How many deaths are necessary before something should be banned?

[M14 Shooter]

I believe, anyone with some understanding towards firearms and the 2nd A towards a required Militia - knows this.
"Military"flintlock hand-weapons were also stored in the armory, since not everyone's private "firearm" was suitable for a war, aka for a Militia.
Only Rambo wannabe, gun-weirdos, additionally plagued with conspiracy illness - live in denial.

Your "personal" interpretation towards something that isn't mentioned in the 2nd A.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It DOES however mention the militia and in the body of the Constitution (Article II Section 8) it describes that militia and its uses… one of which is put DOWN insurrections

M'kay.
And?

 

[M14 Shooter]

So much for the gun wackos fantasy, "to defend against an own oppressive government"

Who fought the oppressive government at Lexington and Concorde?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Try this again with supporting documentation and evidence.

The narrative: 30,000 people die due to guns, guns should be banned.
Drunk Driving kills 13,000. Does that number have to get to 30,000 before we ban alcohol again?

Drunk Driving | NHTSA.

What about 2nd hand tobacco smoke. According to the CDC, 2nd hand tobacco smoke deaths is estimated at 41,000 deaths. Where is the political and social outcry to ban tobacco.

Tobacco-Related Mortality

See the data and statistical information on tobacco-related mortality rates regarding smoking and tobacco use

www.cdc.gov

How about deadly experimental drugs

 

[Lesh]

Who fought the oppressive government at Lexington and Concorde?

The militia.

Which we no longer have

 

[M14 Shooter]

That's exactly as to what I had stated you dolt.
Right - and who is TODAY'S, US MILITIA??? it doesn't exist - it's called National Guard

Federal law disagrees.
10 USC 311: Militia, composition and classes.
So does that of several states.

The 2nd A - only applies towards an armed citizenry that is registered and trained,

The USSC, and the text of the amendment, says otherwise.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The militia.

Thus, his contention, demonstrated false.

Which we no longer have

See: Post # 607

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

No one wants to ban guns. We want background checks and common sense regulations. Same as we do for cars.

Still telling that lie?...lol

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

That's exactly as to what I had stated you dolt.

Right - and who is TODAY'S, US MILITIA??? it doesn't exist - it's called National Guard
As such in your own conviction towards your above statement - non-Militia members do not have an "right" to bear arms. - not even to mention Ammo.

The 2nd A - only applies towards an armed citizenry that is registered and trained, and thus can be delegated towards serving in a Militia in the event of a war. E.g. the British-US war of 1812-15 - with an exception; the Militia was formed via MARTIAL LAW in New-Orleans - by Jackson. Thus commanding every legible man (trained or untrained with or without arms) to join the Militia.

And as I had stated numerous times - nobody cared about some Frontier Jim in 1783 - shooting wildlife and Injuins.

If you want to remain in a 18th century frontier world - then go and look for one.

As for your Minutemen - they existed before the 2nd A came in.

Minuteman, in U.S. history, an American Revolution militiaman who agreed to be ready for military duty “at a minute’s warning.”
A militiamen - not some runaround, untrained crackpot gunslinger colonialist.

The first minutemen were organized in Worcester county, Massachusetts, in September 1774, when revolutionary leaders sought to eliminate Tories from the old militia by requiring the resignation of all officers and reconstituting the men into seven regiments with new officers.

On July 18, 1775, the Continental Congress recommended that other colonies organize units of minutemen; Maryland, New Hampshire, and Connecticut are known to have complied.

And the 2nd A was written in 1790 and ratified in 1791. Clearly and undeniably - only in regards to a Militia and as such only to Militia members.

Irrelevant. The right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with being a member of the militia.

 

[BackAgain]

… and how many times must the cannon balls fly
before they’re forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.
The answer is blowing in the wind.
​

Bob D.

​

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yes, but they were given by the British. They still belonged to the British.

No they weren't. They were bought and paid for by the users. The British didn't give away cannon to anyone. The Royal Artillery was one of the British Army's trump cards to control restive rulers in its colonies. Anyone who could cast a bell could cast a smooth bore cannon.

 

[AZrailwhale]

That's exactly as to what I had stated you dolt.

Right - and who is TODAY'S, US MILITIA??? it doesn't exist - it's called National Guard
As such in your own conviction towards your above statement - non-Militia members do not have an "right" to bear arms. - not even to mention Ammo.

The 2nd A - only applies towards an armed citizenry that is registered and trained, and thus can be delegated towards serving in a Militia in the event of a war. E.g. the British-US war of 1812-15 - with an exception; the Militia was formed via MARTIAL LAW in New-Orleans - by Jackson. Thus commanding every legible man (trained or untrained with or without arms) to join the Militia.

And as I had stated numerous times - nobody cared about some Frontier Jim in 1783 - shooting wildlife and Injuins.

If you want to remain in a 18th century frontier world - then go and look for one.

As for your Minutemen - they existed before the 2nd A came in.

Minuteman, in U.S. history, an American Revolution militiaman who agreed to be ready for military duty “at a minute’s warning.”
A militiamen - not some runaround, untrained crackpot gunslinger colonialist.

The first minutemen were organized in Worcester county, Massachusetts, in September 1774, when revolutionary leaders sought to eliminate Tories from the old militia by requiring the resignation of all officers and reconstituting the men into seven regiments with new officers.

On July 18, 1775, the Continental Congress recommended that other colonies organize units of minutemen; Maryland, New Hampshire, and Connecticut are known to have complied.

And the 2nd A was written in 1790 and ratified in 1791. Clearly and undeniably - only in regards to a Militia and as such only to Militia members.

You are an ignorant idiot. The various militias were PRIVATE organizations controlled and funded by their members. They were basically untrained, that's why they almost always came up second best against British Regulars in the early part of the Revolution and War of 1812. They could shoot but weren't trained in battlefield maneuvers or disciplined standing up to volley fire from opponents. If you would get off your fat ass and read the contemporary writings of the founders, they make it clear IN WRITING that every adult male between (I believe) 17 and 45 were automatically members of the militia. The National Guard has nothing to do with the militias and are specifically excluded from militia status by the laws.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The National Guard has nothing to do with the militias and are specifically excluded from militia status by the laws.

Congress created the NG under its power to raise and support armies, not the power to organize the militia.
This, alone, dispels any and every myth to that effect.

 

[skye]

Don’t our children deserve to go to school and not worry a nuts gonna shot them?

 

[Lesh]

You are an ignorant idiot. The various militias were PRIVATE organizations controlled and funded by their members. They were basically untrained, that's why they almost always came up second best against British Regulars in the early part of the Revolution and War of 1812. They could shoot but weren't trained in battlefield maneuvers or disciplined standing up to volley fire from opponents. If you would get off your fat ass and read the contemporary writings of the founders, they make it clear IN WRITING that every adult male between (I believe) 17 and 45 were automatically members of the militia. The National Guard has nothing to do with the militias and are specifically excluded from militia status by the laws.

There is some dispute over whether an “unorganized militia” still exists but if it did it would only protect gun rights for males between 17 and 45… which is why gun nutters want to ignore that clause in the 2A

 

[M14 Shooter]

There is some dispute over whether an “unorganized militia” still exists but if it did it would only protect gun rights for males between 17 and 45… which is why gun nutters want to ignore that clause in the 2A

Still lying to yourself, eh?

 

[skye]

 

[2aguy]

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It os also why the democrats cant send their brownshirts, blm and antifa....and now their hamas supporters......into the suburbs to burn, loot and kill.

The democrat brown shirts, blm, and antifa were able to burn, loot and kill in democrat party controlled cities because they have extreme gun control.....just what the democrats want

 

[Cellblock2429]

It really is funny they want to ignore the entire part about well regulated militia.

/——-/ Hey gun grabber, no one ignores it. A town in Michigan just formed a “well regulated militia” Go stew on that.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You mean the one most responsible for mass death incidents?

In 2023, 6 AR15s were used in 6 of the 650 mass shootings, to kill 42 people