-called socialist European allies won too.

How did they win? Mostly by getting us to pay for it. lol, a rather enterprising scam pulled on us,

the supposed champions of enterprise.

^ Passed Progressive History, Failed US History


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A]Reagan at Brandenburg Gate - "tear down this wall" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well, even if you accept the rather questionable premise that we 'won' the Cold War, given that the current ex-Soviet bloc has just about as many missiles pointed at us as before, and certainly just as much capability to destroy us as before,

setting that aside,

we weren't the only nation to 'win' the Cold War -

all of our so-called socialist European allies won too.

How did they win? Mostly by getting us to pay for it. lol, a rather enterprising scam pulled on us,

the supposed champions of enterprise.

Well we did win the cold war. at least conservatives did. but then we let libs get back in control and they opened the door and gave the russians free range.

I don't remember us destroying Russia's weapons of mass destruction. When did that happen?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Liberalism is a mental disorder stemming from dysfunctional childhood experiences and compounded by feelings of guilt and dissatisfaction that can only be assuaged by projecting evil motives to and controlling those who do not share these feelings.

Ironically it was the Soviets who who used the 'mental disorder' tactic frequently to dispose of dissidents.

You're right out of the same school.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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b. But....so what, you say: they would have gotten it eventually.
This view "masks a complete lack of comprehension when it comes to discerning any possible distinction between nuclear-enhanced Gulag-might, and nuclear-enhanced constitutional rights....and signals the train of thoughts terminus in the brick wall of 'moral equivalence.'"
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 38.

The author of the above word salad, Diana West, is a maniacal diehard birther:

Diana West Discusses Obama's Forged Birth Certificate and Selective Service Registration | Birther Report: Obama Release Your Records

...not to shoot the messenger, but if PC is asking us to trust her judgment, well...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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b. But....so what, you say: they would have gotten it eventually.
This view "masks a complete lack of comprehension when it comes to discerning any possible distinction between nuclear-enhanced Gulag-might, and nuclear-enhanced constitutional rights....and signals the train of thoughts terminus in the brick wall of 'moral equivalence.'"
Diana West, "American Betrayal," p. 38.

The author of the above word salad, Diana West, is a maniacal diehard birther:

Diana West Discusses Obama's Forged Birth Certificate and Selective Service Registration | Birther Report: Obama Release Your Records

...not to shoot the messenger, but if PC is asking us to trust her judgment, well...

You add so little to the discussion

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[Bfgrn]

You make this far too easy.
Like shootin' fish in a barrel....and you're the fish.


1. "You seek ammunition to demean liberals and liberalism like a vulture."
Be serious.... liberals and liberalism demean themselves by their very nature!
Eugenics, gulags......the collective over the individuaL....


2. "I've been around long enough to have lived during the liberal era..."
When you were a kid, were the rainbows in black and white?


3. "....the conservative era that followed."
You mean the end of the Evil Empire, and freeing of Eastern Europe???
You're welcome.


4. "America is suffering from today is not because of liberals."
Two words: Barack Obama.


5. "The Reagan revolution was a catastrophic failure."
"The second effect of the Reagan years was to launch America into what is now widely regarded as a remarkable 15-year low-inflation, high-employment bull market (the Dow was at 800 in 1982, 8,000 today)—interrupted only mildly in the middle Bush years. These 15 years of prosperity were propelled by Reaganomics: lower tax rates, a long-run decline in inflation and interest rates (which also lowers tax rates), freer international trade and a strong dollar. Even with the anti-supply-side Bush and Clinton tax hikes, the top tax rate today of 40% is far below the towering 70% tax rate that disabled the economy in the 1970s. The end of the Cold War has created an international environment of peace and stability, nudging the economy into still higher gear in recent years."
Who Balanced the Budget? | Cato Institute

I am going to ask you a direct question. I expect a direct answer, not your usual litany of obfuscation.

How do you answer David Stockman's claim?

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

Democrats controlled Congress and LIED to Reagan that they would institute spending cuts

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

Bullshit Frank. You keep trying to pass off this lie even after I proved you wrong.

Reagan got what HE wanted...

Conservatives are embarrassed by the way Reagan and the Bushes ran the debt up and out of control. So they have invented a cover story: The Democratic Congress did it. I have run into this lie dozens of times. So, I dug deep to set the record straight.

As the figure shows, Reagan and Bush senior got almost exactly the budgets they requested in each of their 12 budget years.

Reagan:

• The first budget — passed by all Republicans and a few conservative Southern Democrats.

* This increased the debt by $144 Billion.​

• The next 5 budgets — passed by the Republican Senate and signed by Reagan.

• The last 2 budgets — passed by a Democratic Congress

* Totaled slightly less than Reagan requested.​

G. H. W. Bush:

• Democratic Congresses under Bush passed smaller budgets than he requested in 3 out of 4 years.

• These four Democratic budgets totaled $14.6 Billion less than Bush requested.

G. W. Bush:

• The first two budgets — Senate was split 50/50 and the House was Democratic.

* Bipartisan and totaled $20 Billion less than Bush requested.​

* The biggest cause of deficits was Bush's enormous tax cut, mainly for the rich.​

• The next 4 budgets — the Congress was solid Republican.

• The last 2 budgets — Bush vetoed modest Democratic attempts at spending.

In summary: Democrats controlled Congress during 8 out the 20 years. During 4 of those years, Democrats decreased the budgets proposed by the Republican presidents. Their total effect during those 8 years was to reduce Republican budgets by $17 Billion (which is only 0.2%).

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[NYcarbineer]

Well, even if you accept the rather questionable premise that we 'won' the Cold War, given that the current ex-Soviet bloc has just about as many missiles pointed at us as before, and certainly just as much capability to destroy us as before,

setting that aside,

we weren't the only nation to 'win' the Cold War -

all of our so-called socialist European allies won too.

How did they win? Mostly by getting us to pay for it. lol, a rather enterprising scam pulled on us,

the supposed champions of enterprise.

^ Passed Progressive History, Failed US History


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A]Reagan at Brandenburg Gate - "tear down this wall" - YouTube[/ame]

That you think the Cold War was about nothing more than whether or not there was a Berlin Wall is the least surprising thing I've read all day.

 

[NoNukes]

Bill Ayers is a hero to the left. Every high profile conservative speaker has been a victim of assault on college campus at one time or another in their careers. The scum that comrade Carter pardoned his first year in office after they renounced their US citizenship and fled to Canada are now college administrators and old bald headed pony tailed professors. High profile Vietnam anti-war activists and hypocrites like John Kerry are comfortable administering a stagnated war in Afghanistan where more Troops were killed during Obama's administration than the previous administration. It's OK as ling as a democrat is in office.

I do not know anyone on the left who considers Bill Ayers a hero.

That is not hero worship. You are grasping at straws.

 

[NoNukes]

You ARE the subject.......of ridicule.

You really do not mind looking like an idiot, as long as you are receiving attention.

When one is fantastic.....

...never mind, you couldn't possibly understand.

I do understand, you are a legend in your own mind b

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I am going to ask you a direct question. I expect a direct answer, not your usual litany of obfuscation.

How do you answer David Stockman's claim?

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

Democrats controlled Congress and LIED to Reagan that they would institute spending cuts

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

Bullshit Frank. You keep trying to pass off this lie even after I proved you wrong.

Reagan got what HE wanted...

Conservatives are embarrassed by the way Reagan and the Bushes ran the debt up and out of control. So they have invented a cover story: The Democratic Congress did it. I have run into this lie dozens of times. So, I dug deep to set the record straight.

As the figure shows, Reagan and Bush senior got almost exactly the budgets they requested in each of their 12 budget years.

Reagan:

• The first budget — passed by all Republicans and a few conservative Southern Democrats.

* This increased the debt by $144 Billion.​

• The next 5 budgets — passed by the Republican Senate and signed by Reagan.

• The last 2 budgets — passed by a Democratic Congress

* Totaled slightly less than Reagan requested.​

G. H. W. Bush:

• Democratic Congresses under Bush passed smaller budgets than he requested in 3 out of 4 years.

• These four Democratic budgets totaled $14.6 Billion less than Bush requested.

G. W. Bush:

• The first two budgets — Senate was split 50/50 and the House was Democratic.

* Bipartisan and totaled $20 Billion less than Bush requested.​

* The biggest cause of deficits was Bush's enormous tax cut, mainly for the rich.​

• The next 4 budgets — the Congress was solid Republican.

• The last 2 budgets — Bush vetoed modest Democratic attempts at spending.

In summary: Democrats controlled Congress during 8 out the 20 years. During 4 of those years, Democrats decreased the budgets proposed by the Republican presidents. Their total effect during those 8 years was to reduce Republican budgets by $17 Billion (which is only 0.2%).

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“The budget plan I submit to you on Feb. 8 will realize major savings by dismantling the Department of Education.” -- Ronald Reagan, Jan 1982

 

[Votto]

You make this far too easy.
Like shootin' fish in a barrel....and you're the fish.


1. "You seek ammunition to demean liberals and liberalism like a vulture."
Be serious.... liberals and liberalism demean themselves by their very nature!
Eugenics, gulags......the collective over the individuaL....


2. "I've been around long enough to have lived during the liberal era..."
When you were a kid, were the rainbows in black and white?


3. "....the conservative era that followed."
You mean the end of the Evil Empire, and freeing of Eastern Europe???
You're welcome.


4. "America is suffering from today is not because of liberals."
Two words: Barack Obama.


5. "The Reagan revolution was a catastrophic failure."
"The second effect of the Reagan years was to launch America into what is now widely regarded as a remarkable 15-year low-inflation, high-employment bull market (the Dow was at 800 in 1982, 8,000 today)—interrupted only mildly in the middle Bush years. These 15 years of prosperity were propelled by Reaganomics: lower tax rates, a long-run decline in inflation and interest rates (which also lowers tax rates), freer international trade and a strong dollar. Even with the anti-supply-side Bush and Clinton tax hikes, the top tax rate today of 40% is far below the towering 70% tax rate that disabled the economy in the 1970s. The end of the Cold War has created an international environment of peace and stability, nudging the economy into still higher gear in recent years."
Who Balanced the Budget? | Cato Institute

I am going to ask you a direct question. I expect a direct answer, not your usual litany of obfuscation.

How do you answer David Stockman's claim?

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

Democrats controlled Congress and LIED to Reagan that they would institute spending cuts

If Reagan trusted them, then he was a fool.

It's time to take some accountability here.

 

[Votto]

Democrats controlled Congress and LIED to Reagan that they would institute spending cuts

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

Bullshit Frank. You keep trying to pass off this lie even after I proved you wrong.

Reagan got what HE wanted...

Conservatives are embarrassed by the way Reagan and the Bushes ran the debt up and out of control. So they have invented a cover story: The Democratic Congress did it. I have run into this lie dozens of times. So, I dug deep to set the record straight.

As the figure shows, Reagan and Bush senior got almost exactly the budgets they requested in each of their 12 budget years.

Reagan:

• The first budget — passed by all Republicans and a few conservative Southern Democrats.

* This increased the debt by $144 Billion.​

• The next 5 budgets — passed by the Republican Senate and signed by Reagan.

• The last 2 budgets — passed by a Democratic Congress

* Totaled slightly less than Reagan requested.​

G. H. W. Bush:

• Democratic Congresses under Bush passed smaller budgets than he requested in 3 out of 4 years.

• These four Democratic budgets totaled $14.6 Billion less than Bush requested.

G. W. Bush:

• The first two budgets — Senate was split 50/50 and the House was Democratic.

* Bipartisan and totaled $20 Billion less than Bush requested.​

* The biggest cause of deficits was Bush's enormous tax cut, mainly for the rich.​

• The next 4 budgets — the Congress was solid Republican.

• The last 2 budgets — Bush vetoed modest Democratic attempts at spending.

In summary: Democrats controlled Congress during 8 out the 20 years. During 4 of those years, Democrats decreased the budgets proposed by the Republican presidents. Their total effect during those 8 years was to reduce Republican budgets by $17 Billion (which is only 0.2%).

more

“The budget plan I submit to you on Feb. 8 will realize major savings by dismantling the Department of Education.” -- Ronald Reagan, Jan 1982

Reagan talked a good game, didn't he? Do bad he could not deliver on reducing the size and scope of government even a little bit. Too bad he only increased the size and scope of government. He is the conservative icon we are to look up to? Pfft.