How to deprogram America's extremists

[DrLove]

The problem with radicals is they don't realize that's what they are.

Just look at the denial in this thread. These sickos are never going to voluntarily get help.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink? Very true, but we might be able to get through to a small percentage of them with a website, heavy Facebook presence, and 24 hour help line.

 

[DrLove]

Are you going to put up signs: Communists and Socialists Only

No, once we rehabilitate extremists (including left wing extremist ideologies such as AntiFa and Anarchists) - we'll have two basic groups remaining: Progressives and Responsible Conservatives. They won't agree on everything within these groups, but that is how you work things out and define parties. There is no place in this country for Q-Kooks, Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, anti-Semites or radical militias who disseminate dangerous falsehoods about say - elections. Help is on the way!

This guy is a "progressive" who you support, so I hope you sign yourself up for that deprogramming:

Of course you don't point out that an investigation showed there was no evidence that the picture was of Governor Northam. Try to stay away from lies and Q conspiracies. Dr. Northam has been a great Governor.

You mean other than he didn't say it wasn't him? You commies are pathetic.

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There was in investigation by the state police. They did not find any proof that either of the images was Dr. Northam.

MAN! You really are as stupid as everyone says....from the link that I posted.





Kewl, why didn't he deny it or get it corrected when is was published?

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He did deny it.....you can read...right?

Did I miss your nonexistent link?

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CAN YOU READ! IT WAS IN THE FIRST LINK, STUPID!

And where would I find it? Not in this string.

Oh, thanks for proving you actually are as stupid as the OP.

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You really are as stupid and everyone says.

Stupider actually

 

[DrLove]

Still waiting on an example of "lefties" being anti-science. Guess I'll keep waiting.

Then you either haven't been paying attention or are one of the leftist fools of pseudoscience.

Still no example? Sad

 

[DrLove]

how do we unbrainwash the idiots who think politicians have their best interests at heart?

Fair point, but we do have choices. Right now, the Republican Party is morally and intellectually dead. Trump killed it as we warned them he would. Btw, I support term limits. The longer a pol stays in place, the more temptation they have toward grift and corruption.

 

[DrLove]

So how do we flush "the crazy" out of millions of Trump Humpers?

Here's one idea. Vote out the Rump Riot enabling seditionists in Congress.

“Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert? I think in such a case to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal, a great mercy.” —Abraham Lincoln

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The problem with radicals is they don't realize that's what they are.

There is nothing wrong with having “radical” views. I would argue that the problems in our country (and of course others too) are so profound radical solutions are needed.

But a radical critique of society, or a radical movement for change, requires thoughtful and sober understanding of what is worth protecting and what must be changed, and how to achieve lasting victories.

Just look at the pro-Trump lunatics who invaded Congress. Just look at them. That is not the sort of radical movement anybody in their right mind could praise or have confidence in to replace “the Establishment.” Their leader Trump was equally not a leader who could win victories for the common man. He was only a demagogue. A rich pompous narcissistic demagogue with a track record of leaving a trail of chaos and failure in his wake.

As for “deprogramming” .... The corporate Establishment, the liberal elites in media, the warmongering DNC and their talking heads are not able to do this job. Whatever “de-programming” — on all sides — occurs will above all require time and mature thinking. Our elites can’t turn the whole white working class into a new happy stock-owning middle or professional class any more than they can solve crime in our ghettos, or change everybody’s gender.

The Democrats, like the Repubs, contain many spectacularly corrupt and hypocritical elements, and of course support the MIC and most U.S. military adventures abroad. The Democratic politicians are far more rational at the moment, it is true, but then they never followed a maniac like Trump.

The corporate elites generally don’t care what nonsense the plebes think, so long as they are distracted. They just want to be left alone as much as possible to get on with the business of making money.

 

[DrLove]

So how do we flush "the crazy" out of millions of Trump Humpers?

It can only be a slow process. We've seen a few peel away so far, but it has to continue and accelerate.

The obvious difference between this time and Europe 1945 is that these people still have their media screaming in their ear 24/7/365. That's a profound difference and will slow this down to a painful crawl.

The only other thing that can happen is that key voices, those who have been doing the conditioning, get brave and honest and admit what they've been doing. But I don't expect that. There's far too much fame and money in this for them.

That's an incredible point. Right wing media and carnival barking has become a cottage industry worth billions. Just look at Donalds new grift PAC. I believe he's now raised over 300 million.

 

[DrLove]

People and groups like Antifa and Trumpsters gain influence because their own sides make excuses for them, avoid talking about them, spin for them, even attack for them. Obviously that has to end, because all it does is enable more destructive behavior.

So, stop doing so damn much of it, already.

You are juxtaposing violent terrorist groups with anybody who voted for Trump, here. This is intentionally disingenuous, and you know it.

And the Rump Rioting Insurrectionists were a violent terrorist group. Do they represent all Trump voters? No, but I've seen several posters who thought the siege on our Capitol was great fun.

 

[Lesh]

And the Rump Rioting Insurrectionists were a violent terrorist group. Do they represent all Trump voters? No, but I've seen several posters who thought the siege on our Capitol was great fun.

More than several. Most...at least the vocal ones

 

[Ringtone]

Still no example? Sad

Yep, you're one of those lefties alright.

Common afflictions of the leftist mindset
Catastrophic global warming.
Malthusianism
Socialism/Marxism
Humanism
Naturalism/Materialism
Scientism
Keynesianism

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

I just spoke to this same thing in another forum.

This should be the #1 initiative in this country.

We will continue to slide backwards in the world with "alternate facts" and anti science fighting progress at every turn.

Trumpism must be eradicated.

Lefties are “anti science”. And love “ alternate facts” guess you’d better go sign up for deprogramming ASAP.

Still waiting on an example of "lefties" being anti-science. Guess I'll keep waiting.

Still waiting for your operational definition of "extremist"

I'm sure he'll agree it is those burning down American cities and destroying innocent businesses

Hey does driving small business out of business thru lockdowns qualify as extremist? I think so

 

[Lesh]

Hey does driving small business out of business thru lockdowns qualify as extremist? I think so

Really?

Because the way I see it...allowing a pandemic to run wild and destroy our economy is , if not extremist, really is a "problem"

And guess what? The majority of American voters agree with me

 

[Dana7360]

We'd better get to work before we elect another Donald Trump.

It will take an all-out national effort to dismantle the radicalization pipeline that has planted conspiracy theories in the heads of millions of Americans and inspired last month's attack on the Capitol, experts tell Axios.​

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Two key measures that could make a difference:​

• Keeping extremists out of the institutions where they could do the greatest damage — like the military, police departments and legislatures.
  • Providing help for those who have embraced dangerous ideologies.

​

Online platforms, meanwhile, must be unwavering in their commitment to root out conspiracy theories and lies that undermine faith in democracy, according to experts interviewed by Axios.​

• Radicalization and counterterrorism experts broadly applaud tech companies' efforts, now underway, to remove this material and the accounts that spread it off their platforms, despite heavy blowback from conservatives.
  • Twitter's decision to ban Donald Trump is seen on its own as a major asset in the fight to slow or reverse radicalization.

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The U.S. needs a "Marshall Plan against domestic extremism," Daniel Koehler, director of the German Institute on Radicalization and De-radicalization Studies, told Axios.​

• "The spread of extremist conspiracy theories in the United States is the second most dangerous pandemic the country faces right now," he said. "The damage that's been to the U.S. in terms of community and social cohesion will be immense and will be lasting."
  • The radicalization is happening in a multitude of online spaces and right-wing media channels, pulling people into an alternate reality that posits, among a growing swarm of other false ideas, that the 2020 election was stolen.
  • When it comes to coordinated deradicalization efforts, the U.S. is behind most European countries by 25–30 years, Koehler said.

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Experts agree serious resources need to be mustered toward providing an offramp for people who have been drawn into extremist ideologies.​

• New federal programs would likely be doomed to fail, experts say, because distrust and hatred of the government is already a core tenet of far-right extremism.
  • Instead, private and public-private programs are more likely to be effective, particularly if they're able to get endorsement and funding from federal and state governments.
  • Those could include anti-extremism counseling programs and support groups; education programs that work with schools to identify risks and signs of incipient radicalization; and rehabilitation organizations that work with the incarcerated and formerly incarcerated.

​

One idea, courtesy of Christian Picciolini, a former neo-Nazi leader who founded the Free Radicals Project, which works to help people leave violent extremist groups: a "single entry point" akin to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline "that people recognize, that people trust, that people understand."​

• Something like a national hotline or online portal could steer people to local resources to help them or loved ones escape the radicalization pipeline, he said.

How to deprogram America's extremists

What a "Marshall Plan against domestic extremism" might look like.

www.axios.com

While I agree with this in principle, the real issue is:

How do we fix 'Stupid'?

The old saying is correct.

No one can fix stupid.

 

[Mac1958]

So how do we flush "the crazy" out of millions of Trump Humpers?

It can only be a slow process. We've seen a few peel away so far, but it has to continue and accelerate.

The obvious difference between this time and Europe 1945 is that these people still have their media screaming in their ear 24/7/365. That's a profound difference and will slow this down to a painful crawl.

The only other thing that can happen is that key voices, those who have been doing the conditioning, get brave and honest and admit what they've been doing. But I don't expect that. There's far too much fame and money in this for them.

That's an incredible point. Right wing media and carnival barking has become a cottage industry worth billions. Just look at Donalds new grift PAC. I believe he's now raised over 300 million.

Yeah. Nothing is going to happen quickly.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

We'd better get to work before we elect another Donald Trump.

It will take an all-out national effort to dismantle the radicalization pipeline that has planted conspiracy theories in the heads of millions of Americans and inspired last month's attack on the Capitol, experts tell Axios.​

​

Two key measures that could make a difference:​

• Keeping extremists out of the institutions where they could do the greatest damage — like the military, police departments and legislatures.
  • Providing help for those who have embraced dangerous ideologies.

​

Online platforms, meanwhile, must be unwavering in their commitment to root out conspiracy theories and lies that undermine faith in democracy, according to experts interviewed by Axios.​

• Radicalization and counterterrorism experts broadly applaud tech companies' efforts, now underway, to remove this material and the accounts that spread it off their platforms, despite heavy blowback from conservatives.
  • Twitter's decision to ban Donald Trump is seen on its own as a major asset in the fight to slow or reverse radicalization.

​

The U.S. needs a "Marshall Plan against domestic extremism," Daniel Koehler, director of the German Institute on Radicalization and De-radicalization Studies, told Axios.​

• "The spread of extremist conspiracy theories in the United States is the second most dangerous pandemic the country faces right now," he said. "The damage that's been to the U.S. in terms of community and social cohesion will be immense and will be lasting."
  • The radicalization is happening in a multitude of online spaces and right-wing media channels, pulling people into an alternate reality that posits, among a growing swarm of other false ideas, that the 2020 election was stolen.
  • When it comes to coordinated deradicalization efforts, the U.S. is behind most European countries by 25–30 years, Koehler said.

​

Experts agree serious resources need to be mustered toward providing an offramp for people who have been drawn into extremist ideologies.​

• New federal programs would likely be doomed to fail, experts say, because distrust and hatred of the government is already a core tenet of far-right extremism.
  • Instead, private and public-private programs are more likely to be effective, particularly if they're able to get endorsement and funding from federal and state governments.
  • Those could include anti-extremism counseling programs and support groups; education programs that work with schools to identify risks and signs of incipient radicalization; and rehabilitation organizations that work with the incarcerated and formerly incarcerated.

​

One idea, courtesy of Christian Picciolini, a former neo-Nazi leader who founded the Free Radicals Project, which works to help people leave violent extremist groups: a "single entry point" akin to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline "that people recognize, that people trust, that people understand."​

• Something like a national hotline or online portal could steer people to local resources to help them or loved ones escape the radicalization pipeline, he said.

How to deprogram America's extremists

What a "Marshall Plan against domestic extremism" might look like.

www.axios.com

While I agree with this in principle, the real issue is:

How do we fix 'Stupid'?

The old saying is correct.

No one can fix stupid.

You're case in point

 

[OKTexas]

Are you going to put up signs: Communists and Socialists Only

No, once we rehabilitate extremists (including left wing extremist ideologies such as AntiFa and Anarchists) - we'll have two basic groups remaining: Progressives and Responsible Conservatives. They won't agree on everything within these groups, but that is how you work things out and define parties. There is no place in this country for Q-Kooks, Neo-Nazis, Klansmen, anti-Semites or radical militias who disseminate dangerous falsehoods about say - elections. Help is on the way!

This guy is a "progressive" who you support, so I hope you sign yourself up for that deprogramming:

Of course you don't point out that an investigation showed there was no evidence that the picture was of Governor Northam. Try to stay away from lies and Q conspiracies. Dr. Northam has been a great Governor.

You mean other than he didn't say it wasn't him? You commies are pathetic.

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There was in investigation by the state police. They did not find any proof that either of the images was Dr. Northam.

MAN! You really are as stupid as everyone says....from the link that I posted.





Kewl, why didn't he deny it or get it corrected when is was published?

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He did deny it.....you can read...right?

Did I miss your nonexistent link?

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CAN YOU READ! IT WAS IN THE FIRST LINK, STUPID!

And where would I find it? Not in this string.

Oh, thanks for proving you actually are as stupid as the OP.

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You really are as stupid and everyone says.

Stupider actually

At least when I use a term, I can define it. Since you can't, what does that say about you?

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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We'd better get to work before we elect another Donald Trump.

It will take an all-out national effort to dismantle the radicalization pipeline that has planted conspiracy theories in the heads of millions of Americans and inspired last month's attack on the Capitol, experts tell Axios.​

​

Two key measures that could make a difference:​

• Keeping extremists out of the institutions where they could do the greatest damage — like the military, police departments and legislatures.
  • Providing help for those who have embraced dangerous ideologies.

​

Online platforms, meanwhile, must be unwavering in their commitment to root out conspiracy theories and lies that undermine faith in democracy, according to experts interviewed by Axios.​

• Radicalization and counterterrorism experts broadly applaud tech companies' efforts, now underway, to remove this material and the accounts that spread it off their platforms, despite heavy blowback from conservatives.
  • Twitter's decision to ban Donald Trump is seen on its own as a major asset in the fight to slow or reverse radicalization.

​

The U.S. needs a "Marshall Plan against domestic extremism," Daniel Koehler, director of the German Institute on Radicalization and De-radicalization Studies, told Axios.​

• "The spread of extremist conspiracy theories in the United States is the second most dangerous pandemic the country faces right now," he said. "The damage that's been to the U.S. in terms of community and social cohesion will be immense and will be lasting."
  • The radicalization is happening in a multitude of online spaces and right-wing media channels, pulling people into an alternate reality that posits, among a growing swarm of other false ideas, that the 2020 election was stolen.
  • When it comes to coordinated deradicalization efforts, the U.S. is behind most European countries by 25–30 years, Koehler said.

​

Experts agree serious resources need to be mustered toward providing an offramp for people who have been drawn into extremist ideologies.​

• New federal programs would likely be doomed to fail, experts say, because distrust and hatred of the government is already a core tenet of far-right extremism.
  • Instead, private and public-private programs are more likely to be effective, particularly if they're able to get endorsement and funding from federal and state governments.
  • Those could include anti-extremism counseling programs and support groups; education programs that work with schools to identify risks and signs of incipient radicalization; and rehabilitation organizations that work with the incarcerated and formerly incarcerated.

​

One idea, courtesy of Christian Picciolini, a former neo-Nazi leader who founded the Free Radicals Project, which works to help people leave violent extremist groups: a "single entry point" akin to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline "that people recognize, that people trust, that people understand."​

• Something like a national hotline or online portal could steer people to local resources to help them or loved ones escape the radicalization pipeline, he said.

How to deprogram America's extremists

What a "Marshall Plan against domestic extremism" might look like.

www.axios.com

The deprogramming?

Fuck you communist shits.

You won't deprogram anything.

You are welcome to try. Please try. Please make my day. Give me a reason.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The problem with radicals is they don't realize that's what they are.

Just look at the denial in this thread. These sickos are never going to voluntarily get help.

The problem with Chinese Communist government trolls is they so often reveal what they are.

Just look at the trolls on this board? The traitors are never going to support America.

 

[Uncensored2008]

At leas when I use a term, I can define it. Since you can't, what does that say about you?

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You have an advantage. When you use a term, you have selected the term to use. Dr. Derp is reciting Reich hating points. Some of these terms are ones he's never seen before or heard spoken.

 

[OKTexas]

So how do we flush "the crazy" out of millions of Trump Humpers?

Here's one idea. Vote out the Rump Riot enabling seditionists in Congress.

“Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert? I think in such a case to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal, a great mercy.” —Abraham Lincoln

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Most ironic post in the history of the board^^^^^

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