How long until the Climate Cult re-appears, now that there's hot weather?

[ding]

We already went through this answer and its numerous failings.

The heat the earth receives from the the sun is remarkably constant with respect to similar stars. So what's coming in is pretty constant whether the planet is in an interglacial period like today or a glacial period yet the planet's mean temperature changes quite drastically. The reason it changes quite drastically is that glacial periods are triggered by a disruption of heat from the Atlantic to the Arctic which triggers glaciation in the Arctic. This glaciation increases albedo which serves as a negative feedback amplifying the initial cooling such that it eventually affects the climate of the entire planet. Eventually though, heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic is eventually restored starting the long process of thawing and warming up. The sun during all of this continued to crank out what it always cranks out. This means that absent a change in how the ocean distributes that heat the earth would naturally continue warming even more than it has in any interglacial period before it. The native state of the planet's current landmass distribution and resulting ocean currents is warmer than it has been at any point since the planet became bipolar glaciated but ocean currents are constantly seeking not only equilibrium in temperature but in density as well. As such changes in ocean currents will continue to happen as a result of uneven warming. But you're a political hack and don't give two shits about the science.

 

[otto105]

The heat the earth receives from the the sun is remarkably constant with respect to similar stars. So what's coming in is pretty constant whether the planet is in an interglacial period like today or a glacial period yet the planet's mean temperature changes quite drastically. The reason it changes quite drastically is that glacial periods are triggered by a disruption of heat from the Atlantic to the Arctic which triggers glaciation in the Arctic. This glaciation increases albedo which serves as a negative feedback amplifying the initial cooling such that it eventually affects the climate of the entire planet. Eventually though, heat circulation from the Atlantic to the Arctic is eventually restored starting the long process of thawing and warming up. The sun during all of this continued to crank out what it always cranks out. This means that absent a change in how the ocean distributes that heat the earth would naturally continue warming even more than it has in any interglacial period before it. The native state of the planet's current landmass distribution and resulting ocean currents is warmer than it has been at any point since the planet became bipolar glaciated but ocean currents are constantly seeking not only equilibrium in temperature but in density as well. As such changes in ocean currents will continue to happen as a result of uneven warming. But you're a political hack and don't give two shits about the science.

Hilariously big fail

 

[ding]

Hilariously big fail

How so?

 

[otto105]

How so?

Dude

You know, stop all the shit.

 

[ding]

Dude

You know, stop all the shit.

You mean you can't explain why you think it was a fail?

 

[otto105]

You mean you can't explain why you think it was a fail?

Fail

 

[ding]

Fail

How so?

 

[otto105]

How so?

Fail

How so?

fail

 

[ding]

Fail

fail

Ignorance is often insolent.

 

[otto105]

Fail

 

[otto105]

Ignorance is often insolent.

Fail

 

[The Duke]

HEAT WAVE is hitting the eastern U.S. and even I'll admit, it's bad this time. My house temperature in the living room is 93 degrees as I type this, and I never remember it that high before.

But, you know what we can do about it?

Answer: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

There's not a solution, not a politician, not a government mandate that's going to control the weather.

Learn to live with hotter temperatures, and a message to the left:

Leave your stinking hands off my freedoms.

Last month, and here's Crick .

 

[The Duke]

We do not have a right to fly on airplanes. We have a right to unrestricted travel across state borders but there is no guarantee that it be by airplane or any other technology.

We have no right to drive a car, much less one with a specified power plant.

We have no right to air conditioning.

No one in government has so much as hinted at taking anything from anyone.

Be all that as it may, the government does possess the authority to regulate air travel, even if those regulations lead to reduced availability. Fortunately for you, no one has even suggested legislation to do any such thing. I'm not saying it won't become an issue someday. Air travel represents a very large portion of the transportation sector GHG emissions and will eventually have to be dealt with. But, we have no right to air travel. It is a convenience for which we pay and since it is a public offering, the government has the authority and legal, ethical and moral responsibility to regulate the industry for the maximum benefit for the maximum number as it sees those things. The same can be said of automobiles.

I'm not sure why deniers so frequently suggest that the government wants to seize their air conditioners. They are certainly great energy hogs and some individuals leaning towards your way of thinking seem to think they're the only thing needed to address global warming. But aside from small amounts of Freon leakage from rapidly disappearing units not yet replaced by those with newer refrigerants, their only drawback is the energy they use. It's not uncommon for symptomatic treatments to worsen underlying causes and that's precisely what you've got here. But, again, we have no right to air conditioning.

You're absolutely Looney Tunes. Pfft!

You need airdropped into some wilderness with the choice either to have or not have a gun.
Lots of natural oxygen out there, bro.

 

[ding]

Why is the planet warming? Because the sun warms the ocean and the ocean stores and distributes that heat and because of decreasing albedo as the NH continues to thaw with only a slight amount (0.22 to 0.50C) from an incremental 120 ppm of atmospheric CO2.

 

[The Duke]

Why is the planet warming? Because the sun warms the ocean and the ocean stores and distributes that heat and because of decreasing albedo as the NH continues to thaw with only a slight amount (0.22 to 0.50C) from an incremental 120 ppm of atmospheric CO2.

MmmmmKK.

Ahh, God bless you, ding. I mean that.

 

[otto105]

Last month, and here's Crick .

Dude, just how is Texas doing with the heat…

 

[Crick]

You're absolutely Looney Tunes. Pfft!

You need airdropped into some wilderness with the choice either to have or not have a gun.
Lots of natural oxygen out there, bro.

You believe you have a Constitutional right to air travel, air conditioners or gasoline-powered cars? Could you point us to the Constitutional text that says such a thing?

 

[CrazyTrader55]

You believe you have a Constitutional right to air travel, air conditioners or gasoline-powered cars? Could you point us to the Constitutional text that says such a thing?

We have a constitutional right to the following:
1. Freedom of movement. You lockdown a-holes did your best in 2020 and 2021 to take that away, however.
2. Freedom from a federal government whose ONLY duties are the ones in the constitution. Other than those, the states shall be the regulators of travel, automobiles, air conditioners, refrigerators, ceiling fans, and so forth. You want to live in California, and the people of CA don't want gasoline powered cars, be my guest. For those of us who live in non-Marixst states.... LEAVE US ALONE. That being said, there's a role for the FAA, I have no problem with that agency because you do need national oversight of air travel.

 

[Crick]

We have a constitutional right to the following:
1. Freedom of movement. You lockdown a-holes did your best in 2020 and 2021 to take that away, however.

I stated that above. Restricting air travel does not violate that right and the government has a long-extablished authority to regulate air travel (the Air Commerce Act of 1926 and the Federal Aviation Act of 1958).

2. Freedom from a federal government whose ONLY duties are the ones in the constitution.

You failed your American Government class, didn't you. The Constitution contains the basic design for our tripartite government, establishes checks and balances between the three branches, defines their various responsibilities and authorities and establishes rights for all persons within our borders that the government may not violate. The Supreme Court, whose primary role is to interpret the document, has validated numerous changes to the authorities and responsibilities of the government to deal with challenges not foreseen by our founding fathers. One obvious example, of course, is regulating air travel.

Other than those, the states shall be the regulators of travel, automobiles, air conditioners, refrigerators, ceiling fans, and so forth. You want to live in California, and the people of CA don't want gasoline powered cars, be my guest. For those of us who live in non-Marixst states.... LEAVE US ALONE. That being said, there's a role for the FAA, I have no problem with that agency because you do need national oversight of air travel.

The federal government includes the Department of Transportation which, among other things, regulates safety wrt interstate travel. National standards for residential appliances and other residential equipment are regulated by the Department of Energy. The coolants used in all US air conditioners and refrigeration systems are regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency.

All manufacturers and vendors desire the ability to market their products in all 50 states and there are many examples of such products being designed to satisfy all state's statutory requirements. Cars have met California pollution requirements for decades because they have historically been the most restrictive and one of the largest segments of the market.

So, whether you like it or not, the federal government has extensive control over these items, the 14th Amendment gives their regulations supremacy over those of the states and the states are left, essentially, with the scraps. Where states vary in their regulatory choices, affected entities will do their best to satisfy them all for simple business purposes. Your fantasy of states having their own little kingdoms ignores the reality of the wants and needs of business and the effect of the 14th Amendment on state's sovereignty.

 

[CrazyTrader55]

I stated that above. Restricting air travel does not violate that right and the government has a long-extablished authority to regulate air travel (the Air Commerce Act of 1926 and the Federal Aviation Act of 1958).

You failed your American Government class, didn't you. The Constitution contains the basic design for our tripartite government, establishes checks and balances between the three branches, defines their various responsibilities and authorities and establishes rights for all persons within our borders that the government may not violate. The Supreme Court, whose primary role is to interpret the document, has validated numerous changes to the authorities and responsibilities of the government to deal with challenges not foreseen by our founding fathers. One obvious example, of course, is regulating air travel.

The federal government includes the Department of Transportation which, among other things, regulates safety wrt interstate travel. National standards for residential appliances and other residential equipment are regulated by the Department of Energy. The coolants used in all US air conditioners and refrigeration systems are regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency.

All manufacturers and vendors desire the ability to market their products in all 50 states and there are many examples of such products being designed to satisfy all state's statutory requirements. Cars have met California pollution requirements for decades because they have historically been the most restrictive and one of the largest segments of the market.

So, whether you like it or not, the federal government has extensive control over these items, the 14th Amendment gives their regulations supremacy over those of the states and the states are left, essentially, with the scraps. Where states vary in their regulatory choices, affected entities will do their best to satisfy them all for simple business purposes. Your fantasy of states having their own little kingdoms ignores the reality of the wants and needs of business and the effect of the 14th Amendment on state's sovereignty.

You can have my keys to my Toyota, and my right to fly wherever in the world I wish to fly...... over my dead body. I'm not giving these things up so you can try to 'fix' the weather.