How Soon Will Ukrainian Nazis Become Another ISIS?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sure thing there sparky..... Only one side's to blame......

Yes, Yanukovych takes the sole blame, right? He should have signed the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement, right? Of course the de facto blackmailers are innocent, right?

Let's see here, some Ukraines started protesting, Yanukovychs' police started shooting people, he escaped to Russia to avoid the consequences and it was discovered not only was he a Putin tool he was just as corrupt as Putin. Since he ran off and vacated his post that left the position open, it was filled by someone who was anti-Russian...... Guess what happened next.
Please try to get all the facts.

That´s just the Western propaganda version of what has really happened.

Here are the "some Ukrainians":

And?

Nazis. Described as "peaceful demonstrators" by the West.

"The Obama administration has vehemently denied charges that Ukraine's nascent regime is stock full of neo-fascists despite clear evidence suggesting otherwise."

The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine Michael Hughes

How come not a single Commie on this thread will tell me the 5 most important differences between
Commies and Nazis?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If Russia would stop sending bullets and thugs to Ukraine that civil war would be over in a week or two and the death and destruction would cease.

Your statements would have been absolutely correct with one small change: the USA, not Russia.

You have knowledge of bullets or any kind of lethal weapons being provided to Ukraine by the USA? You have knowledge of American guys fighting on front lines or any kind of combat roll in Ukraine?

1. American "instructors" are openly training Ukrainian army.
2. Ukrainian president, parliament and all other "rulers" make their decisions after numerous visits of Biden, Nuland, McCain and "recommendations" from US Ambassador in Ukraine.

Have I named enough thugs for you? And let's not forget about Private Companies like "Black Water" and others, fighting on Ukrainian side.

1. American "instructors" are openly training Ukrainian army.

That's good, I hope they kill all the invading Russian thugs.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let's see here, some Ukraines started protesting, Yanukovychs' police started shooting people, he escaped to Russia to avoid the consequences and it was discovered not only was he a Putin tool he was just as corrupt as Putin. Since he ran off and vacated his post that left the position open, it was filled by someone who was anti-Russian...... Guess what happened next.
Please try to get all the facts.

Why don't you try to get a single fact. The US pumped 5 billion into regime change. It wasn't Yanukovych who shot up the Maiden. Everyone knew Yanukovych was corrupt before this all went down. Yanukovych was replaced by Washington's puppet Yatsenyuk. We know what happened next. You are the one guessing. Get a clue.

Putin is just supporting freedom fighters, eh comrade?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I understand. Nazis and Islamist terrorist are no longer evil when they work for your side, right?
I wonder why such people don´t suffocate by their hypocrisy.

"They are sons of a bitch, but they are OUR sons of the bitch", that's official Washington's philosophy. And always has been. Period.

Honestly, I've stated at least twice the the west wasn't completely blameless but it's painfully obvious you two pathetic morons believe Russia is pure as the driven snow....... And you idiots think I'm crazy......

They've got to pay for their vodka somehow.

 

[Bleipriester]

I understand. Nazis and Islamist terrorist are no longer evil when they work for your side, right?
I wonder why such people don´t suffocate by their hypocrisy.

"They are sons of a bitch, but they are OUR sons of the bitch", that's official Washington's philosophy. And always has been. Period.

Honestly, I've stated at least twice the the west wasn't completely blameless but it's painfully obvious you two pathetic morons believe Russia is pure as the driven snow....... And you idiots think I'm crazy......

When we talk about a specific situation, you show up with generalizing accusations totally out of context. Look, if Russia was wrong about this and the US right I would be for the US in this case. However, a likelihood that the US will be right with something in the future is not even given. This would require a regime chance in the US.

I am extending Hillary´s statement I cited earlier in this thread:
"Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Yet just about every country, including Russia has "harbored and sponsored terrorists", it's all a matter of perspective.
BTW, that wasn't even a good deflection on your part....... Try again.

How does your claim change anything as it is just a claim?

 

[Stratford57]

1. American "instructors" are openly training Ukrainian army.

That's good, I hope they kill all the invading Russian thugs.

Everybody loves to talk about Russian regular troops present in SE Ukraine, but nobody has ever presented any adequate evidence of it.

For example, a disappointed person with nick name Kozak_Mamai, who positions himself to be a Ukrainian patriot, wrote on Facebook recently:
“Why have we not been shown on our TV any captive, killed or begging to go home Russian soldiers, separatists or terrorists?
Why we are not shown piles of their corpses and destroyed military equipment?
Why don’t captive Russians tell Ukrainian news: Putin makes us go and fight in Ukraine.”?

And really, why??? May be because it is all alleged by official Kiev and Western propaganda.

 

[Ringel05]

I understand. Nazis and Islamist terrorist are no longer evil when they work for your side, right?
I wonder why such people don´t suffocate by their hypocrisy.

"They are sons of a bitch, but they are OUR sons of the bitch", that's official Washington's philosophy. And always has been. Period.

Honestly, I've stated at least twice the the west wasn't completely blameless but it's painfully obvious you two pathetic morons believe Russia is pure as the driven snow....... And you idiots think I'm crazy......

When we talk about a specific situation, you show up with generalizing accusations totally out of context. Look, if Russia was wrong about this and the US right I would be for the US in this case. However, a likelihood that the US will be right with something in the future is not even given. This would require a regime chance in the US.

I am extending Hillary´s statement I cited earlier in this thread:
"Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Yet just about every country, including Russia has "harbored and sponsored terrorists", it's all a matter of perspective.
BTW, that wasn't even a good deflection on your part....... Try again.

How does your claim change anything as it is just a claim?

How does your cherry picking of facts change anything other than you're cherry picking to support your position?

Basically you think Russia is the lesser of two evils here (if you view Russia as evil at all).....

See, I can do that also.......

Russian-Backed Rebels Are Restarting the War in Ukraine Foreign Policy

Ukraine Mounting evidence of war crimes and Russian involvement Amnesty International





But don't let that stop your support and praise of Russia and the glorious, freedom fighting pro-Russian rebels..........

 

[Bleipriester]

"They are sons of a bitch, but they are OUR sons of the bitch", that's official Washington's philosophy. And always has been. Period.

Honestly, I've stated at least twice the the west wasn't completely blameless but it's painfully obvious you two pathetic morons believe Russia is pure as the driven snow....... And you idiots think I'm crazy......

When we talk about a specific situation, you show up with generalizing accusations totally out of context. Look, if Russia was wrong about this and the US right I would be for the US in this case. However, a likelihood that the US will be right with something in the future is not even given. This would require a regime chance in the US.

I am extending Hillary´s statement I cited earlier in this thread:
"Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Yet just about every country, including Russia has "harbored and sponsored terrorists", it's all a matter of perspective.
BTW, that wasn't even a good deflection on your part....... Try again.

How does your claim change anything as it is just a claim?

How does your cherry picking of facts change anything other than you're cherry picking to support your position?

Basically you think Russia is the lesser of two evils here (if you view Russia as evil at all).....

See, I can do that also.......

Russian-Backed Rebels Are Restarting the War in Ukraine Foreign Policy

Ukraine Mounting evidence of war crimes and Russian involvement Amnesty International





But don't let that stop your support and praise of Russia and the glorious, freedom fighting pro-Russian rebels..........

I have really no clue what you are talking about.

 

[Toro]

How long before Moscow invades one of it's neighbors? Oh wait...........

It's an old Soviet tactic. They accuse those who oppose Russian aggression and dominance of being Nazis. They did that in the Baltics in the early 90s, which of course was utter bullshit.

And the useful idiots in the west swallow it up. Which is ironic because the useful idiots used to be on the left but are now on the right.

 

[Ringel05]

Honestly, I've stated at least twice the the west wasn't completely blameless but it's painfully obvious you two pathetic morons believe Russia is pure as the driven snow....... And you idiots think I'm crazy......

When we talk about a specific situation, you show up with generalizing accusations totally out of context. Look, if Russia was wrong about this and the US right I would be for the US in this case. However, a likelihood that the US will be right with something in the future is not even given. This would require a regime chance in the US.

I am extending Hillary´s statement I cited earlier in this thread:
"Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Yet just about every country, including Russia has "harbored and sponsored terrorists", it's all a matter of perspective.
BTW, that wasn't even a good deflection on your part....... Try again.

How does your claim change anything as it is just a claim?

How does your cherry picking of facts change anything other than you're cherry picking to support your position?

Basically you think Russia is the lesser of two evils here (if you view Russia as evil at all).....

See, I can do that also.......

Russian-Backed Rebels Are Restarting the War in Ukraine Foreign Policy

Ukraine Mounting evidence of war crimes and Russian involvement Amnesty International





But don't let that stop your support and praise of Russia and the glorious, freedom fighting pro-Russian rebels..........

I have really no clue what you are talking about.

You're ether deflecting again or just stupid.

 

[Stratford57]

Ringel, God bless those guys at your picture, they are defending their lands and families. If you've noticed, they all wear Georgian ribbons on their uniform, a symbol of the victory over German Nazis in 1945. Now you can be killed for wearing such a ribbon in Ukraine.

In a talk show on German television hosted by Gunther Jauch, a former inspector general of the German army and chair of the NATO military council, Harald Kujat described it as “idiotic” for the West to consider a military solution: if Russia wanted, it could end the war within 48 hours by sending regular troops in to Ukraine. The other guests on the show including Martin Shulz, President of the European Parliament, kept talking about "Russian aggression".

General Kujat doesn't buy it. Here's what he said:

• It's lot of speculation. Proof of Russia's involvement with regular force has not come to my attention so far.

• For example, the announcement of the Ukrainian President that 23 Russian armed vehicles have been destroyed on Ukrainian soil. There are no photos of surviving Russian soldiers nor of killed Russian soldiers.

• We have been shown five sattelite pictures as a proof that Russian Forces are in the Ukraine. Three of them were marked officially as "on Russian territory". Two of them are marked as "on Ukraine territory". The Russian pictures are marked with the exact location, while the Ukrainian ones have no mention of location and coordinates.

• We have to be very careful about what the Ukraine and the West says.

Choose any link you want:

Ex-general NATO has failed blatantly in Ukraine Europe DW.COM 03.09.2014
Top German General Western Evidence of Russian Invasion is Baloney
(video)

German media backs confrontation with Russia over Ukraine - World Socialist Web Site

 

[Ringel05]

How long before Moscow invades one of it's neighbors? Oh wait...........

It's an old Soviet tactic. They accuse those who oppose Russian aggression and dominance of being Nazis. They did that in the Baltics in the early 90s, which of course was utter bullshit.

And the useful idiots in the west swallow it up. Which is ironic because the useful idiots used to be on the left but are now on the right.

If these idiots were familiar with the full (non-Russian redacted version) of history in the region being discussed and Russian tactics since Stalin they would quickly change their tune.

 

[Ringel05]

God bless those guys at your pictures, they are defending their lands and families.

Meanwhile, a former inspector general of the German army and chair of the NATO military council, Harald Kujat:
In a talk show on German television hosted by Gunther Jauch, Kujat described it as “idiotic” for the West to consider a military solution: if Russia wanted, it could end the war within 48 hours by sending regular troops in to Ukraine. The other guests on the show including Martin Shulz, President of the European Parliament, kept talking about "Russian aggression".

General Kujat doesn't buy it. Here's what he said:

• It's lot of speculation. Proof of Russia's involvement with regular force has not come to my attention so far.

• For example, the announcement of the Ukrainian President that 23 Russian armed vehicles have been destroyed on Ukrainian soil. There are no photos of surviving Russian soldiers nor of killed Russian soldiers.

• We have been shown five sattelite pictures as a proof that Russian Forces are in the Ukraine. Three of them were marked officially as "on Russian territory". Two of them are marked as "on Ukraine territory". The Russian pictures are marked with the exact location, while the Ukrainian ones have no mention of location and coordinates.

• We have to be very careful about what the Ukraine and the West says.

Choose any link you want:

Ex-general NATO has failed blatantly in Ukraine Europe DW.COM 03.09.2014
Top German General Western Evidence of Russian Invasion is Baloney
(video)

German media backs confrontation with Russia over Ukraine - World Socialist Web Site

Yet you can't read your own posts......

For example, the announcement of the Ukrainian President that 23 Russian armed vehicles have been destroyed on Ukrainian soil. There are no photos of surviving Russian soldiers nor of killed Russian soldiers.

What's wrong with this statement....... I'll wait.........

Oh and "former".......

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

1. American "instructors" are openly training Ukrainian army.

That's good, I hope they kill all the invading Russian thugs.

Everybody loves to talk about Russian troops present in SE Ukraine, but nobody has ever presented any adequate evidence of it.

For example, a disappointed person with nick name Kozak_Mamai, who positions himself to be a Ukrainian patriot, wrote on Facebook recently:
“Why have we not been shown on our TV any captive, killed or begging to go home Russian soldiers, separatists or terrorists?
Why we are not shown piles of their corpses and destroyed military equipment?
Why don’t captive Russians tell Ukrainian news: Putin makes us go and fight in Ukraine.”?

And really, why??? May be because it is all alleged by official Kiev and Western propaganda.

Everybody loves to talk about Russian troops present in SE Ukraine, but nobody has ever presented any adequate evidence of it.

Bullshit.


How many Russians are fighting in Ukraine - BBC News

I hope you choke on the lower oil prices.
Maybe Pooty Poot can open his checkbook and return some of his stolen loot?

 

[Ringel05]

Ringel, God bless those guys at your picture, they are defending their lands and families. If you've noticed, they all wear Georgian ribbons on their uniform, a symbol of the victory over German Nazis in 1945. Now you can be killed for wearing such a ribbon in Ukraine.

In a talk show on German television hosted by Gunther Jauch, a former inspector general of the German army and chair of the NATO military council, Harald Kujat described it as “idiotic” for the West to consider a military solution: if Russia wanted, it could end the war within 48 hours by sending regular troops in to Ukraine. The other guests on the show including Martin Shulz, President of the European Parliament, kept talking about "Russian aggression".

General Kujat doesn't buy it. Here's what he said:

• It's lot of speculation. Proof of Russia's involvement with regular force has not come to my attention so far.

• For example, the announcement of the Ukrainian President that 23 Russian armed vehicles have been destroyed on Ukrainian soil. There are no photos of surviving Russian soldiers nor of killed Russian soldiers.

• We have been shown five sattelite pictures as a proof that Russian Forces are in the Ukraine. Three of them were marked officially as "on Russian territory". Two of them are marked as "on Ukraine territory". The Russian pictures are marked with the exact location, while the Ukrainian ones have no mention of location and coordinates.

• We have to be very careful about what the Ukraine and the West says.

Choose any link you want:

Ex-general NATO has failed blatantly in Ukraine Europe DW.COM 03.09.2014
Top German General Western Evidence of Russian Invasion is Baloney
(video)

German media backs confrontation with Russia over Ukraine - World Socialist Web Site

Oh and a couple of other points, it doesn't matter which country it is Generals become politicians when they receive their first star........ Think it through.....
Also the Russians aren't that stupid to put Russian troops in the Ukraine in Russian uniforms....... They both speak the same language aside from the Ukrainian Slavic derivation. Someone is gonna be able to tell the difference..... Riiiiight........

Oh and the World Socialist Website.......

 

[Ringel05]

Ringel, God bless those guys at your picture, they are defending their lands and families. If you've noticed, they all wear Georgian ribbons on their uniform, a symbol of the victory over German Nazis in 1945. Now you can be killed for wearing such a ribbon in Ukraine.

In a talk show on German television hosted by Gunther Jauch, a former inspector general of the German army and chair of the NATO military council, Harald Kujat described it as “idiotic” for the West to consider a military solution: if Russia wanted, it could end the war within 48 hours by sending regular troops in to Ukraine. The other guests on the show including Martin Shulz, President of the European Parliament, kept talking about "Russian aggression".

General Kujat doesn't buy it. Here's what he said:

• It's lot of speculation. Proof of Russia's involvement with regular force has not come to my attention so far.

• For example, the announcement of the Ukrainian President that 23 Russian armed vehicles have been destroyed on Ukrainian soil. There are no photos of surviving Russian soldiers nor of killed Russian soldiers.

• We have been shown five sattelite pictures as a proof that Russian Forces are in the Ukraine. Three of them were marked officially as "on Russian territory". Two of them are marked as "on Ukraine territory". The Russian pictures are marked with the exact location, while the Ukrainian ones have no mention of location and coordinates.

• We have to be very careful about what the Ukraine and the West says.

Choose any link you want:

Ex-general NATO has failed blatantly in Ukraine Europe DW.COM 03.09.2014
Top German General Western Evidence of Russian Invasion is Baloney
(video)

German media backs confrontation with Russia over Ukraine - World Socialist Web Site

Oh and a couple of other points, it doesn't matter which country it is Generals become politicians when they receive their first star........ Think it through.....
Also the Russians aren't that stupid to put Russian troops in the Ukraine in Russian uniforms....... They both speak the same language aside from the Ukrainian Slavic derivation. Someone is gonna be able to tell the difference..... Riiiiight........

Oh and the World Socialist Website.......

Hell we have former military leaders who claim to have inside knowledge of something they have no current inside knowledge of also......

 

[Stratford57]

I was talking about regular Russian troops, not volunteers, who came from Russia to defend Donbass people from official Kiev aggression.( BTW, USA has their troops all over the world and you don't criticize them, but Russians can't come to protect ethnic Russians in Donbass? Funny..) I'll tell you more: there are volunteers from many other countries (USA, Serbia, Italy, former Soviet republics) fighting on Donbass side as well as whole bunch of Poles, Swedes, Georgians, Lithuanians, etc., fighting on Ukrainian side.
Want to see, what Donbass civilians think about them? They beg Putin to bring his troops to protect Donbass from Kiev Junta.

Ukrainian woman is pleading the world for help


Donbass: Babushka survived KZ in WW2, but was killed by Ukrainian shelling

 

[Ringel05]

God bless those guys at your pictures, they are defending their lands and families.

Meanwhile, a former inspector general of the German army and chair of the NATO military council, Harald Kujat:
In a talk show on German television hosted by Gunther Jauch, Kujat described it as “idiotic” for the West to consider a military solution: if Russia wanted, it could end the war within 48 hours by sending regular troops in to Ukraine. The other guests on the show including Martin Shulz, President of the European Parliament, kept talking about "Russian aggression".

General Kujat doesn't buy it. Here's what he said:

• It's lot of speculation. Proof of Russia's involvement with regular force has not come to my attention so far.

• For example, the announcement of the Ukrainian President that 23 Russian armed vehicles have been destroyed on Ukrainian soil. There are no photos of surviving Russian soldiers nor of killed Russian soldiers.

• We have been shown five sattelite pictures as a proof that Russian Forces are in the Ukraine. Three of them were marked officially as "on Russian territory". Two of them are marked as "on Ukraine territory". The Russian pictures are marked with the exact location, while the Ukrainian ones have no mention of location and coordinates.

• We have to be very careful about what the Ukraine and the West says.

Choose any link you want:

Ex-general NATO has failed blatantly in Ukraine Europe DW.COM 03.09.2014
Top German General Western Evidence of Russian Invasion is Baloney
(video)

German media backs confrontation with Russia over Ukraine - World Socialist Web Site

Yet you can't read your own posts......

For example, the announcement of the Ukrainian President that 23 Russian armed vehicles have been destroyed on Ukrainian soil. There are no photos of surviving Russian soldiers nor of killed Russian soldiers.

What's wrong with this statement....... I'll wait.........

Oh and "former".......

What? No one has an answer to my question? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[Ringel05]

I was talking about regular Russian troops, not volunteers, who came from Russia to defend Donbass people from official Kiev aggression. I'll tell you more: there are volunteers from many other countries (USA, Serbia, Italy, fromer Soviet republics) fighting on Donbass side as well as whole bunch of Poles, Swedes, Georgians, Lithuanians, etc., fighting on Ukrainian side.
Want to see, what Donbass civilians think about them? They beg Putin to bring his troops to protect Donbass from Kiev Junta.

Ukrainian woman is pleading the world for help


Donbass: Babushka survived KZ in WW2, but was killed by Ukrainian shelling

Yeah? What else is new? It's war knumb knuts. Given the "tactics" your using I betcha you're a Hamas backer also.....

Can we prove regular Russian troops have been fighting in the Ukraine in separatist uniforms? No. Can you prove they haven't.......? No.

 

[Bleipriester]

When we talk about a specific situation, you show up with generalizing accusations totally out of context. Look, if Russia was wrong about this and the US right I would be for the US in this case. However, a likelihood that the US will be right with something in the future is not even given. This would require a regime chance in the US.

I am extending Hillary´s statement I cited earlier in this thread:
"Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."

Yet just about every country, including Russia has "harbored and sponsored terrorists", it's all a matter of perspective.
BTW, that wasn't even a good deflection on your part....... Try again.

How does your claim change anything as it is just a claim?

How does your cherry picking of facts change anything other than you're cherry picking to support your position?

Basically you think Russia is the lesser of two evils here (if you view Russia as evil at all).....

See, I can do that also.......

Russian-Backed Rebels Are Restarting the War in Ukraine Foreign Policy

Ukraine Mounting evidence of war crimes and Russian involvement Amnesty International





But don't let that stop your support and praise of Russia and the glorious, freedom fighting pro-Russian rebels..........

I have really no clue what you are talking about.

You're ether deflecting again or just stupid.

Tell me how I praise Russia and why the Donbass people are terrorists, then.