How should we define mental illness?

[Votto]

I define them, often, as batsh#t crazy or maybe fkd in the head. I stay away from clinical definitions, most of the time. Some lawyers, judges and juries, have been known to accept mental illness criteria, that lets the batsh#t crazy off with just treatment, instead of deserved punishment. I believe in capital punishment for these crazy fks. That crazy never gets to be a danger to society again, and I do not care about age. It lets parents and family members know to watch their crazy fk kids and family members, if they do not wish to see them, also parted from the mortal coil, as the crazy fk killed others. I don't do or approve of doing crazy crap. I am old, and had good examples. I remember a gym teacher/coach, beating some kid's ass in front of the entire class with a 3/4 inch thick oak paddle, punctuating his sentences with ass pounding pain, yelling "You stipid lil shit! Your daddy shoulda beat your ass, every damned day. It was a lesson, not on to the perp, but to everybody that witnessed that ass beating. Nobody would ever get away with crazy crap in that man's presence. The kid had taken a dodge ball off the rack, intentionally throwing at a kid, about 15 feet up the peg board, hitting him in the head, knocking him off to land on the gym floor, breaking his arm. If you teach them not to do crazy crap when young, fearing punishment, maybe they won't do crazy crap as adults, even more dangerous or deadly. Accept no defense on mental or anything else. Of course they are crazy. Who cares. Punish for the act, for the good of all. But, that's just me.

I'm not sure that is an acceptable medical definition, but thanks.

 

[martybegan]

Tolerance is legally not allowing discrimination and or criminalization. Acceptance varies by location as does celebration.

I don't accept the notion that men who want to look like women and augment themselves, should be allowed to play in professional leagues competing with women. (Or do I have to say biological females?). I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships against women (BF's) either.

Tolerance is accepting people are going to be different and not trying to change that. acceptance is thinking what those people are doing is good and proper. Celebration is advocating for what those people are doing.

They shouldn't also be able to force people to accept their delusions when they are pretending to be what they are not.

Going further, things like Pride in schools isn't tolerance, it's forced celebration. That is the argument.

 

[Votto]

Tolerance is legally not allowing discrimination and or criminalization. Acceptance varies by location as does celebration.

I don't accept the notion that men who want to look like women and augment themselves, should be allowed to play in professional leagues competing with women. (Or do I have to say biological females?). I don't think they should be able to compete for scholarships against women (BF's) either.

There is a cancelling effect on those who are seen as mentally ill.

This is why many try to use the term on political opponents, like Trump or even Barry Goldwater back in the day.

In society, the mentally ill people want nothing to do with, which is another reason why giving others the ability to stamp you with this label is problematic.

 

[martybegan]

There is a veritable ocean between being gay and thinking you're not the sex you were born. One is a bit weird to me at least, the other is mental illness.

Most of what we are seeing now isn't actually gender dysphoria, it's mostly fetishes amongst men, and something else amongst teenage girls.

 

[JWBooth]

How should we define mental illness?​

Liberal progressivism and Trump worship.

 

[martybegan]

There is a cancelling effect on those who are seen as mentally ill.

This is why many try to use the term on political opponents, like Trump or even Barry Goldwater back in the day.

In society, the mentally ill people want nothing to do with, which is another reason why giving others the ability to stamp you with this label is problematic.

Always reminds me of this scene from Sopranos.

 

[toobfreak]

Tolerance is legally not allowing discrimination and or criminalization.

So then, J6 was really an act of tolerance, not insurrection.

I don't accept the notion that men who want to look like women and augment themselves, should be allowed to play in professional leagues competing with women.

I don't want to look like a woman--- for that, I would just prefer getting a real woman. Guys trying to identify with women must then have some insecurity, competition issue, etc., to try to appear feminine along with them.

(Or do I have to say biological females?).

Being biologically female is the only true female. If appearances were all that mattered, then why not settle for a cardboard cutout? From 30 feet away, who can tell, right?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Right, as politicians determine things like can you own a firearm if you are "mentally ill"?

What if they declare us all nuts?

The Russians would just declare the political opponents "insane" and lock them up.

NO. You have defined mental illness for two groups only. Thou comes to the court with unclean hands. Hence, I will leave the definitions of mental illness to the professionals.

 

[kyzr]

Those people are already seen as having a clinical mental illness, either inherent or drug induced. The problem there is the lack of will to isolate them from society until such a time as them being ready to re-join it. If ever.

Throw in the 2nd Amendment and we have an unacceptable risk.

IMHO we need to take psychos off the street and "red flag" their guns.

Only problem is that psychiatrists won't commit them or take their guns.

 

[martybegan]

Throw in the 2nd Amendment and we have an unacceptable risk.

IMHO we need to take psychos off the street and "red flag" their guns.

Only problem is that psychiatrists won't commit them or take their guns.

It's a risk, opinion decides if it's unacceptable.

Red flag laws are open to abuse by people who want to ban firearms entirely.

 

[toobfreak]

IMHO we need to take psychos off the street and "red flag" their guns.

Do understand that if this were still the 19th century or earlier, probably 90 out of every 100 democrats alive today would be deemed mentally ill, dangerous, possessed, haunted, etc., and would be locked away if not outright burned at the stake.

So, having psychologists willing to label progressivism, genderism, etc., as mere choices by sane people instead of crazy people in need of medication and treatment are the Left's best friends.

Which is crazy.

Now you know how the Left found 500 psychiatrists willing to label someone as dangerously insane without having even met the person once, yet, not one of them found Joe incompetent.

 

[BlindBoo]

So then, J6 was really an act of tolerance, not insurrection.

Say, that was a nice poll vault. It depends on which part of Jan 6th you are talking about? No part of the participants that day was an act of tolerance. Only the part where they planned to insert the forged State Certifications into the process was really an insurrection against the incoming administration. The violence at the capitol was a riot meant to intimidate Congress that day. Just like the tactics Mussolini used against the government of Italy when he was trying to impose his political views on that country.

I don't want to look like a woman-

I don't care......

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The reason I put this in the political section, is because the definition seems to be heavily influenced by political leanings and has many political implications.

For example, to be trans or gay, it was once declared a mental disorder by the established medical community, but today, they say just the opposite.

What changed?

The same can be said for those wanting to kill themselves. It used to be that these people were viewed as mentally ill, so everything must be done to prevent them from harming themselves. However, in certain countries it is legal to do so, with next to no, if any, questions asked. They obviously cannot label such a condition as a mental illness and then help them kill themselves, specifically because they would not be of sound mind to make such a determination.

And the recent shooter in Dallas that tried to take out ICE agents come to mind. Many here labelled him mentally ill for what he did, which was shoot and kill a bunch of people and then himself. How is that to be determined, especially in hindsight that some who have tried to kill others, such as the squad that tried to assassinate Hitler, are viewed by all to be universal heroes, even though their attempt failed. Maybe the kid thought that ICE agents were Hitler's henchmen like he is told every day of the week by the media and the DNC.

I had some elective classes in abnormal psychology in 1989. Trans and gay was classified as abnormal. Trans was classified as abnormal and having major mental problems.

 

[toobfreak]

Say, that was a nice poll vault.

Did you like that? And that was with using only a 3' pole and 2 ' of it shoved up my ass.

It depends on which part of Jan 6th you are talking about? No part of the participants that day was an act of tolerance.

Sure it was. You said that tolerance is legally not allowing discrimination and or criminalization, and the protesters there that day were there to oppose discrimination and criminalization of an election, therefore, J6ers must be the most tolerant people in the world.

 

[kyzr]

It's a risk, opinion decides if it's unacceptable.
Red flag laws are open to abuse by people who want to ban firearms entirely.

If red flag laws require a judge to agree with the psychiatrist that should provide due process.
Also the red flag would be temporary, a year or two, unless the guy is really gone.

 

[Clipper]

Do understand that if this were still the 19th century or earlier, probably 90 out of every 100 democrats alive today would be deemed mentally ill, dangerous, possessed, haunted, etc., and would be locked away if not outright burned at the stake.

So, having psychologists willing to label progressivism, genderism, etc., as mere choices by sane people instead of crazy people in need of medication and treatment are the Left's best friends.

Which is crazy.

Now you know how the Left found 500 psychiatrists willing to label someone as dangerously insane without having even met the person once, yet, not one of them found Joe incompetent.

As an example if someone orders people on a boat in international waters lit on fire & blown to bits without any proof that they are drug smugglers or whatever, is the person who ordered the hit mentally ill?

Asking for a friend.

 

[candycorn]

It would start with accepting reality.

Such as Trump losing the 2020 election (somehow this is political so I’ll play along).And that is just the tip of the delusional iceberg that is MAGA.

Few MAGAs accept reality so clearly there is a lot of mental illness there.

 

[Paddlefoot]

Someone who doesn't think Melania Trump isn't hot.

 

[YoursTruly]

How should we define mental illness?​

Answer: Unfit for society.

 

[the watcher]

I believe the government has defined mental illness as "a person (or organization that displays non-conforming ideals, questions its narrative, or refuses to comply with its directives". What would you suggest and remember that the Echelon program is interested in your response.