How To "Free Palestine"

[Sixties Fan]

The Christians of Israel: A Remarkable Group | The Huffington Post

 

[montelatici]

The Christians of Israel: A Remarkable Group | The Huffington Post

Jonathan Adelman You people are incorrigible. The guy is a Hasbara featured speaker. The piece you linked to is a Hasbara propaganda piece. Thank goodness SourceWatch keeps tabs on these goons. You are ridiculous.

"Jonathan Adelman
From the Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau biography:

Professor Jonathan Adelman, a full professor at the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver, is a frequent and popular speaker on Israel. The Doctoral Dissertation Adviser of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, he is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington. The author and editor of ten books, Professor Adelman just returned from Israel, where he gave talks at the Israeli Foreign Ministry and for Hasbara Fellowships in the Old City of Jerusalem. After 14 international speaking tours for the State Department to 13 countries, Professor Adelman speaks on a variety of topics, including the the Palestinian Authority: its terrorism, corruption and incompetence; anti-Israel professors; and antisemitism in Global Perspective. Professor Adelman lives in Denver, and will be available to speak from August 2006 until June 2007.

Affiliations

• Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau – featured speaker

Jonathan Adelman - SourceWatch

 

[Sixties Fan]

Does not look like Muslims care about International Treaties or International Laws.

What happened between 1948 and 1967 under Jordanian Occupation:

Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation - Wikipedia

While Christian holy sites were protected, and Muslim holy sites were maintained and renovated,[3] Jewish holy sites were damaged and sometimes destroyed.[4] According to Raphael Israeli, 58 synagogues were desecrated or demolished in the Old City, resulting in the de-Judaization of Jerusalem.[5][6][7] The Western Wall was transformed into an exclusively Muslim holy site associated with al-Buraq.[8] 38,000 Jewish graves in the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives were systematically destroyed, and Jews were not allowed to be buried there.
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Muslims consider the Jewish Patriarchs their ancestor.
Why would they attack Rachel and Joseph's Tomb and the Cave of the Patriarchs,
again and again?

Palestinians Set Fire to Joseph's Tomb Amid Calls for 'Day of Rage'

Hevron: Muslim Worshippers Desecrate Jewish Holy Site

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Christians of Israel: A Remarkable Group | The Huffington Post

Jonathan Adelman You people are incorrigible. The guy is a Hasbara featured speaker. The piece you linked to is a Hasbara propaganda piece. Thank goodness SourceWatch keeps tabs on these goons. You are ridiculous.

"Jonathan Adelman
From the Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau biography:

Professor Jonathan Adelman, a full professor at the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver, is a frequent and popular speaker on Israel. The Doctoral Dissertation Adviser of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, he is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington. The author and editor of ten books, Professor Adelman just returned from Israel, where he gave talks at the Israeli Foreign Ministry and for Hasbara Fellowships in the Old City of Jerusalem. After 14 international speaking tours for the State Department to 13 countries, Professor Adelman speaks on a variety of topics, including the the Palestinian Authority: its terrorism, corruption and incompetence; anti-Israel professors; and antisemitism in Global Perspective. Professor Adelman lives in Denver, and will be available to speak from August 2006 until June 2007.

Affiliations

• Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau – featured speaker

Jonathan Adelman - SourceWatch

Hasbara Propaganda. Because you have been to Israel and seen it with your own eyes.

Sure !

 

[montelatici]

The Christians of Israel: A Remarkable Group | The Huffington Post

Jonathan Adelman You people are incorrigible. The guy is a Hasbara featured speaker. The piece you linked to is a Hasbara propaganda piece. Thank goodness SourceWatch keeps tabs on these goons. You are ridiculous.

"Jonathan Adelman
From the Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau biography:

Professor Jonathan Adelman, a full professor at the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver, is a frequent and popular speaker on Israel. The Doctoral Dissertation Adviser of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, he is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington. The author and editor of ten books, Professor Adelman just returned from Israel, where he gave talks at the Israeli Foreign Ministry and for Hasbara Fellowships in the Old City of Jerusalem. After 14 international speaking tours for the State Department to 13 countries, Professor Adelman speaks on a variety of topics, including the the Palestinian Authority: its terrorism, corruption and incompetence; anti-Israel professors; and antisemitism in Global Perspective. Professor Adelman lives in Denver, and will be available to speak from August 2006 until June 2007.

Affiliations

• Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau – featured speaker

Jonathan Adelman - SourceWatch

Hasbara Propaganda. Because you have been to Israel and seen it with your own eyes.

Sure !

I have been to Israel, several times. And yes, I have seen it with my own eyes. I deal with Jews exclusively, and often have to bite my tongue in the conversations I have with them.

Posting Hasbara propaganda as the source for your facts is just silly. You don't see me linking to Electronic Intifada, do you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Christians of Israel: A Remarkable Group | The Huffington Post

Jonathan Adelman You people are incorrigible. The guy is a Hasbara featured speaker. The piece you linked to is a Hasbara propaganda piece. Thank goodness SourceWatch keeps tabs on these goons. You are ridiculous.

"Jonathan Adelman
From the Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau biography:

Professor Jonathan Adelman, a full professor at the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver, is a frequent and popular speaker on Israel. The Doctoral Dissertation Adviser of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, he is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington. The author and editor of ten books, Professor Adelman just returned from Israel, where he gave talks at the Israeli Foreign Ministry and for Hasbara Fellowships in the Old City of Jerusalem. After 14 international speaking tours for the State Department to 13 countries, Professor Adelman speaks on a variety of topics, including the the Palestinian Authority: its terrorism, corruption and incompetence; anti-Israel professors; and antisemitism in Global Perspective. Professor Adelman lives in Denver, and will be available to speak from August 2006 until June 2007.

Affiliations

• Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau – featured speaker

Jonathan Adelman - SourceWatch

Hasbara Propaganda. Because you have been to Israel and seen it with your own eyes.

Sure !

I have been to Israel, several times. And yes, I have seen it with my own eyes. I deal with Jews exclusively, and often have to bite my tongue in the conversations I have with them.

Posting Hasbara propaganda as the source for your facts is just silly. You don't see me linking to Electronic Intifada, do you.

The Electronic Intifada

It is not a hate site.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Does not look like Muslims care about International Treaties or International Laws.

What happened between 1948 and 1967 under Jordanian Occupation:

Islamization of East Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation - Wikipedia

While Christian holy sites were protected, and Muslim holy sites were maintained and renovated,[3] Jewish holy sites were damaged and sometimes destroyed.[4] According to Raphael Israeli, 58 synagogues were desecrated or demolished in the Old City, resulting in the de-Judaization of Jerusalem.[5][6][7] The Western Wall was transformed into an exclusively Muslim holy site associated with al-Buraq.[8] 38,000 Jewish graves in the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives were systematically destroyed, and Jews were not allowed to be buried there.
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Muslims consider the Jewish Patriarchs their ancestor.
Why would they attack Rachel and Joseph's Tomb and the Cave of the Patriarchs,
again and again?

Palestinians Set Fire to Joseph's Tomb Amid Calls for 'Day of Rage'

Hevron: Muslim Worshippers Desecrate Jewish Holy Site

Muslims believe Joseph is buried in the Cave of Machpelah. They also don't believe Rachel's Tomb is genuine. (I think they believe an Arab sheikh is actually buried there.) Muslims are resentful of Rachel's and Joseph's Tombs because they are a constant reminder that this place is actually the Jewish Promised Land. However, the Arabs cannot erase history.

I've been to the Cave of Machpelah (where the Patriarchs and Matriarchs are buried). There are Muslims worshiping there, so their desecration of the site is surprising, especially since they also believe that Abraham and his family (including Joseph) are buried there. They probably limit their vandalism to destroying "mezuzot" (Jewish ornaments) and "siddurim" (Jewish prayer-books). Also, the garbage that they throw in the Jewish section is probably not in the same place as the Tombs. Their fanatical hatred of the Jews is very great, and having respect for other religions is foreign to them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What happened between 1948 and 1967 under Jordanian Occupation:

What does it matter? This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

 

[Sixties Fan]

What happened between 1948 and 1967 under Jordanian Occupation:

What does it matter? This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

Running.......Tinmore? Always running from what things mean?

Why is that?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What happened between 1948 and 1967 under Jordanian Occupation:

What does it matter? This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

Running.......Tinmore? Always running from what things mean?

Why is that?

The Zionists and Britain promised to give the West Bank to Jordan. Then they ***** about what Jordan did. And it is irrelevant because the Palestinians were out of that loop.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Christians of Israel: A Remarkable Group | The Huffington Post

Jonathan Adelman You people are incorrigible. The guy is a Hasbara featured speaker. The piece you linked to is a Hasbara propaganda piece. Thank goodness SourceWatch keeps tabs on these goons. You are ridiculous.

"Jonathan Adelman
From the Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau biography:

Professor Jonathan Adelman, a full professor at the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver, is a frequent and popular speaker on Israel. The Doctoral Dissertation Adviser of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, he is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington. The author and editor of ten books, Professor Adelman just returned from Israel, where he gave talks at the Israeli Foreign Ministry and for Hasbara Fellowships in the Old City of Jerusalem. After 14 international speaking tours for the State Department to 13 countries, Professor Adelman speaks on a variety of topics, including the the Palestinian Authority: its terrorism, corruption and incompetence; anti-Israel professors; and antisemitism in Global Perspective. Professor Adelman lives in Denver, and will be available to speak from August 2006 until June 2007.

Affiliations

• Hasbara Fellowship Speakers Bureau – featured speaker

Jonathan Adelman - SourceWatch

Hasbara Propaganda. Because you have been to Israel and seen it with your own eyes.

Sure !

I have been to Israel, several times. And yes, I have seen it with my own eyes. I deal with Jews exclusively, and often have to bite my tongue in the conversations I have with them.

Posting Hasbara propaganda as the source for your facts is just silly. You don't see me linking to Electronic Intifada, do you.

Speaking to N"K" and other anti Israel Jews is not the same as speaking to the majority of Jews in Israel, much less to the Druze, Christians, etc who are also pro Israel.

Now, if you are speaking to the Pro Israel Jews and other citizens of Israel and you are biting your tongue because you just want to curse them for not wanting a one State solution, or anything else the Palestinians themselves do not want.......as the leaders keep refusing any talks and negotiations, much less elections (look at the 11 years four year Presidency of Mahmoud Abbas).........

But of course you are not going to share with us who these Jews were and what kind of conversations you were having with them, or are we going to be so lucky that you will be sharing with us your extensive experience with Jews in Israel?

 

[Shusha]

Israel has surrounded Nazareth with Jewish settlements and building permits for non Jews are almost impossible to get.

Jewish "settlements"? How DARE Jewish people build homes in Israel, their own nation. The HORROR!

 

[Sixties Fan]

What happened between 1948 and 1967 under Jordanian Occupation:

What does it matter? This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

Running.......Tinmore? Always running from what things mean?

Why is that?

The Zionists and Britain promised to give the West Bank to Jordan. Then they ***** about what Jordan did. And it is irrelevant because the Palestinians were out of that loop.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.......

And the link for that Zionist promise of the center of their ancient land to the Hashemites who already got 77% of the Jewish Homeland in 1925 is.......where?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Free Palestine !

Of the endless ignorance surrounding the Israeli-Arab conflict.

10 Reasons Israel Is Not An 'Apartheid' State

Of course Israel is an apartheid state. The Hasbara produced propaganda conveniently forgets the at least 50 discriminatory laws against non-Jews, including religion/ethnic based classification of people within Israel, not to mention the "Law of Return" which only benefits those practicing Judaism.

More importantly it ignores the Israeli "Bantustans" (the occupied territories) which are controlled by Israel and wherein Jews are separated and have civil rights, while the non-Jews are separated from Jews by walls or militarized separation zones. Israel is an analog of Apartheid South Africa.

As a religious-colonial-settler state, Israel is a country that was built to the needs and whims of Europeans that practiced Judaism, in much the same way European Christian nationalism was used to shape apartheid South Africa.

Not to mention bantustans inside Israel like Rahat and Nazareth.

But you have never been to Israel.
Hearsay is not the same as Eyewitness.
No one forced the Muslims and Christians into Nazareth.
They have been there for centuries due to Christian and Muslim beliefs.
And Nazareth is still a city with high tourism.
No one is kept prisoner or not allowed to go in or out.

Nazareth - Wikipedia
In March 2010, the Israeli government approved a $3 million plan to develop Nazareth's tourism industry. New businesses receive start-up grants of up to 30 percent of their initial investment from the Ministry of Tourism.[90]



Rahat (Hebrew: רַהַט‎, Arabic: رهط‎‎) is a predominantly Bedouin city in the Southern District of Israel. In 2015 it had a population of 62,415. As such, it is the largest Bedouin settlement in the world, and the only one in Israel to have city status.
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You clearly do not know how non Jewish communities work in Israel.
Druze, Bedouins and other Arab communities have remained in the cities they populated. They are not forced into being together. They are together because they are a community.

No one forced the Japanese into Little Tokyo.
Or the Chinese into Chinatown.
Or the Italians into Little Italy.

They moved where their communities were without being forced into it.

More Israeli bullshit.



Israel has surrounded Nazareth with Jewish settlements and building permits for non Jews are almost impossible to get.

Nazareth is a city in Israel proper, not "the Territories".

 

[Sixties Fan]

What happened between 1948 and 1967 under Jordanian Occupation:

What does it matter? This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

Running.......Tinmore? Always running from what things mean?

Why is that?

The Zionists and Britain promised to give the West Bank to Jordan. Then they ***** about what Jordan did. And it is irrelevant because the Palestinians were out of that loop.

One more thing:

The "West Bank" was not known as the "West Bank" until 1950, two years after the Hashemites and the British took the land from Israel to begin with.

So, the British who had already left and were done with their Mandate for Palestine in 1948, could not have promised Jordan, the Hashemites anything, especially since the British had already illegally given TranJordan to the Hashemites in 1925.

The poor Hashemites. Kicked out of their ancient homeland in Arabia, descendants of Mohammad, and nobody cared to fight or much less give them their homeland back.
So they had to content with some Jewish Homeland the British decided to give to them.

Sniff

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has surrounded Nazareth with Jewish settlements and building permits for non Jews are almost impossible to get.

Jewish "settlements"? How DARE Jewish people build homes in Israel, their own nation. The HORROR!

You missed the point.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Free Palestine !

Of the endless ignorance surrounding the Israeli-Arab conflict.

10 Reasons Israel Is Not An 'Apartheid' State

Of course Israel is an apartheid state. The Hasbara produced propaganda conveniently forgets the at least 50 discriminatory laws against non-Jews, including religion/ethnic based classification of people within Israel, not to mention the "Law of Return" which only benefits those practicing Judaism.

More importantly it ignores the Israeli "Bantustans" (the occupied territories) which are controlled by Israel and wherein Jews are separated and have civil rights, while the non-Jews are separated from Jews by walls or militarized separation zones. Israel is an analog of Apartheid South Africa.

As a religious-colonial-settler state, Israel is a country that was built to the needs and whims of Europeans that practiced Judaism, in much the same way European Christian nationalism was used to shape apartheid South Africa.

Not to mention bantustans inside Israel like Rahat and Nazareth.

But you have never been to Israel.
Hearsay is not the same as Eyewitness.
No one forced the Muslims and Christians into Nazareth.
They have been there for centuries due to Christian and Muslim beliefs.
And Nazareth is still a city with high tourism.
No one is kept prisoner or not allowed to go in or out.

Nazareth - Wikipedia
In March 2010, the Israeli government approved a $3 million plan to develop Nazareth's tourism industry. New businesses receive start-up grants of up to 30 percent of their initial investment from the Ministry of Tourism.[90]



Rahat (Hebrew: רַהַט‎, Arabic: رهط‎‎) is a predominantly Bedouin city in the Southern District of Israel. In 2015 it had a population of 62,415. As such, it is the largest Bedouin settlement in the world, and the only one in Israel to have city status.
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You clearly do not know how non Jewish communities work in Israel.
Druze, Bedouins and other Arab communities have remained in the cities they populated. They are not forced into being together. They are together because they are a community.

No one forced the Japanese into Little Tokyo.
Or the Chinese into Chinatown.
Or the Italians into Little Italy.

They moved where their communities were without being forced into it.

More Israeli bullshit.



Israel has surrounded Nazareth with Jewish settlements and building permits for non Jews are almost impossible to get.

Nazareth is a city in Israel proper, not "the Territories".

So?

 

[Shusha]

Israel has surrounded Nazareth with Jewish settlements and building permits for non Jews are almost impossible to get.

Jewish "settlements"? How DARE Jewish people build homes in Israel, their own nation. The HORROR!

You missed the point.

No, I actually rather think you made your point clear.

I have found no evidence that Israel restricts building permits to her citizens based on religion or ethnicity. If you have such evidence, please provide it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Of course Israel is an apartheid state. The Hasbara produced propaganda conveniently forgets the at least 50 discriminatory laws against non-Jews, including religion/ethnic based classification of people within Israel, not to mention the "Law of Return" which only benefits those practicing Judaism.

More importantly it ignores the Israeli "Bantustans" (the occupied territories) which are controlled by Israel and wherein Jews are separated and have civil rights, while the non-Jews are separated from Jews by walls or militarized separation zones. Israel is an analog of Apartheid South Africa.

As a religious-colonial-settler state, Israel is a country that was built to the needs and whims of Europeans that practiced Judaism, in much the same way European Christian nationalism was used to shape apartheid South Africa.

Not to mention bantustans inside Israel like Rahat and Nazareth.

But you have never been to Israel.
Hearsay is not the same as Eyewitness.
No one forced the Muslims and Christians into Nazareth.
They have been there for centuries due to Christian and Muslim beliefs.
And Nazareth is still a city with high tourism.
No one is kept prisoner or not allowed to go in or out.

Nazareth - Wikipedia
In March 2010, the Israeli government approved a $3 million plan to develop Nazareth's tourism industry. New businesses receive start-up grants of up to 30 percent of their initial investment from the Ministry of Tourism.[90]



Rahat (Hebrew: רַהַט‎, Arabic: رهط‎‎) is a predominantly Bedouin city in the Southern District of Israel. In 2015 it had a population of 62,415. As such, it is the largest Bedouin settlement in the world, and the only one in Israel to have city status.
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You clearly do not know how non Jewish communities work in Israel.
Druze, Bedouins and other Arab communities have remained in the cities they populated. They are not forced into being together. They are together because they are a community.

No one forced the Japanese into Little Tokyo.
Or the Chinese into Chinatown.
Or the Italians into Little Italy.

They moved where their communities were without being forced into it.

More Israeli bullshit.



Israel has surrounded Nazareth with Jewish settlements and building permits for non Jews are almost impossible to get.

Nazareth is a city in Israel proper, not "the Territories".

So?

So.......ALL OF ISRAEL is occupied territory to you.

So......Jews have no right to any of their ancient homeland.

So......no matter how most non Jews feel positively about living in Israel, you are always going to torpedo anything they say......

Because you know better.

Because Jews must give the land "back" to the Arabs/Muslims

Because Jews must return to being second class citizens under Muslim rule as they were for 1300 years before the State of Israel was recreated.

So......we should stop saying that Jews have rights, unless Muslims and Christians decide to EVER give them the right to even breath.


So.......