CDZ How Trump Will Deliver on Job Promises

[JimBowie1958]

When we talk about 'bringing back jobs' we are talking about the aggregate numbers. If jobs are ended in China and then the same company creates a new job here in the USA that is 'bringing back jobs', and if the aggregate of the entire trade economy has 50k jobs in US owned corporations ended over seas and 90k created in the USA by different US companies, that is still a net aggregate 'bringing back jobs'.

No one imagines a specific drill press job being closed in Beijing and then brought back with the same machine to Akron Ohio as being the only case of 'bringing back jobs' that counts here, unless they are an idiot.

The aggregate job growth will come from two goals; reduce job loss and enhance job creation. The means of accomplishing this task can come about through:

A. Reduce job loss by
.....1) incentives to slow pace of automation - a Robot Tax to replace lost job income tax revenues combined with a tax break specifically tied to Americans employed.
.....2) incentives to reduce off shoring and reverse it. - penalize those who dump Americans to boost profits and reward those who share the responsibility and burdens here in the USA.

B. Enhance job creation by
......1) Reducing government imposed burdens on job creation
..........a) end Obamacare
..........b) end excessive regulatory constraints like the ridiculous anti carbon regs and anti-energy regulations, especially coal.
......2) Easing job creation threshold by reducing risks and costs
..........a) keeping Prime Interest Rate low
..........b) reducing taxes to increase disposable income and grow Consumer Markets
..........c) invest more spending to improve US infrastructure; internet access, roads, ports, etc

These bullet items are implied in his own words:
Trump Lays Out Seven Steps to 'Bring Back' and 'Create' Jobs for FL Crowd - Breitbart
1) Withdraw the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership talks which have yet to be ratified. - this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring via the TPP.

2) Appoint the toughest and smartest trade negotiators to fight on behalf of American workers so that we make great trade deals - this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring.

3) Direct the secretary of commerce to identify every violation of trade agreements that a foreign country is currently using to harm American workers, of which there are many then invoke penalties of these trade agreements in order to level the playing field. this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring

4) Tell our NAFTA partners that I intend to immediately renegotiate the terms of that horrible agreement signed by Bill Clinton to get a better deal for our workers. - this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring and brings back many jobs lost to our trade 'partners'.

5) Focus China as a currency manipulator and as a country that engages in the practice of unfairly subsidizing certain companies.... Any country that devalues their currency in order to take unfair advantage of the United States and all of its companies who can’t compete will face tariffs and taxes to stop the cheating. And when they see that, they will stop the cheating. this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring and will bring back many jobs

6) Going to instruct the United States trade representative to bring trade cases against China, both in this country and at the WTO, World Trade Organization,” he continued. “China’s unfair subsidy and its behavior is prohibited by the terms of its entrance into the WTO, and I intend to enforce our rules.

7) Ending government corruption - this will reduce business costs and boost job creation.

 

[BULLDOG]

That's not the way Trump described it. He promised the people whose jobs were sent over seas that their jobs would be back, and they could resume their lives. Of course, nobody but his supporters believed all that.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Everyone uses Trump as their blank canvas. OP thinks that because he likes those things that Trump will do them.

Except Trump doesnt have any plan for any of that. So we're supposed to have a clean debate on what the OP just made up

 

[LoneLaugher]

Why does the OP insist that Obamacare resulted in lost jobs?

 

[jwoodie]

Everyone uses Trump as their blank canvas. OP thinks that because he likes those things that Trump will do them.

Except Trump doesnt have any plan for any of that. So we're supposed to have a clean debate on what the OP just made up

You are incapable of clean debate on any subject.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Everyone uses Trump as their blank canvas. OP thinks that because he likes those things that Trump will do them.

Except Trump doesnt have any plan for any of that. So we're supposed to have a clean debate on what the OP just made up

You are incapable of clean debate on any subject.

Wow and you're soo above the fray. Just look at all those points you made!

 

[JimBowie1958]

Everyone uses Trump as their blank canvas. OP thinks that because he likes those things that Trump will do them.

Except Trump doesnt have any plan for any of that. So we're supposed to have a clean debate on what the OP just made up

Linked to Breitbart article on Trumps plan, and, what, you cannot read it?

It is not a blank canvas, Einstein.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Everyone uses Trump as their blank canvas. OP thinks that because he likes those things that Trump will do them.

Except Trump doesnt have any plan for any of that. So we're supposed to have a clean debate on what the OP just made up

You are incapable of clean debate on any subject.

That would seem to be his track record.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Why does the OP insist that Obamacare resulted in lost jobs?

Because it has, as all significant but ill defined and ambiguous costs related to hiring new employees ALWAYS does.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

By forcing companies back to the US they will increase prices and then inflation. The poorest will suffer.

The answer to jobs going to third world countries is innovation and new products.

 

[Onyx]

Like ClosedCaption said, Donald Trump is just your blank canvas. He does not have any plans or convictions. I hope this isn't news to you, but he is sort of a demagogue.

 

[Onyx]

A. Reduce job loss by
.....1) incentives to slow pace of automation - a Robot Tax to replace lost job income tax revenues combined with a tax break specifically tied to Americans employed.
.....2) incentives to reduce off shoring and reverse it. - penalize those who dump Americans to boost profits and reward those who share the responsibility and burdens here in the USA.

1) That will just make the American economy less competitive and cause long term damage.
2) Penalties will hurt the industry. Incentives ruin the sufficiency of the market by playing favorites.

B. Enhance job creation by
......1) Reducing government imposed burdens on job creation
..........a) end Obamacare
..........b) end excessive regulatory constraints like the ridiculous anti carbon regs and anti-energy regulations, especially coal.
......2) Easing job creation threshold by reducing risks and costs
..........a) keeping Prime Interest Rate low
..........b) reducing taxes to increase disposable income and grow Consumer Markets
..........c) invest more spending to improve US infrastructure; internet access, roads, ports, etc

1) I agree with those two

2) State investments in infarstructure are always crony in nature. Protecting special interests hurts the sufficiency of the economy.

1) Withdraw the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership talks which have yet to be ratified. - this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring via the TPP.

4) Tell our NAFTA partners that I intend to immediately renegotiate the terms of that horrible agreement signed by Bill Clinton to get a better deal for our workers. - this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring and brings back many jobs lost to our trade 'partners'.

Less trade means a smaller market. A small market means less jobs. Offshoring often allows more jobs to be created. Forcing a company to raise expenses in order to protect American jobs hurts the economy in the long term. Many companies survive solely on offshoring.

5) Focus China as a currency manipulator and as a country that engages in the practice of unfairly subsidizing certain companies.... Any country that devalues their currency in order to take unfair advantage of the United States and all of its companies who can’t compete will face tariffs and taxes to stop the cheating. And when they see that, they will stop the cheating. this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring and will bring back many jobs

Oh cool, state socialism! Not......

I like how the tables have turned, and now the right are the ones whining about being exploited by capitalism.

 

[jwoodie]

A. Reduce job loss by
.....1) incentives to slow pace of automation - a Robot Tax to replace lost job income tax revenues combined with a tax break specifically tied to Americans employed.
.....2) incentives to reduce off shoring and reverse it. - penalize those who dump Americans to boost profits and reward those who share the responsibility and burdens here in the USA.

1) That will just make the American economy less competitive and cause long term damage.
2) Penalties will hurt the industry. Incentives ruin the sufficiency of the market by playing favorites.

B. Enhance job creation by
......1) Reducing government imposed burdens on job creation
..........a) end Obamacare
..........b) end excessive regulatory constraints like the ridiculous anti carbon regs and anti-energy regulations, especially coal.
......2) Easing job creation threshold by reducing risks and costs
..........a) keeping Prime Interest Rate low
..........b) reducing taxes to increase disposable income and grow Consumer Markets
..........c) invest more spending to improve US infrastructure; internet access, roads, ports, etc

1) I agree with those two

2) State investments in infarstructure are always crony in nature. Protecting special interests hurts the sufficiency of the economy.

1) Withdraw the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership talks which have yet to be ratified. - this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring via the TPP.

4) Tell our NAFTA partners that I intend to immediately renegotiate the terms of that horrible agreement signed by Bill Clinton to get a better deal for our workers. - this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring and brings back many jobs lost to our trade 'partners'.

Less trade means a smaller market. A small market means less jobs. Offshoring often allows more jobs to be created. Forcing a company to raise expenses in order to protect American jobs hurts the economy in the long term. Many companies survive solely on offshoring.

5) Focus China as a currency manipulator and as a country that engages in the practice of unfairly subsidizing certain companies.... Any country that devalues their currency in order to take unfair advantage of the United States and all of its companies who can’t compete will face tariffs and taxes to stop the cheating. And when they see that, they will stop the cheating. this reduces the potential loss of jobs due to off shoring and will bring back many jobs

Oh cool, state socialism! Not......

I like how the tables have turned, and now the right are the ones whining about being exploited by capitalism.

Lots of words, but few facts and little logic. Please explain how McDonald's is helping the economy by replacing entry level workers with automation.