How the Tea Party is Killing the Republican Party

[Oddball]

McCain and Romney had reputations for being able to work with Democrats and Republicans when their convictons were in synch. Both were moderates.

And both of them fucking lost...Yet deluded lolberal nutbars like you run around claiming that they're right wing extremists in the next breath you draw.

TFF!

 

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Teapartiers are one of the best FREE recruiting tools the Left has. Keep it up T-Partiers

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Mitt Romney had to reach out to the Tea Party in order to get the nomination. Romney used to be a moderate. But for eight years he courted the far right (same as McCain).

On abortion, gay rights, immigration and climate change and other issues, Romney at one time aligned himself with moderates, only to swing back to the right when the politics of the moment demanded it. On one key issue, he led not only his party but the nation – bringing universal healthcare to Massachusetts as governor only to downplay his singular achievement when Republicans turned against President Obama’s comparable law.

When Rick Perry criticized Social Security as a “Ponzi scheme.’’ Romney savaged Perry’s rhetoric as too extreme and pitched himself as a steady steward of the trust fund. But when it came time to choose a running mate - he pandered to the far right again (just like McCain) - and selected Paul Ryan who is determined to remake the nation’s safety net for the elderly and the poor.

It's amazing to me how the GOP takes moderates candidates who have a real chance of winning - and then they force them into a makeover that renders them unelectable.

The repubs will be wandering in the desert for more than 40 years if they keep nominating McCain's and Romneys.

Only if they keep forcing them to the far right.

McCain and Romney had reputations for being able to work with Democrats and Republicans when their convictons were in synch. Both were moderates.

But in order to get the nomination, both were required to serve eight years at hard labor turning hard to the right. Culminating in VP selections that cemented their positions out there in far right la - la land.

McCain and Romney could have both won. Had tey been left alone to run as moderates. But the GOP tolerates no maveroicks and no moderates. With "Rino" echoing in their ears, they demand members to sign pledges to vote the party line, they demand that even a good idea be filibustered if it originated from the "wrong" side of the aisle, and they empower wacky Tea Partiers to do their dirty work.

payback's a bitch, huh?

The farther they move away from individualism, responsibility, accountability the more they lose. If they cant argue a simple message of individualism to all americans instead of trading votes for largesse out of the treasury, what you are implying, ....screw them.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Mitt Romney had to reach out to the Tea Party in order to get the nomination. Romney used to be a moderate. But for eight years he courted the far right (same as McCain).

On abortion, gay rights, immigration and climate change and other issues, Romney at one time aligned himself with moderates, only to swing back to the right when the politics of the moment demanded it. On one key issue, he led not only his party but the nation – bringing universal healthcare to Massachusetts as governor only to downplay his singular achievement when Republicans turned against President Obama’s comparable law.

When Rick Perry criticized Social Security as a “Ponzi scheme.’’ Romney savaged Perry’s rhetoric as too extreme and pitched himself as a steady steward of the trust fund. But when it came time to choose a running mate - he pandered to the far right again (just like McCain) - and selected Paul Ryan who is determined to remake the nation’s safety net for the elderly and the poor.

It's amazing to me how the GOP takes moderates candidates who have a real chance of winning - and then they force them into a makeover that renders them unelectable.

The repubs will be wandering in the desert for more than 40 years if they keep nominating McCain's and Romneys.

Only if they keep forcing them to the far right.

McCain and Romney had reputations for being able to work with Democrats and Republicans when their convictons were in synch. Both were moderates.

But in order to get the nomination, both were required to serve eight years at hard labor turning hard to the right. Culminating in VP selections that cemented their positions out there in far right la - la land.

McCain and Romney could have both won. Had tey been left alone to run as moderates. But the GOP tolerates no maveroicks and no moderates. With "Rino" echoing in their ears, they demand members to sign pledges to vote the party line, they demand that even a good idea be filibustered if it originated from the "wrong" side of the aisle, and they empower wacky Tea Partiers to do their dirty work.

payback's a bitch, huh?

One day they're horn brandishing, baby eating conservatives, then they're moderates.... you need counseling.

The GOP needs to do some very basic things like jettisoning the Rove's, abandoning the idea that the moderates are actually moderates, be willing to take off the gloves and paint the crappy picture that is the far left and stay on point... conservatism wins whenever it is tried and not watered down in some vain attempt to get the moderates.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The repubs will be wandering in the desert for more than 40 years if they keep nominating McCain's and Romneys.

Only if they keep forcing them to the far right.

McCain and Romney had reputations for being able to work with Democrats and Republicans when their convictons were in synch. Both were moderates.

But in order to get the nomination, both were required to serve eight years at hard labor turning hard to the right. Culminating in VP selections that cemented their positions out there in far right la - la land.

McCain and Romney could have both won. Had tey been left alone to run as moderates. But the GOP tolerates no maveroicks and no moderates. With "Rino" echoing in their ears, they demand members to sign pledges to vote the party line, they demand that even a good idea be filibustered if it originated from the "wrong" side of the aisle, and they empower wacky Tea Partiers to do their dirty work.

payback's a bitch, huh?

The farther they move away from individualism, responsibility, accountability the more they lose. If they cant argue a simple message of individualism to all americans instead of trading votes for largesse out of the treasury, what you are implying, ....screw them.

Exactly.. their message is that you will only get the minority vote if you promise them free shit and a lifetime of taxpayer assistance. How insulting is that? Sorry, I don't acept that.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Vinnie Vitalis's courting of the extremists in the Tea Party was enough to alienate the moderates who could have (and by almost any measuarable metric WOULD have elected him).

Tea Party candidates are only viable on a very localized basis and where there is a high concentration of homogenous (re: wasp) voters.

On the bigger stage extremist loses. Moderation wins. period.

Pretend whatever you need to in order to massage your ego. But if you're willing to admit the truth, there's a chance you can learn and grow as a human being.

I was right...You are deluded.

He alienated the TEA Party types, along with Ron Paul and Rick Santorum voters, by tossing them all overboard at the RNC....Those people recognized a Karl Rove neocon establishmentarian shoe salesman when they see one and stayed home in droves....

In case you didn't get the memo, your Boiking won by only 2 MM votes...A number that could've been easily overcome by those who sat out or went for Gary Johnson.

OH, BTW, both Cruz and Flake won in states with very large Latino constituencies, which blows your "WASP" meme clear out of the water.

1) Currently Obama leads by 3.3 million with votes still left to count.
2) Johnson got 1.2 million votes
3) Among moderates (41% of the electorate) Obama won by 15 points

And you say the Johnson voters and the no-shows are the votes to chase?

Good luck with that one.

 

[nodoginnafight]

One day they're horn brandishing, baby eating conservatives, then they're moderates.... you need counseling.

Link to my statement to that effect please

 

[Oddball]

Vinnie Vitalis's courting of the extremists in the Tea Party was enough to alienate the moderates who could have (and by almost any measuarable metric WOULD have elected him).

Tea Party candidates are only viable on a very localized basis and where there is a high concentration of homogenous (re: wasp) voters.

On the bigger stage extremist loses. Moderation wins. period.

Pretend whatever you need to in order to massage your ego. But if you're willing to admit the truth, there's a chance you can learn and grow as a human being.

I was right...You are deluded.

He alienated the TEA Party types, along with Ron Paul and Rick Santorum voters, by tossing them all overboard at the RNC....Those people recognized a Karl Rove neocon establishmentarian shoe salesman when they see one and stayed home in droves....

In case you didn't get the memo, your Boiking won by only 2 MM votes...A number that could've been easily overcome by those who sat out or went for Gary Johnson.

OH, BTW, both Cruz and Flake won in states with very large Latino constituencies, which blows your "WASP" meme clear out of the water.

1) Currently Obama leads by 3.3 million with votes still left to count.
2) Johnson got 1.2 million votes
3) Among moderates (41% of the electorate) Obama won by 15 points

And you say the Johnson voters and the no-shows are the votes to chase?

Good luck with that one.

Oh...3 MM...I stand corrected.

And how many fewer votes did your Boiking this time around, versus '08?...Like somewhere around 8MM?

What percentage of eligible voters stayed home?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Teapartiers are one of the best FREE recruiting tools the Left has. Keep it up T-Partiers

then you should have NO PROBLEMO with the likes of Rush Limbaugh, etc.....

 

[jillian]

Vinnie Vitalis's courting of the extremists in the Tea Party was enough to alienate the moderates who could have (and by almost any measuarable metric WOULD have elected him).

Tea Party candidates are only viable on a very localized basis and where there is a high concentration of homogenous (re: wasp) voters.

On the bigger stage extremist loses. Moderation wins. period.

Pretend whatever you need to in order to massage your ego. But if you're willing to admit the truth, there's a chance you can learn and grow as a human being.

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who supports a senate candidate who thinks pregnancy by rape is "G-d's will".

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who says the answer to our immigration problem is for illegals to "self-deport"... instead of seeking moderate, realistic solutions;

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who says he supports "personhood laws";

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who denies his singular accomplishment and thinks he can 'etch-a-sketch' his way into the whitehouse.

like mccain, had romney run as his earlier incarnation. the guy who was able to govern a blue state and was so proud of his healthcare plan that he included it in his official portrait, and picked someone who wasn't a radical like paul ryan to further assuage the wingnuts... he'd have won.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Only if they keep forcing them to the far right.

McCain and Romney had reputations for being able to work with Democrats and Republicans when their convictons were in synch. Both were moderates.

But in order to get the nomination, both were required to serve eight years at hard labor turning hard to the right. Culminating in VP selections that cemented their positions out there in far right la - la land.

McCain and Romney could have both won. Had tey been left alone to run as moderates. But the GOP tolerates no maveroicks and no moderates. With "Rino" echoing in their ears, they demand members to sign pledges to vote the party line, they demand that even a good idea be filibustered if it originated from the "wrong" side of the aisle, and they empower wacky Tea Partiers to do their dirty work.

payback's a bitch, huh?

The farther they move away from individualism, responsibility, accountability the more they lose. If they cant argue a simple message of individualism to all americans instead of trading votes for largesse out of the treasury, what you are implying, ....screw them.

Exactly.. their message is that you will only get the minority vote if you promise them free shit and a lifetime of taxpayer assistance. How insulting is that? Sorry, I don't acept that.

Very insulting. Don't accept it either. Its embarrassing

 

[nodoginnafight]

Vinnie Vitalis's courting of the extremists in the Tea Party was enough to alienate the moderates who could have (and by almost any measuarable metric WOULD have elected him).

Tea Party candidates are only viable on a very localized basis and where there is a high concentration of homogenous (re: wasp) voters.

On the bigger stage extremist loses. Moderation wins. period.

Pretend whatever you need to in order to massage your ego. But if you're willing to admit the truth, there's a chance you can learn and grow as a human being.

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who supports a senate candidate who thinks pregnancy by rape is "G-d's will".

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who says the answer to our immigration problem is for illegals to "self-deport"... instead of seeking moderate, realistic solutions;

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who says he supports "personhood laws";

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who denies his singular accomplishment and thinks he can 'etch-a-sketch' his way into the whitehouse.

like mccain, had romney run as his earlier incarnation. the guy who was able to govern a blue state and was so proud of his healthcare plan that he included it in his official portrait, and picked someone who wasn't a radical like paul ryan to further assuage the wingnuts... he'd have won.

I couldn't agree more. Very well said.

 

[Dot Com]

I was right...You are deluded.

He alienated the TEA Party types, along with Ron Paul and Rick Santorum voters, by tossing them all overboard at the RNC....Those people recognized a Karl Rove neocon establishmentarian shoe salesman when they see one and stayed home in droves....

In case you didn't get the memo, your Boiking won by only 2 MM votes...A number that could've been easily overcome by those who sat out or went for Gary Johnson.

OH, BTW, both Cruz and Flake won in states with very large Latino constituencies, which blows your "WASP" meme clear out of the water.

1) Currently Obama leads by 3.3 million with votes still left to count.
2) Johnson got 1.2 million votes
3) Among moderates (41% of the electorate) Obama won by 15 points

And you say the Johnson voters and the no-shows are the votes to chase?

Good luck with that one.

Oh...3 MM...I stand corrected.

And how many fewer votes did your Boiking this time around, versus '08?...Like somewhere around 8MM?

What percentage of eligible voters stayed home?

that makes it even MORE of a stunning defeat for Republicorp lol.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Assuming that people are only voting to get more of other people's money is also extremely insulting to 47% of the electorate.

Insulting people with crap like that isn't going to earn their votes.

 

[nodoginnafight]

1) Currently Obama leads by 3.3 million with votes still left to count.
2) Johnson got 1.2 million votes
3) Among moderates (41% of the electorate) Obama won by 15 points

And you say the Johnson voters and the no-shows are the votes to chase?

Good luck with that one.

Oh...3 MM...I stand corrected.

And how many fewer votes did your Boiking this time around, versus '08?...Like somewhere around 8MM?

What percentage of eligible voters stayed home?

that makes it even MORE of a stunning defeat for Republicorp lol.

Very true. It took a very hard turn to the right to lose this this one.

 

[Oddball]

1) Currently Obama leads by 3.3 million with votes still left to count.
2) Johnson got 1.2 million votes
3) Among moderates (41% of the electorate) Obama won by 15 points

And you say the Johnson voters and the no-shows are the votes to chase?

Good luck with that one.

Oh...3 MM...I stand corrected.

And how many fewer votes did your Boiking this time around, versus '08?...Like somewhere around 8MM?

What percentage of eligible voters stayed home?

that makes it even MORE of a stunning defeat for Republicorp lol.

What it makes is proof that trying to run as a so-called "moderate", in order to sidle up to a bunch of deluded bigots, who wouldn't ever consider voting for anyone with that (R) by their name out of sheer reactionary impulse in the first place, is a monumental waste of time and effort.

If this election showed anything, it's that the votes to win aren't to be found in the squishy nose-picking middle, but with the voters who are staying home.

 

[jillian]

Vinnie Vitalis's courting of the extremists in the Tea Party was enough to alienate the moderates who could have (and by almost any measuarable metric WOULD have elected him).

Tea Party candidates are only viable on a very localized basis and where there is a high concentration of homogenous (re: wasp) voters.

On the bigger stage extremist loses. Moderation wins. period.

Pretend whatever you need to in order to massage your ego. But if you're willing to admit the truth, there's a chance you can learn and grow as a human being.

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who supports a senate candidate who thinks pregnancy by rape is "G-d's will".

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who says the answer to our immigration problem is for illegals to "self-deport"... instead of seeking moderate, realistic solutions;

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who says he supports "personhood laws";

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who denies his singular accomplishment and thinks he can 'etch-a-sketch' his way into the whitehouse.

like mccain, had romney run as his earlier incarnation. the guy who was able to govern a blue state and was so proud of his healthcare plan that he included it in his official portrait, and picked someone who wasn't a radical like paul ryan to further assuage the wingnuts... he'd have won.

I couldn't agree more. Very well said.

thanks.

i've thought a lot about it. mccain in 2000 was a great man... he's still a great man and a hero. but his decision to move right after what bush did to him in 2000 was so ill-conceived. i think that set the tone for this election since the 'base' seems to have convinced repubilcans they won't support anyone who doesn't go full winger in the primaries.

it's a problem for your party.

but perhaps they'll learn from losses like romney, mccain, akins, angle, mourdock, o'donnell... each of those ran for a winnable GOP seat... lost because of the ignorance and extremism of the party standard bearer or their running mates/surrogates.

what i find amazing is the contingent on this board who think they should get more voices like the ones who got trounced.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Assuming that people are only voting to get more of other people's money is also extremely insulting to 47% of the electorate.

Insulting people with crap like that isn't going to earn their votes.

Truth hurts sometimes bud... you may not like hearing it, but that is EXACTLY what is going on. This whole election was about Romney being an evil, white rich guy that wanted to take your free shit and put black people back in chains so that millionaires and billionaires could fly around in their corporate jets.

It indeed is extraordinarily offensive that this kinda stupid bullshit actually was sold to such a large segment of the population.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Vinnie Vitalis's courting of the extremists in the Tea Party was enough to alienate the moderates who could have (and by almost any measuarable metric WOULD have elected him).

Tea Party candidates are only viable on a very localized basis and where there is a high concentration of homogenous (re: wasp) voters.

On the bigger stage extremist loses. Moderation wins. period.

Pretend whatever you need to in order to massage your ego. But if you're willing to admit the truth, there's a chance you can learn and grow as a human being.

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who supports a senate candidate who thinks pregnancy by rape is "G-d's will".

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who says the answer to our immigration problem is for illegals to "self-deport"... instead of seeking moderate, realistic solutions;

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who says he supports "personhood laws";

you can't expect mainstream people to vote for someone who denies his singular accomplishment and thinks he can 'etch-a-sketch' his way into the whitehouse.

like mccain, had romney run as his earlier incarnation. the guy who was able to govern a blue state and was so proud of his healthcare plan that he included it in his official portrait, and picked someone who wasn't a radical like paul ryan to further assuage the wingnuts... he'd have won.

McCain or Romney couldn't even win their nomination the first time around. If they were so great, it wouldn't have been a problem. You just proved my point. You even stated that you thought Romney was the sane one among the bunch early in the primaries.

 

[Dot Com]

so which teaparty group are you giving your $ to Soggy. There's lots of them. Remember Williams at tea party express? You people do realize that > 1/2 the people on social welfare are whites right?
Tea Party Express leader Mark Williams kicked out over 'Colored People' letter - New York Daily News