How Many Lies Did Obama Tell Tonight?

[hipeter924]

Cut out the parts of the speech I found were repetitive:

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

But a drop in average hourly earnings last month, after a healthy gain in November, sidetracked hopes that a tighter labor market was beginning to lead to broader wage gains.

Claim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

State and USAID: The FY 2014 civilian foreign assistance request of nearly $2.2 billion for Afghanistan

Claim: "Today, fewer than 15,000 remain"
Reality: Which is still boots on the ground. And keep in mind that the administration puts people in 'support roles' or training Afghan forces, which it doesn't count as boots on the ground.

Claim: "At this moment – with a growing economy"
Reality: Don't mention the middle class is not getting any richer: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...le-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html

“The idea that the median American has so much more income than the middle class in all other parts of the world is not true these days,” said Lawrence Katz, a Harvard economist who is not associated with LIS. “In 1960, we were massively richer than anyone else. In 1980, we were richer. In the 1990s, we were still richer.” That is no longer the case, Professor Katz added.

Median per capita income was $18,700 in the United States in 2010 (which translates to about $75,000 for a family of four after taxes), up 20 percent since 1980 but virtually unchanged since 2000, after adjusting for inflation. The same measure, by comparison, rose about 20 percent in Britain between 2000 and 2010 and 14 percent in the Netherlands. Median income also rose 20 percent in Canada between 2000 and 2010, to the equivalent of $18,700.

Claim: "shrinking deficits"
Reality: Only for 2015 (-469), and it is expected to increase in 2016 (-556) onwards. So clearly a misrepresentation: An Update to the Budget and Economic Outlook 2014 to 2024 Congressional Budget Office

Claim: "We believed we could reverse the tide of outsourcing"
Reality: It hasn't reversed: 2 000 jobs threatened as United mulls outsourcing at 28 U.S. airports - Fortune

United Airlines is assessing whether to outsource jobs at airports around the country in a cost-cutting effort that could affect some 2,000 workers.

Claim: "and draw new jobs to our shores."
Reality: Jobs that pay less than before the recession: Report New Jobs in U.S. Offer Lower Wages Than Before Recession - Businessweek

The recovery has been disappointing from the perspective of pay. From early 2010 through mid-2014, while the economy gained a little more than 9 million jobs, the fastest growth came in the low-paying accommodation and food sector; this year the average annual wages in the sector are just under $21,000.

Claim: "And over the past five years, our businesses have created more than 11 million new jobs."
Reality: Which are only part-time, and can barely pay the bills: More Americans are stuck in part-time work - The Washington Post

But the spike in part-time work since the recession has been largely involuntary. These workers may have had their hours cut or are unable to find full-time jobs, earning them the official designation of “part-time for economic reasons.” In June, their ranks swelled by 275,000 to 7.5 million. In 2007, 4.4 million people fell into this category.

Claim: "And today, our younger students have earned the highest math and reading scores on record. Our high school graduation rate has hit an all-time high. And more Americans finish college than ever before."
Reality: According to the OECD, US graduation rates only grew by 7% in 2012, but the OECD average is 11%. 42% of 55-64 year old Americans have a university level education. It is 44% in Canada, 47% in Israel, and quite surprisingly 49% in Russia.

Claim: "We believed that sensible regulations could prevent another crisis"
Reality: Financial regulation has been cut in small pieces throughout 2009-2014: Financial crisis The banking rules that died by a thousand small cuts - Fortune

In fact, Congress recently weakened The Volcker Rule, which aimed to prohibit some forms of risky trading by banks. And now the Republican-controlled House and Senate vow to further roll back the Volcker Rule and other provisions of the Dodd-Frank financial reform.

Claim: "shield families from ruin"
Reality: Millions of Americans would disagree who lost their homes, when Democrats had control and could have stopped it: 1.2 million households lost to recession - Business - Eye on the Economy NBC News

Brown represents one of the more than 1.2 million households lost to the recession, according to a report issued this week by the Mortgage Bankers Association that looked at data between 2005 and 2008. That number doesn’t include information from 2009, when job losses and foreclosures continued to rise.

So it's likely that the full impact of the 8.4 million jobs lost and nearly three million homes foreclosed on since the recession began has taken an even bigger toll on the number of American households.

Claim: "and encourage fair competition"
Reality: Would have to agree partly on this one as consumers seem to believe they are better off, but the net neutrality ruling would have many disagree:
At Last More Consumers Say They Are Better Off Than a Year Ago Than Worse Off - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Claim: "Today, we have new tools to stop taxpayer-funded bailouts"
Reality: The US budget did the reverse, and to think he claimed to be 'against it': Congressional budget welcomes big bank bailouts once more despite White House opposition Business The Guardian

The new budget provision once again acts as a promise that taxpayers will foot the bill for risky trading and speculation, Kelleher said.

“If things go wrong, [the banks] get to run to the Fed for bailouts. That’s incredibly valuable to them,” he said.

The surprise in the budget move is that everyone but banks considered the matter already settled.

The Dodd-Frank rule dictated that banks would have to find new homes for their risk-taking unit to prevent them from taking risks with customer deposits. Even so, mistakes occurred.

Claim: "And in the past year alone, about ten million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."
Reality: Which was still substandard, and none of the major underlying issues with the healthcare system were fixed: Obamacare Good bad and ugly The Economist

But Obamacare tackled only half of the problem. American health care, warns Mr Brill, is still jeopardised by “the broken economics of the marketplace”. Doctors are rewarded for performing useless procedures, while insurers pay for as little as possible, and hospitals gouge those without coverage. The author has his own plan for reform that involves encouraging the country’s big health systems to expand and offer their own insurance. This, he writes, would eliminate the incentive for doctors and hospitals to run up costs (as they would be on the hook for them) and cut out the insurance-company middleman that wants to skimp on care.

Just the first two I found interesting so I'll quote them.

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999 and in your "reality" it mentions nothing about the pace of job creation HUH?

laim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

Our combat mission is over. In your "reality" it doesnt address the combat mission at all....?

It kinda goes on like that. I say I like Pie and your reality says "But you had cake once"

Because if you are creating millions of low paid part-time jobs, they might be 'jobs' but they are not a replacement for the high paid jobs lost in the recession.

By your logic if 11 million jobs were created cleaning toilets it is 'progress', even though half of that number might have been teachers, stock traders, computer programmers, and so on. Making more wage slaves is nothing to celebrate.

It isn't 'over' in Afghanistan, just like Iraq isn't 'over'. Combat operations are still happening, as well as training Afghans/Iraqis, and sorry but 15,000 troops does not equal zero, nor does 9000.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Cut out the parts of the speech I found were repetitive:

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

But a drop in average hourly earnings last month, after a healthy gain in November, sidetracked hopes that a tighter labor market was beginning to lead to broader wage gains.

Claim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

State and USAID: The FY 2014 civilian foreign assistance request of nearly $2.2 billion for Afghanistan

Claim: "Today, fewer than 15,000 remain"
Reality: Which is still boots on the ground. And keep in mind that the administration puts people in 'support roles' or training Afghan forces, which it doesn't count as boots on the ground.

Claim: "At this moment – with a growing economy"
Reality: Don't mention the middle class is not getting any richer: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...le-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html

“The idea that the median American has so much more income than the middle class in all other parts of the world is not true these days,” said Lawrence Katz, a Harvard economist who is not associated with LIS. “In 1960, we were massively richer than anyone else. In 1980, we were richer. In the 1990s, we were still richer.” That is no longer the case, Professor Katz added.

Median per capita income was $18,700 in the United States in 2010 (which translates to about $75,000 for a family of four after taxes), up 20 percent since 1980 but virtually unchanged since 2000, after adjusting for inflation. The same measure, by comparison, rose about 20 percent in Britain between 2000 and 2010 and 14 percent in the Netherlands. Median income also rose 20 percent in Canada between 2000 and 2010, to the equivalent of $18,700.

Claim: "shrinking deficits"
Reality: Only for 2015 (-469), and it is expected to increase in 2016 (-556) onwards. So clearly a misrepresentation: An Update to the Budget and Economic Outlook 2014 to 2024 Congressional Budget Office

Claim: "We believed we could reverse the tide of outsourcing"
Reality: It hasn't reversed: 2 000 jobs threatened as United mulls outsourcing at 28 U.S. airports - Fortune

United Airlines is assessing whether to outsource jobs at airports around the country in a cost-cutting effort that could affect some 2,000 workers.

Claim: "and draw new jobs to our shores."
Reality: Jobs that pay less than before the recession: Report New Jobs in U.S. Offer Lower Wages Than Before Recession - Businessweek

The recovery has been disappointing from the perspective of pay. From early 2010 through mid-2014, while the economy gained a little more than 9 million jobs, the fastest growth came in the low-paying accommodation and food sector; this year the average annual wages in the sector are just under $21,000.

Claim: "And over the past five years, our businesses have created more than 11 million new jobs."
Reality: Which are only part-time, and can barely pay the bills: More Americans are stuck in part-time work - The Washington Post

But the spike in part-time work since the recession has been largely involuntary. These workers may have had their hours cut or are unable to find full-time jobs, earning them the official designation of “part-time for economic reasons.” In June, their ranks swelled by 275,000 to 7.5 million. In 2007, 4.4 million people fell into this category.

Claim: "And today, our younger students have earned the highest math and reading scores on record. Our high school graduation rate has hit an all-time high. And more Americans finish college than ever before."
Reality: According to the OECD, US graduation rates only grew by 7% in 2012, but the OECD average is 11%. 42% of 55-64 year old Americans have a university level education. It is 44% in Canada, 47% in Israel, and quite surprisingly 49% in Russia.

Claim: "We believed that sensible regulations could prevent another crisis"
Reality: Financial regulation has been cut in small pieces throughout 2009-2014: Financial crisis The banking rules that died by a thousand small cuts - Fortune

In fact, Congress recently weakened The Volcker Rule, which aimed to prohibit some forms of risky trading by banks. And now the Republican-controlled House and Senate vow to further roll back the Volcker Rule and other provisions of the Dodd-Frank financial reform.

Claim: "shield families from ruin"
Reality: Millions of Americans would disagree who lost their homes, when Democrats had control and could have stopped it: 1.2 million households lost to recession - Business - Eye on the Economy NBC News

Brown represents one of the more than 1.2 million households lost to the recession, according to a report issued this week by the Mortgage Bankers Association that looked at data between 2005 and 2008. That number doesn’t include information from 2009, when job losses and foreclosures continued to rise.

So it's likely that the full impact of the 8.4 million jobs lost and nearly three million homes foreclosed on since the recession began has taken an even bigger toll on the number of American households.

Claim: "and encourage fair competition"
Reality: Would have to agree partly on this one as consumers seem to believe they are better off, but the net neutrality ruling would have many disagree:
At Last More Consumers Say They Are Better Off Than a Year Ago Than Worse Off - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Claim: "Today, we have new tools to stop taxpayer-funded bailouts"
Reality: The US budget did the reverse, and to think he claimed to be 'against it': Congressional budget welcomes big bank bailouts once more despite White House opposition Business The Guardian

The new budget provision once again acts as a promise that taxpayers will foot the bill for risky trading and speculation, Kelleher said.

“If things go wrong, [the banks] get to run to the Fed for bailouts. That’s incredibly valuable to them,” he said.

The surprise in the budget move is that everyone but banks considered the matter already settled.

The Dodd-Frank rule dictated that banks would have to find new homes for their risk-taking unit to prevent them from taking risks with customer deposits. Even so, mistakes occurred.

Claim: "And in the past year alone, about ten million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."
Reality: Which was still substandard, and none of the major underlying issues with the healthcare system were fixed: Obamacare Good bad and ugly The Economist

But Obamacare tackled only half of the problem. American health care, warns Mr Brill, is still jeopardised by “the broken economics of the marketplace”. Doctors are rewarded for performing useless procedures, while insurers pay for as little as possible, and hospitals gouge those without coverage. The author has his own plan for reform that involves encouraging the country’s big health systems to expand and offer their own insurance. This, he writes, would eliminate the incentive for doctors and hospitals to run up costs (as they would be on the hook for them) and cut out the insurance-company middleman that wants to skimp on care.

Just the first two I found interesting so I'll quote them.

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999 and in your "reality" it mentions nothing about the pace of job creation HUH?

laim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

Our combat mission is over. In your "reality" it doesnt address the combat mission at all....?

It kinda goes on like that. I say I like Pie and your reality says "But you had cake once"

Because if you are creating millions of low paid part-time jobs, they might be 'jobs' but they are not a replacement for the high paid jobs lost in the recession.

By your logic if 11 million jobs were created cleaning toilets it is 'progress', even though half of that number might have been teachers, stock traders, computer programmers, and so on. Making more wage slaves is nothing to celebrate.

It isn't 'over' in Afghanistan, just like Iraq isn't 'over'. Combat operations are still happening, as well as training Afghans/Iraqis, and sorry but 15,000 troops does not equal zero, nor does 9000.

I agree and if Obama said that the jobs created were good replacements for high paying jobs you'd have a point. But he didnt.

I dontn know about the combat operations part..Links would be helpful showing that his statement was wrong but responding about "financial obligations" isnt addressing "combat operations"

 

[hipeter924]

Cut out the parts of the speech I found were repetitive:

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

But a drop in average hourly earnings last month, after a healthy gain in November, sidetracked hopes that a tighter labor market was beginning to lead to broader wage gains.

Claim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

State and USAID: The FY 2014 civilian foreign assistance request of nearly $2.2 billion for Afghanistan

Claim: "Today, fewer than 15,000 remain"
Reality: Which is still boots on the ground. And keep in mind that the administration puts people in 'support roles' or training Afghan forces, which it doesn't count as boots on the ground.

Claim: "At this moment – with a growing economy"
Reality: Don't mention the middle class is not getting any richer: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...le-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html

“The idea that the median American has so much more income than the middle class in all other parts of the world is not true these days,” said Lawrence Katz, a Harvard economist who is not associated with LIS. “In 1960, we were massively richer than anyone else. In 1980, we were richer. In the 1990s, we were still richer.” That is no longer the case, Professor Katz added.

Median per capita income was $18,700 in the United States in 2010 (which translates to about $75,000 for a family of four after taxes), up 20 percent since 1980 but virtually unchanged since 2000, after adjusting for inflation. The same measure, by comparison, rose about 20 percent in Britain between 2000 and 2010 and 14 percent in the Netherlands. Median income also rose 20 percent in Canada between 2000 and 2010, to the equivalent of $18,700.

Claim: "shrinking deficits"
Reality: Only for 2015 (-469), and it is expected to increase in 2016 (-556) onwards. So clearly a misrepresentation: An Update to the Budget and Economic Outlook 2014 to 2024 Congressional Budget Office

Claim: "We believed we could reverse the tide of outsourcing"
Reality: It hasn't reversed: 2 000 jobs threatened as United mulls outsourcing at 28 U.S. airports - Fortune

United Airlines is assessing whether to outsource jobs at airports around the country in a cost-cutting effort that could affect some 2,000 workers.

Claim: "and draw new jobs to our shores."
Reality: Jobs that pay less than before the recession: Report New Jobs in U.S. Offer Lower Wages Than Before Recession - Businessweek

The recovery has been disappointing from the perspective of pay. From early 2010 through mid-2014, while the economy gained a little more than 9 million jobs, the fastest growth came in the low-paying accommodation and food sector; this year the average annual wages in the sector are just under $21,000.

Claim: "And over the past five years, our businesses have created more than 11 million new jobs."
Reality: Which are only part-time, and can barely pay the bills: More Americans are stuck in part-time work - The Washington Post

But the spike in part-time work since the recession has been largely involuntary. These workers may have had their hours cut or are unable to find full-time jobs, earning them the official designation of “part-time for economic reasons.” In June, their ranks swelled by 275,000 to 7.5 million. In 2007, 4.4 million people fell into this category.

Claim: "And today, our younger students have earned the highest math and reading scores on record. Our high school graduation rate has hit an all-time high. And more Americans finish college than ever before."
Reality: According to the OECD, US graduation rates only grew by 7% in 2012, but the OECD average is 11%. 42% of 55-64 year old Americans have a university level education. It is 44% in Canada, 47% in Israel, and quite surprisingly 49% in Russia.

Claim: "We believed that sensible regulations could prevent another crisis"
Reality: Financial regulation has been cut in small pieces throughout 2009-2014: Financial crisis The banking rules that died by a thousand small cuts - Fortune

In fact, Congress recently weakened The Volcker Rule, which aimed to prohibit some forms of risky trading by banks. And now the Republican-controlled House and Senate vow to further roll back the Volcker Rule and other provisions of the Dodd-Frank financial reform.

Claim: "shield families from ruin"
Reality: Millions of Americans would disagree who lost their homes, when Democrats had control and could have stopped it: 1.2 million households lost to recession - Business - Eye on the Economy NBC News

Brown represents one of the more than 1.2 million households lost to the recession, according to a report issued this week by the Mortgage Bankers Association that looked at data between 2005 and 2008. That number doesn’t include information from 2009, when job losses and foreclosures continued to rise.

So it's likely that the full impact of the 8.4 million jobs lost and nearly three million homes foreclosed on since the recession began has taken an even bigger toll on the number of American households.

Claim: "and encourage fair competition"
Reality: Would have to agree partly on this one as consumers seem to believe they are better off, but the net neutrality ruling would have many disagree:
At Last More Consumers Say They Are Better Off Than a Year Ago Than Worse Off - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Claim: "Today, we have new tools to stop taxpayer-funded bailouts"
Reality: The US budget did the reverse, and to think he claimed to be 'against it': Congressional budget welcomes big bank bailouts once more despite White House opposition Business The Guardian

The new budget provision once again acts as a promise that taxpayers will foot the bill for risky trading and speculation, Kelleher said.

“If things go wrong, [the banks] get to run to the Fed for bailouts. That’s incredibly valuable to them,” he said.

The surprise in the budget move is that everyone but banks considered the matter already settled.

The Dodd-Frank rule dictated that banks would have to find new homes for their risk-taking unit to prevent them from taking risks with customer deposits. Even so, mistakes occurred.

Claim: "And in the past year alone, about ten million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."
Reality: Which was still substandard, and none of the major underlying issues with the healthcare system were fixed: Obamacare Good bad and ugly The Economist

But Obamacare tackled only half of the problem. American health care, warns Mr Brill, is still jeopardised by “the broken economics of the marketplace”. Doctors are rewarded for performing useless procedures, while insurers pay for as little as possible, and hospitals gouge those without coverage. The author has his own plan for reform that involves encouraging the country’s big health systems to expand and offer their own insurance. This, he writes, would eliminate the incentive for doctors and hospitals to run up costs (as they would be on the hook for them) and cut out the insurance-company middleman that wants to skimp on care.

Just the first two I found interesting so I'll quote them.

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999 and in your "reality" it mentions nothing about the pace of job creation HUH?

laim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

Our combat mission is over. In your "reality" it doesnt address the combat mission at all....?

It kinda goes on like that. I say I like Pie and your reality says "But you had cake once"

Because if you are creating millions of low paid part-time jobs, they might be 'jobs' but they are not a replacement for the high paid jobs lost in the recession.

By your logic if 11 million jobs were created cleaning toilets it is 'progress', even though half of that number might have been teachers, stock traders, computer programmers, and so on. Making more wage slaves is nothing to celebrate.

It isn't 'over' in Afghanistan, just like Iraq isn't 'over'. Combat operations are still happening, as well as training Afghans/Iraqis, and sorry but 15,000 troops does not equal zero, nor does 9000.

I agree and if Obama said that the jobs created were good replacements for high paying jobs you'd have a point. But he didnt.

I dontn know about the combat operations part..Links would be helpful showing that his statement was wrong but responding about "financial obligations" isnt addressing "combat operations"

He did make out like it was a 'great sucess', which is total BS, considering that the jobs are worse than before the recession, as they are part-time and lower paid.

I don't need to provide links for something going on, like airstrikes in Iraq or responding to terrorist attacks in Kabul, and so on. Till there are zero boots in either country, and only a small embassy staff, and an end to billion dollar aid - I won't believe a word of it being 'over'

 

[Flash]

Obama's speech:

free stuff

free stuff

me, me

Free stuff,

me, me

love the Muslims

free stuff

global warming

free stuff

I'm sure that is exactly what you heard. The only problem with that, is that it was the voices in your head you heard instead of our president's great speech.

You have Moon Bat ears so you heard that if we just give communism one more chance it will work this time.

Wrong again. When did the right wing start thinking they could make something true just by saying it?

You mean like Obama saying that the war on terror is over and the terrorists are on the run or that our economy is improving due to his policies or that the earth is burning up due to AWG when none of the facts support any of that bullshit?

Voting for Obama was probably the dumbest thing you have ever done in your life. Just admit and then promise to pull you head out of your ass and all will be forgiven.

 

[Conservative65]

Cut out the parts of the speech I found were repetitive:

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

But a drop in average hourly earnings last month, after a healthy gain in November, sidetracked hopes that a tighter labor market was beginning to lead to broader wage gains.

Claim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

State and USAID: The FY 2014 civilian foreign assistance request of nearly $2.2 billion for Afghanistan

Claim: "Today, fewer than 15,000 remain"
Reality: Which is still boots on the ground. And keep in mind that the administration puts people in 'support roles' or training Afghan forces, which it doesn't count as boots on the ground.

Claim: "At this moment – with a growing economy"
Reality: Don't mention the middle class is not getting any richer: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...le-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html

“The idea that the median American has so much more income than the middle class in all other parts of the world is not true these days,” said Lawrence Katz, a Harvard economist who is not associated with LIS. “In 1960, we were massively richer than anyone else. In 1980, we were richer. In the 1990s, we were still richer.” That is no longer the case, Professor Katz added.

Median per capita income was $18,700 in the United States in 2010 (which translates to about $75,000 for a family of four after taxes), up 20 percent since 1980 but virtually unchanged since 2000, after adjusting for inflation. The same measure, by comparison, rose about 20 percent in Britain between 2000 and 2010 and 14 percent in the Netherlands. Median income also rose 20 percent in Canada between 2000 and 2010, to the equivalent of $18,700.

Claim: "shrinking deficits"
Reality: Only for 2015 (-469), and it is expected to increase in 2016 (-556) onwards. So clearly a misrepresentation: An Update to the Budget and Economic Outlook 2014 to 2024 Congressional Budget Office

Claim: "We believed we could reverse the tide of outsourcing"
Reality: It hasn't reversed: 2 000 jobs threatened as United mulls outsourcing at 28 U.S. airports - Fortune

United Airlines is assessing whether to outsource jobs at airports around the country in a cost-cutting effort that could affect some 2,000 workers.

Claim: "and draw new jobs to our shores."
Reality: Jobs that pay less than before the recession: Report New Jobs in U.S. Offer Lower Wages Than Before Recession - Businessweek

The recovery has been disappointing from the perspective of pay. From early 2010 through mid-2014, while the economy gained a little more than 9 million jobs, the fastest growth came in the low-paying accommodation and food sector; this year the average annual wages in the sector are just under $21,000.

Claim: "And over the past five years, our businesses have created more than 11 million new jobs."
Reality: Which are only part-time, and can barely pay the bills: More Americans are stuck in part-time work - The Washington Post

But the spike in part-time work since the recession has been largely involuntary. These workers may have had their hours cut or are unable to find full-time jobs, earning them the official designation of “part-time for economic reasons.” In June, their ranks swelled by 275,000 to 7.5 million. In 2007, 4.4 million people fell into this category.

Claim: "And today, our younger students have earned the highest math and reading scores on record. Our high school graduation rate has hit an all-time high. And more Americans finish college than ever before."
Reality: According to the OECD, US graduation rates only grew by 7% in 2012, but the OECD average is 11%. 42% of 55-64 year old Americans have a university level education. It is 44% in Canada, 47% in Israel, and quite surprisingly 49% in Russia.

Claim: "We believed that sensible regulations could prevent another crisis"
Reality: Financial regulation has been cut in small pieces throughout 2009-2014: Financial crisis The banking rules that died by a thousand small cuts - Fortune

In fact, Congress recently weakened The Volcker Rule, which aimed to prohibit some forms of risky trading by banks. And now the Republican-controlled House and Senate vow to further roll back the Volcker Rule and other provisions of the Dodd-Frank financial reform.

Claim: "shield families from ruin"
Reality: Millions of Americans would disagree who lost their homes, when Democrats had control and could have stopped it: 1.2 million households lost to recession - Business - Eye on the Economy NBC News

Brown represents one of the more than 1.2 million households lost to the recession, according to a report issued this week by the Mortgage Bankers Association that looked at data between 2005 and 2008. That number doesn’t include information from 2009, when job losses and foreclosures continued to rise.

So it's likely that the full impact of the 8.4 million jobs lost and nearly three million homes foreclosed on since the recession began has taken an even bigger toll on the number of American households.

Claim: "and encourage fair competition"
Reality: Would have to agree partly on this one as consumers seem to believe they are better off, but the net neutrality ruling would have many disagree:
At Last More Consumers Say They Are Better Off Than a Year Ago Than Worse Off - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Claim: "Today, we have new tools to stop taxpayer-funded bailouts"
Reality: The US budget did the reverse, and to think he claimed to be 'against it': Congressional budget welcomes big bank bailouts once more despite White House opposition Business The Guardian

The new budget provision once again acts as a promise that taxpayers will foot the bill for risky trading and speculation, Kelleher said.

“If things go wrong, [the banks] get to run to the Fed for bailouts. That’s incredibly valuable to them,” he said.

The surprise in the budget move is that everyone but banks considered the matter already settled.

The Dodd-Frank rule dictated that banks would have to find new homes for their risk-taking unit to prevent them from taking risks with customer deposits. Even so, mistakes occurred.

Claim: "And in the past year alone, about ten million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."
Reality: Which was still substandard, and none of the major underlying issues with the healthcare system were fixed: Obamacare Good bad and ugly The Economist

But Obamacare tackled only half of the problem. American health care, warns Mr Brill, is still jeopardised by “the broken economics of the marketplace”. Doctors are rewarded for performing useless procedures, while insurers pay for as little as possible, and hospitals gouge those without coverage. The author has his own plan for reform that involves encouraging the country’s big health systems to expand and offer their own insurance. This, he writes, would eliminate the incentive for doctors and hospitals to run up costs (as they would be on the hook for them) and cut out the insurance-company middleman that wants to skimp on care.

Just the first two I found interesting so I'll quote them.

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999 and in your "reality" it mentions nothing about the pace of job creation HUH?

laim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

Our combat mission is over. In your "reality" it doesnt address the combat mission at all....?

It kinda goes on like that. I say I like Pie and your reality says "But you had cake once"

Because if you are creating millions of low paid part-time jobs, they might be 'jobs' but they are not a replacement for the high paid jobs lost in the recession.

By your logic if 11 million jobs were created cleaning toilets it is 'progress', even though half of that number might have been teachers, stock traders, computer programmers, and so on. Making more wage slaves is nothing to celebrate.

It isn't 'over' in Afghanistan, just like Iraq isn't 'over'. Combat operations are still happening, as well as training Afghans/Iraqis, and sorry but 15,000 troops does not equal zero, nor does 9000.

I agree and if Obama said that the jobs created were good replacements for high paying jobs you'd have a point. But he didnt.

I dontn know about the combat operations part..Links would be helpful showing that his statement was wrong but responding about "financial obligations" isnt addressing "combat operations"

Yet the jobs you claim he created and used to tout a lower unemployment rate are shitty jobs? Not something to be proud of if he's going to use that to claim he's done something. In other words, he's saying I created these jobs although they provide shitty pay so give me credit for creating a turd.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Cut out the parts of the speech I found were repetitive:

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

But a drop in average hourly earnings last month, after a healthy gain in November, sidetracked hopes that a tighter labor market was beginning to lead to broader wage gains.

Claim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

State and USAID: The FY 2014 civilian foreign assistance request of nearly $2.2 billion for Afghanistan

Claim: "Today, fewer than 15,000 remain"
Reality: Which is still boots on the ground. And keep in mind that the administration puts people in 'support roles' or training Afghan forces, which it doesn't count as boots on the ground.

Claim: "At this moment – with a growing economy"
Reality: Don't mention the middle class is not getting any richer: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...le-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html

“The idea that the median American has so much more income than the middle class in all other parts of the world is not true these days,” said Lawrence Katz, a Harvard economist who is not associated with LIS. “In 1960, we were massively richer than anyone else. In 1980, we were richer. In the 1990s, we were still richer.” That is no longer the case, Professor Katz added.

Median per capita income was $18,700 in the United States in 2010 (which translates to about $75,000 for a family of four after taxes), up 20 percent since 1980 but virtually unchanged since 2000, after adjusting for inflation. The same measure, by comparison, rose about 20 percent in Britain between 2000 and 2010 and 14 percent in the Netherlands. Median income also rose 20 percent in Canada between 2000 and 2010, to the equivalent of $18,700.

Claim: "shrinking deficits"
Reality: Only for 2015 (-469), and it is expected to increase in 2016 (-556) onwards. So clearly a misrepresentation: An Update to the Budget and Economic Outlook 2014 to 2024 Congressional Budget Office

Claim: "We believed we could reverse the tide of outsourcing"
Reality: It hasn't reversed: 2 000 jobs threatened as United mulls outsourcing at 28 U.S. airports - Fortune

United Airlines is assessing whether to outsource jobs at airports around the country in a cost-cutting effort that could affect some 2,000 workers.

Claim: "and draw new jobs to our shores."
Reality: Jobs that pay less than before the recession: Report New Jobs in U.S. Offer Lower Wages Than Before Recession - Businessweek

The recovery has been disappointing from the perspective of pay. From early 2010 through mid-2014, while the economy gained a little more than 9 million jobs, the fastest growth came in the low-paying accommodation and food sector; this year the average annual wages in the sector are just under $21,000.

Claim: "And over the past five years, our businesses have created more than 11 million new jobs."
Reality: Which are only part-time, and can barely pay the bills: More Americans are stuck in part-time work - The Washington Post

But the spike in part-time work since the recession has been largely involuntary. These workers may have had their hours cut or are unable to find full-time jobs, earning them the official designation of “part-time for economic reasons.” In June, their ranks swelled by 275,000 to 7.5 million. In 2007, 4.4 million people fell into this category.

Claim: "And today, our younger students have earned the highest math and reading scores on record. Our high school graduation rate has hit an all-time high. And more Americans finish college than ever before."
Reality: According to the OECD, US graduation rates only grew by 7% in 2012, but the OECD average is 11%. 42% of 55-64 year old Americans have a university level education. It is 44% in Canada, 47% in Israel, and quite surprisingly 49% in Russia.

Claim: "We believed that sensible regulations could prevent another crisis"
Reality: Financial regulation has been cut in small pieces throughout 2009-2014: Financial crisis The banking rules that died by a thousand small cuts - Fortune

In fact, Congress recently weakened The Volcker Rule, which aimed to prohibit some forms of risky trading by banks. And now the Republican-controlled House and Senate vow to further roll back the Volcker Rule and other provisions of the Dodd-Frank financial reform.

Claim: "shield families from ruin"
Reality: Millions of Americans would disagree who lost their homes, when Democrats had control and could have stopped it: 1.2 million households lost to recession - Business - Eye on the Economy NBC News

Brown represents one of the more than 1.2 million households lost to the recession, according to a report issued this week by the Mortgage Bankers Association that looked at data between 2005 and 2008. That number doesn’t include information from 2009, when job losses and foreclosures continued to rise.

So it's likely that the full impact of the 8.4 million jobs lost and nearly three million homes foreclosed on since the recession began has taken an even bigger toll on the number of American households.

Claim: "and encourage fair competition"
Reality: Would have to agree partly on this one as consumers seem to believe they are better off, but the net neutrality ruling would have many disagree:
At Last More Consumers Say They Are Better Off Than a Year Ago Than Worse Off - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Claim: "Today, we have new tools to stop taxpayer-funded bailouts"
Reality: The US budget did the reverse, and to think he claimed to be 'against it': Congressional budget welcomes big bank bailouts once more despite White House opposition Business The Guardian

The new budget provision once again acts as a promise that taxpayers will foot the bill for risky trading and speculation, Kelleher said.

“If things go wrong, [the banks] get to run to the Fed for bailouts. That’s incredibly valuable to them,” he said.

The surprise in the budget move is that everyone but banks considered the matter already settled.

The Dodd-Frank rule dictated that banks would have to find new homes for their risk-taking unit to prevent them from taking risks with customer deposits. Even so, mistakes occurred.

Claim: "And in the past year alone, about ten million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."
Reality: Which was still substandard, and none of the major underlying issues with the healthcare system were fixed: Obamacare Good bad and ugly The Economist

But Obamacare tackled only half of the problem. American health care, warns Mr Brill, is still jeopardised by “the broken economics of the marketplace”. Doctors are rewarded for performing useless procedures, while insurers pay for as little as possible, and hospitals gouge those without coverage. The author has his own plan for reform that involves encouraging the country’s big health systems to expand and offer their own insurance. This, he writes, would eliminate the incentive for doctors and hospitals to run up costs (as they would be on the hook for them) and cut out the insurance-company middleman that wants to skimp on care.

Just the first two I found interesting so I'll quote them.

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999 and in your "reality" it mentions nothing about the pace of job creation HUH?

laim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

Our combat mission is over. In your "reality" it doesnt address the combat mission at all....?

It kinda goes on like that. I say I like Pie and your reality says "But you had cake once"

Because if you are creating millions of low paid part-time jobs, they might be 'jobs' but they are not a replacement for the high paid jobs lost in the recession.

By your logic if 11 million jobs were created cleaning toilets it is 'progress', even though half of that number might have been teachers, stock traders, computer programmers, and so on. Making more wage slaves is nothing to celebrate.

It isn't 'over' in Afghanistan, just like Iraq isn't 'over'. Combat operations are still happening, as well as training Afghans/Iraqis, and sorry but 15,000 troops does not equal zero, nor does 9000.

I agree and if Obama said that the jobs created were good replacements for high paying jobs you'd have a point. But he didnt.

I dontn know about the combat operations part..Links would be helpful showing that his statement was wrong but responding about "financial obligations" isnt addressing "combat operations"

Yet the jobs you claim he created and used to tout a lower unemployment rate are shitty jobs?

I said the unemployment was low...You'll have to find the person who said Obama created jobs.

Not something to be proud of if he's going to use that to claim he's done something. In other words, he's saying I created these jobs although they provide shitty pay so give me credit for creating a turd.

He said he created....nevermind dude, you're trying to pretzel your way to a point

 

[jasonnfree]

He's been trying to work with them for six years. The election was only overwhelming if you don't consider the tiny number of people who voted. Not many more than you would expect in an election for Homecoming Queen.

Yeah, obama is trying to work with Republicans until they agree with him. And he won the non-votes.


LOL

An example of Obama refusing to work with the right? There is a difference between trying to work with them and caving to their every demand.

Obama showed us his rapport with the opposition is nonexistent.

What did Bush do when Democrats cheered when he said privatization of Social Security failed? Did he

And, in response, republicans have vowed to block the dems at every turn.
Just saying it has been tit for tat.
Repubs got the brunt of it for the last few years. Now it's the Dems' turn to see shit ran past them.
I hope The Obama uses veto power, just to see it go back and pass anyway

Democrats have been specializing in proposals that a sane person would reject and then finding a way of making the GOP look bad in rejecting it. Immigration is a prime example.

So he asked for a solution from GOP. Got nothing.

He then went a did something a majority of Americans support.

Looks radical, but I suppose doing things people want is radical to the hard right.

The only thing he asks from the GOP is to kiss his ass.

I didn't watch the speech but if Obama really told that to the GOP, good for him since they've obstructed him for over six years.

Obama and cooperation with congress is a Non-starter. Impossible when he insults them every day in his speeches.

Obama's cooperation or lack of it, is right wing opinion you post. Here's some facts about republicans conspiring against Obama with links. The first link is about republicans conspiring with private citizens against Obama before he took office. These are taxpayer funded politicians that took an oath to serve their country, not to serve billionaire funded, right wing think tanks. Second link is Mitch McConneli driving home the point of republican opposition to Obama being their number one priority. Third link is about the majority of republican politicians who supposedly work for the taxpayers, and took an oath of office. After taking the oath of office, they then signed an oath to a private citizen running a right wing think tank. The unshaven little butterball in the picture is Grover Norquist. The oath republicans took for this little prick was to not raise taxes. They actually signed a pledge to him. Imagine if democrats did something like this? I'm not surprised you right wing megaposters don't know this stuff but here's an opportunity to learn something you'll never get from Limbaugh or Fox.

Democrats Duped by the Caucus Room Conspiracy
conspiracy

Mitch McConnell vowed to make Obama a one-term president now shocked that Obama portrays him as villain The New Republic

The Pledge Grover Norquist s hold on the GOP - CBS News

 

[hortysir]

Cut out the parts of the speech I found were repetitive:

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

But a drop in average hourly earnings last month, after a healthy gain in November, sidetracked hopes that a tighter labor market was beginning to lead to broader wage gains.

Claim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

State and USAID: The FY 2014 civilian foreign assistance request of nearly $2.2 billion for Afghanistan

Claim: "Today, fewer than 15,000 remain"
Reality: Which is still boots on the ground. And keep in mind that the administration puts people in 'support roles' or training Afghan forces, which it doesn't count as boots on the ground.

Claim: "At this moment – with a growing economy"
Reality: Don't mention the middle class is not getting any richer: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...le-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html

“The idea that the median American has so much more income than the middle class in all other parts of the world is not true these days,” said Lawrence Katz, a Harvard economist who is not associated with LIS. “In 1960, we were massively richer than anyone else. In 1980, we were richer. In the 1990s, we were still richer.” That is no longer the case, Professor Katz added.

Median per capita income was $18,700 in the United States in 2010 (which translates to about $75,000 for a family of four after taxes), up 20 percent since 1980 but virtually unchanged since 2000, after adjusting for inflation. The same measure, by comparison, rose about 20 percent in Britain between 2000 and 2010 and 14 percent in the Netherlands. Median income also rose 20 percent in Canada between 2000 and 2010, to the equivalent of $18,700.

Claim: "shrinking deficits"
Reality: Only for 2015 (-469), and it is expected to increase in 2016 (-556) onwards. So clearly a misrepresentation: An Update to the Budget and Economic Outlook 2014 to 2024 Congressional Budget Office

Claim: "We believed we could reverse the tide of outsourcing"
Reality: It hasn't reversed: 2 000 jobs threatened as United mulls outsourcing at 28 U.S. airports - Fortune

United Airlines is assessing whether to outsource jobs at airports around the country in a cost-cutting effort that could affect some 2,000 workers.

Claim: "and draw new jobs to our shores."
Reality: Jobs that pay less than before the recession: Report New Jobs in U.S. Offer Lower Wages Than Before Recession - Businessweek

The recovery has been disappointing from the perspective of pay. From early 2010 through mid-2014, while the economy gained a little more than 9 million jobs, the fastest growth came in the low-paying accommodation and food sector; this year the average annual wages in the sector are just under $21,000.

Claim: "And over the past five years, our businesses have created more than 11 million new jobs."
Reality: Which are only part-time, and can barely pay the bills: More Americans are stuck in part-time work - The Washington Post

But the spike in part-time work since the recession has been largely involuntary. These workers may have had their hours cut or are unable to find full-time jobs, earning them the official designation of “part-time for economic reasons.” In June, their ranks swelled by 275,000 to 7.5 million. In 2007, 4.4 million people fell into this category.

Claim: "And today, our younger students have earned the highest math and reading scores on record. Our high school graduation rate has hit an all-time high. And more Americans finish college than ever before."
Reality: According to the OECD, US graduation rates only grew by 7% in 2012, but the OECD average is 11%. 42% of 55-64 year old Americans have a university level education. It is 44% in Canada, 47% in Israel, and quite surprisingly 49% in Russia.

Claim: "We believed that sensible regulations could prevent another crisis"
Reality: Financial regulation has been cut in small pieces throughout 2009-2014: Financial crisis The banking rules that died by a thousand small cuts - Fortune

In fact, Congress recently weakened The Volcker Rule, which aimed to prohibit some forms of risky trading by banks. And now the Republican-controlled House and Senate vow to further roll back the Volcker Rule and other provisions of the Dodd-Frank financial reform.

Claim: "shield families from ruin"
Reality: Millions of Americans would disagree who lost their homes, when Democrats had control and could have stopped it: 1.2 million households lost to recession - Business - Eye on the Economy NBC News

Brown represents one of the more than 1.2 million households lost to the recession, according to a report issued this week by the Mortgage Bankers Association that looked at data between 2005 and 2008. That number doesn’t include information from 2009, when job losses and foreclosures continued to rise.

So it's likely that the full impact of the 8.4 million jobs lost and nearly three million homes foreclosed on since the recession began has taken an even bigger toll on the number of American households.

Claim: "and encourage fair competition"
Reality: Would have to agree partly on this one as consumers seem to believe they are better off, but the net neutrality ruling would have many disagree:
At Last More Consumers Say They Are Better Off Than a Year Ago Than Worse Off - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Claim: "Today, we have new tools to stop taxpayer-funded bailouts"
Reality: The US budget did the reverse, and to think he claimed to be 'against it': Congressional budget welcomes big bank bailouts once more despite White House opposition Business The Guardian

The new budget provision once again acts as a promise that taxpayers will foot the bill for risky trading and speculation, Kelleher said.

“If things go wrong, [the banks] get to run to the Fed for bailouts. That’s incredibly valuable to them,” he said.

The surprise in the budget move is that everyone but banks considered the matter already settled.

The Dodd-Frank rule dictated that banks would have to find new homes for their risk-taking unit to prevent them from taking risks with customer deposits. Even so, mistakes occurred.

Claim: "And in the past year alone, about ten million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."
Reality: Which was still substandard, and none of the major underlying issues with the healthcare system were fixed: Obamacare Good bad and ugly The Economist

But Obamacare tackled only half of the problem. American health care, warns Mr Brill, is still jeopardised by “the broken economics of the marketplace”. Doctors are rewarded for performing useless procedures, while insurers pay for as little as possible, and hospitals gouge those without coverage. The author has his own plan for reform that involves encouraging the country’s big health systems to expand and offer their own insurance. This, he writes, would eliminate the incentive for doctors and hospitals to run up costs (as they would be on the hook for them) and cut out the insurance-company middleman that wants to skimp on care.

Just the first two I found interesting so I'll quote them.

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999 and in your "reality" it mentions nothing about the pace of job creation HUH?

laim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

Our combat mission is over. In your "reality" it doesnt address the combat mission at all....?

It kinda goes on like that. I say I like Pie and your reality says "But you had cake once"

Because if you are creating millions of low paid part-time jobs, they might be 'jobs' but they are not a replacement for the high paid jobs lost in the recession.

By your logic if 11 million jobs were created cleaning toilets it is 'progress', even though half of that number might have been teachers, stock traders, computer programmers, and so on. Making more wage slaves is nothing to celebrate.

It isn't 'over' in Afghanistan, just like Iraq isn't 'over'. Combat operations are still happening, as well as training Afghans/Iraqis, and sorry but 15,000 troops does not equal zero, nor does 9000.

Never mind that we lost 17million jobs just prior so we still have a net loss of 6million

 

[Conservative65]

Cut out the parts of the speech I found were repetitive:

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0
Claim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':
Claim: "Today, fewer than 15,000 remain"
Reality: Which is still boots on the ground. And keep in mind that the administration puts people in 'support roles' or training Afghan forces, which it doesn't count as boots on the ground.

Claim: "At this moment – with a growing economy"
Reality: Don't mention the middle class is not getting any richer: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...le-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html
Claim: "shrinking deficits"
Reality: Only for 2015 (-469), and it is expected to increase in 2016 (-556) onwards. So clearly a misrepresentation: An Update to the Budget and Economic Outlook 2014 to 2024 Congressional Budget Office

Claim: "We believed we could reverse the tide of outsourcing"
Reality: It hasn't reversed: 2 000 jobs threatened as United mulls outsourcing at 28 U.S. airports - Fortune
Claim: "and draw new jobs to our shores."
Reality: Jobs that pay less than before the recession: Report New Jobs in U.S. Offer Lower Wages Than Before Recession - Businessweek
Claim: "And over the past five years, our businesses have created more than 11 million new jobs."
Reality: Which are only part-time, and can barely pay the bills: More Americans are stuck in part-time work - The Washington Post
Claim: "And today, our younger students have earned the highest math and reading scores on record. Our high school graduation rate has hit an all-time high. And more Americans finish college than ever before."
Reality: According to the OECD, US graduation rates only grew by 7% in 2012, but the OECD average is 11%. 42% of 55-64 year old Americans have a university level education. It is 44% in Canada, 47% in Israel, and quite surprisingly 49% in Russia.

Claim: "We believed that sensible regulations could prevent another crisis"
Reality: Financial regulation has been cut in small pieces throughout 2009-2014: Financial crisis The banking rules that died by a thousand small cuts - Fortune
Claim: "shield families from ruin"
Reality: Millions of Americans would disagree who lost their homes, when Democrats had control and could have stopped it: 1.2 million households lost to recession - Business - Eye on the Economy NBC News
Claim: "and encourage fair competition"
Reality: Would have to agree partly on this one as consumers seem to believe they are better off, but the net neutrality ruling would have many disagree:
At Last More Consumers Say They Are Better Off Than a Year Ago Than Worse Off - Real Time Economics - WSJ

Claim: "Today, we have new tools to stop taxpayer-funded bailouts"
Reality: The US budget did the reverse, and to think he claimed to be 'against it': Congressional budget welcomes big bank bailouts once more despite White House opposition Business The Guardian
Claim: "And in the past year alone, about ten million uninsured Americans finally gained the security of health coverage."
Reality: Which was still substandard, and none of the major underlying issues with the healthcare system were fixed: Obamacare Good bad and ugly The Economist

Just the first two I found interesting so I'll quote them.

Claim: "Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our unemployment rate is now lower than it was before the financial crisis."
Reality: Job growth is at the cost of lower wages, meaning that the jobs being created are low-wage jobs that aren't going to fix inequality or poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/business/economy/jobs-unemployment-figures-december.html?_r=0

Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999 and in your "reality" it mentions nothing about the pace of job creation HUH?

laim: "Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."
Reality: The US still has financial obligations to Afghanistan - to the tune of billions of dollars a year, alongside training and whatever else the US decides to fund in Afghanistan. It is hardly 'over':

Our combat mission is over. In your "reality" it doesnt address the combat mission at all....?

It kinda goes on like that. I say I like Pie and your reality says "But you had cake once"

Because if you are creating millions of low paid part-time jobs, they might be 'jobs' but they are not a replacement for the high paid jobs lost in the recession.

By your logic if 11 million jobs were created cleaning toilets it is 'progress', even though half of that number might have been teachers, stock traders, computer programmers, and so on. Making more wage slaves is nothing to celebrate.

It isn't 'over' in Afghanistan, just like Iraq isn't 'over'. Combat operations are still happening, as well as training Afghans/Iraqis, and sorry but 15,000 troops does not equal zero, nor does 9000.

I agree and if Obama said that the jobs created were good replacements for high paying jobs you'd have a point. But he didnt.

I dontn know about the combat operations part..Links would be helpful showing that his statement was wrong but responding about "financial obligations" isnt addressing "combat operations"

Yet the jobs you claim he created and used to tout a lower unemployment rate are shitty jobs?

I said the unemployment was low...You'll have to find the person who said Obama created jobs.

Not something to be proud of if he's going to use that to claim he's done something. In other words, he's saying I created these jobs although they provide shitty pay so give me credit for creating a turd.

He said he created....nevermind dude, you're trying to pretzel your way to a point

Interesting how those who credit Obama with lowering the unemployment rate says job creation didn't do it when you point out the jobs being used to give that credit are shitty.

 

[hortysir]

Oops....a nutter thought.

11million jobs doesn't necessarily mean 11million people.
Some are working 2 or 3 jobs since hours got cut

 

[hipeter924]

Oops....a nutter thought.

11million jobs doesn't necessarily mean 11million people.
Some are working 2 or 3 jobs since hours got cut

Yep, most of the jobs are part-time, and many of those with those part-time jobs can't find full-time jobs, so they have to work multiple part-time jobs just to pay the bills.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Obama says "I ate the cookie" and the critics say "Cookies are delicious

Oops....a nutter thought.

11million jobs doesn't necessarily mean 11million people.
Some are working 2 or 3 jobs since hours got cut

Yep, most of the jobs are part-time, and many of those with those part-time jobs can't find full-time jobs, so they have to work multiple part-time jobs just to pay the bills.

and the GOP keeps fighting pay increases..which leads to low paying employment that the GOP complains about which leads to food stamps that is also a topic the GOP complains about.

Its like fighting for loose match storage then complaining about finding kids with matches and fires

 

[hipeter924]

Just the first two I found interesting so I'll quote them.

Our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999 and in your "reality" it mentions nothing about the pace of job creation HUH?

Our combat mission is over. In your "reality" it doesnt address the combat mission at all....?

It kinda goes on like that. I say I like Pie and your reality says "But you had cake once"

Because if you are creating millions of low paid part-time jobs, they might be 'jobs' but they are not a replacement for the high paid jobs lost in the recession.

By your logic if 11 million jobs were created cleaning toilets it is 'progress', even though half of that number might have been teachers, stock traders, computer programmers, and so on. Making more wage slaves is nothing to celebrate.

It isn't 'over' in Afghanistan, just like Iraq isn't 'over'. Combat operations are still happening, as well as training Afghans/Iraqis, and sorry but 15,000 troops does not equal zero, nor does 9000.

I agree and if Obama said that the jobs created were good replacements for high paying jobs you'd have a point. But he didnt.

I dontn know about the combat operations part..Links would be helpful showing that his statement was wrong but responding about "financial obligations" isnt addressing "combat operations"

Yet the jobs you claim he created and used to tout a lower unemployment rate are shitty jobs?

I said the unemployment was low...You'll have to find the person who said Obama created jobs.

Not something to be proud of if he's going to use that to claim he's done something. In other words, he's saying I created these jobs although they provide shitty pay so give me credit for creating a turd.

He said he created....nevermind dude, you're trying to pretzel your way to a point

Interesting how those who credit Obama with lowering the unemployment rate says job creation didn't do it when you point out the jobs being used to give that credit are shitty.

Yep, if Obama was a used car salesman, he would be selling cars that blow up before they reach a gas station. But he would claim he sold x cars, so therefore he sold 'good cars'.

 

[OKTexas]

To answer your question, read the link.

FACT CHECK Obama claims credit for an incomplete recovery

Love your article. Starts off with "Seven Years After the Downturn Began".

Obama has only been president 6.

Talk to the liberal AP, they wrote it.

 

[hipeter924]

Obama says "I ate the cookie" and the critics say "Cookies are delicious

Oops....a nutter thought.

11million jobs doesn't necessarily mean 11million people.
Some are working 2 or 3 jobs since hours got cut

Yep, most of the jobs are part-time, and many of those with those part-time jobs can't find full-time jobs, so they have to work multiple part-time jobs just to pay the bills.

and the GOP keeps fighting pay increases..which leads to low paying employment that the GOP complains about which leads to food stamps that is also a topic the GOP complains about.

Its like fighting for loose match storage then complaining about finding kids with matches and fires

Yet many of his critics are Democrats, unions and progressives. So your point?

 

[Siete]

hyper partisan rhetoric abounds ..

I'll come closer to believing this than I would a handful of idiots an a message board ..

FactChecking Obama 8217 s State of the Union

 

[BULLDOG]

Obama's speech:

free stuff

free stuff

me, me

Free stuff,

me, me

love the Muslims

free stuff

global warming

free stuff

I'm sure that is exactly what you heard. The only problem with that, is that it was the voices in your head you heard instead of our president's great speech.

You have Moon Bat ears so you heard that if we just give communism one more chance it will work this time.

Wrong again. When did the right wing start thinking they could make something true just by saying it?

You mean like Obama saying that the war on terror is over and the terrorists are on the run or that our economy is improving due to his policies or that the earth is burning up due to AWG when none of the facts support any of that bullshit?

Voting for Obama was probably the dumbest thing you have ever done in your life. Just admit and then promise to pull you head out of your ass and all will be forgiven.

It was one of the smartest things I have ever done, even though it was easy to make the choice. A statesman who works tirelessly for the country or a corporate raider with a dancing horse.........no, it wasn't a hard choice.

 

[Flash]

It was one of the smartest things I have ever done, even though it was easy to make the choice. A statesman who works tirelessly for the country or a corporate raider with a dancing horse.........no, it wasn't a hard choice.

It was really smart voting for Hussein Obama who ran up the debt $8 trillion dollars, lied to America about subsidized health insurance, screwed up the economy, increased the welfare rolls, refused to seal the border, raised taxes, increased poverty, decreased family income, and pretty much lost the respect of the world due to a weak foreign policy.

You are a real genius, aren't you?

 

[rdean]

Bullshit. Democrats have refused to work with Republicans since 2000. They have been like an enemy among us doing everything they can to bring this country down in reality and in the eyes of the world. The latest example was Sen Dianne Feinstein badmouthing our intelligence agencies. There was no call for that. If anything, that stuff needs to be handled behind closed doors, not blasted to the whole planet.

Republicans had a meeting on inauguration day and decided there would be no cooperation, and since when did a republican have a problem with publicly pointing out anything? Hell, they make stuff up to point out all the time..............Remember BENGHAZIBENGHAZIBENGHAZI?

And The Obama just stood in front of our nation and promised to veto any and everything that didn't fit his wealth 're-distribution plans

If that were true, which it is not, that still wouldn't justify the GOP refusing to work with him on anything for six years.

Scroll back.
Not justifying either side.
Theve both been obstructive

When Democrats propose destructive policies obstruction is the only logical recourse.

Problem is, Obama never wanted cooperation. Having to go thru the constitutional process is too difficult. His way is to bribe and threaten, the Chicago way.

Examples?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Almost every time he opened his mouth in the 2011 State of the Union Address, he was lying. How about this year?

Would you like to clarify that or continue to blow pixelated methane?

List them or just STFU.