How is the boycott going?

[Beelzebub]

Fresh impetus for the boycott.
And quite possibly for sanctions too:

"Israel said late Wednesday that it would deny entry to representatives of the U.N. Human Rights Council who are investigating potential war crimes committed during the summer’s 50-day war between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

While widely expected, the decision was likely to trigger fresh international criticism of Israel. The government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is already on the defensive over plans for expanding settlements in the West Bank and a growing Jewish presence in traditionally Arab areas of east Jerusalem, which Palestinians want to be the capital of their future state.

In addition, tensions over a holy site in Jerusalem’s Old City have triggered street riots and played a role in deadly attacks that have left six Israelis dead in the last month."

U.N. human rights investigators denied entry to Israel for Gaza inquiry - LA Times

Certainly, more firms will be looking to divest, as association to Israel's war become more toxic in the civilised world.

 

[RoshanNair]

BDS has become synonymous as a movement for bored college kids to "express themselves":

 

[Beelzebub]

BDS has become synonymous as a movement for bored college kids to "express themselves":

Yeah maybe.
That would be a worry for you of course, as college kids have money and shape tomorrow.

It was college kids that forced the US out of Vietnam wasn't it? (The Tet Offensive, though spectacular was a military failure for the Viet Minh.) And who closed down White South Africa?

Of course the developing world is looking on, to see if this chapter of colonialism can be closed down too, as they have all been victims of similar policies over time.

Its not just China rising now. Its Africa and India too, despite the mischief that tyrants still make.

 

[RoshanNair]

BDS has become synonymous as a movement for bored college kids to "express themselves":

Yeah maybe.
That would be a worry for you of course, as college kids have money and shape tomorrow.

It was college kids that forced the US out of Vietnam wasn't it? (The Tet Offensive, though spectacular was a military failure for the Viet Minh.) And who closed down White South Africa?

Of course the developing world is looking on too, to see if this chapter of colonialism can be closed down too, as they have all been victims of similar policies over time.

Its not just China rising now. Its Africa and India too, despite the mischief that tyrants still make.

Why would it worry me, exactly? I'm one of those college kids who's gonna "shape" tomorrow.

College kids have never effectuated political change when it came to U.S. foreign policy, don't kid yourself with such specious arguments. As for your final point, where exactly are China and India opposing Israel's policies? China's relationship with Israel is steadily growing, and India is the world's most pro-Israel country and Israel's No.1 client for armaments and defense ties. Modi is practically a pseudo-Zionist.

 

[montelatici]

"College kids have never effectuated political change when it came to U.S. foreign policy,"

"University campuses
The anti-Apartheid disinvestment campaign on campuses began on the West coast and Midwest in 1977 at Michigan State University and Stanford University.[5][6] It had some early successes in 1978 at Michigan State University, which voted total divestiture [1],[7] at Columbia University.;[8] and the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Following the Michigan State University divestiture in 1978, in 1982, the State of Michigan Legislature and Governor voted for divestiture by all of the more than 30 State of Michigan colleges and universities, an action later struck down as unconstitutional by the Michigan Court of Appeals in response to a suit against the Act by the University of Michigan [2].

The initial Columbia divestment, focused largely on bonds and financial institutions directly involved with the South African regime.[9] It followed a year long campaign first initiated by students who had worked together to block the appointment of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to an endowed chair at the University in 1977.[10] Broadly backed by a diverse array of student groups and many notable faculty members the Committee Against Investment in South Africa held numerous teach-ins and demonstrations through the year focused on the trustees ties to the corporations doing business with South Africa. Trustee meetings were picketed and interrupted by demonstrations culminating in May 1978 in the takeover of the Graduate School of Business."

Disinvestment from South Africa - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Beelzebub]

BDS has become synonymous as a movement for bored college kids to "express themselves":

Yeah maybe.
That would be a worry for you of course, as college kids have money and shape tomorrow.

It was college kids that forced the US out of Vietnam wasn't it? (The Tet Offensive, though spectacular was a military failure for the Viet Minh.) And who closed down White South Africa?

Of course the developing world is looking on too, to see if this chapter of colonialism can be closed down too, as they have all been victims of similar policies over time.

Its not just China rising now. Its Africa and India too, despite the mischief that tyrants still make.

Why would it worry me, exactly? I'm one of those college kids who's gonna "shape" tomorrow.

College kids have never effectuated political change when it came to U.S. foreign policy, don't kid yourself with such specious arguments. As for your final point, where exactly are China and India opposing Israel's policies? China's relationship with Israel is steadily growing, and India is the world's most pro-Israel country and Israel's No.1 client for armaments and defense ties. Modi is practically a pseudo-Zionist.

Yes, I agree China, India and places in Africa are prepared to work to their own best advantage, without regard to a few million victims anywhere.

Even that is a big switch from the US policy of "Israel First., USA second".
But as you say, it is all those college kids are looking in with hope, principles and a fervour to do the right thing.

When they find their feet they may not be so willing to back a corrupt murderous regime which they opposed in university. I know Chinese students who tell ME of Israel's latest atrocities. They are interested. And disgusted.

 

[RoshanNair]

"College kids have never effectuated political change when it came to U.S. foreign policy,"

"University campuses
The anti-Apartheid disinvestment campaign on campuses began on the West coast and Midwest in 1977 at Michigan State University and Stanford University.[5][6] It had some early successes in 1978 at Michigan State University, which voted total divestiture [1],[7] at Columbia University.;[8] and the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Following the Michigan State University divestiture in 1978, in 1982, the State of Michigan Legislature and Governor voted for divestiture by all of the more than 30 State of Michigan colleges and universities, an action later struck down as unconstitutional by the Michigan Court of Appeals in response to a suit against the Act by the University of Michigan [2].

The initial Columbia divestment, focused largely on bonds and financial institutions directly involved with the South African regime.[9] It followed a year long campaign first initiated by students who had worked together to block the appointment of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to an endowed chair at the University in 1977.[10] Broadly backed by a diverse array of student groups and many notable faculty members the Committee Against Investment in South Africa held numerous teach-ins and demonstrations through the year focused on the trustees ties to the corporations doing business with South Africa. Trustee meetings were picketed and interrupted by demonstrations culminating in May 1978 in the takeover of the Graduate School of Business."

Disinvestment from South Africa - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"The conventional wisdom is that divestment from South Africa was a success; public pressure lowered targeted companies’ stock prices and forced them to comply with the divestment activists’ demands. However, the true impact of divestment from South Africa is unclear. In a 1999 study, Ivo Welch and C. Paul Wazzan examined the impact of divestment from banks and corporations active in South Africa and found that these campaigns had almost no impact on public market valuations:

Despite the prominence and publicity of the boycott and the multitude of divesting companies, the financial markets’ valuations of targeted companies or even the South African financial markets themselves were not easily visibly affected. The sanctions may have been effective in raising the public moral standards or public awareness of South African repression, but it appears that financial markets managed to avoid the brunt of the sanctions."

Does Divestment Work The Institute of Politics at Harvard University

Harvard journal> Wikipedia source.

 

[montelatici]

So, the sanctions had nothing to do with the end of white rule according to you. What happened then to change the minds of the Boers? Was it that they were just nice people?

 

[Grendelyn]

"College kids have never effectuated political change when it came to U.S. foreign policy,"

"University campuses
The anti-Apartheid disinvestment campaign on campuses began on the West coast and Midwest in 1977 at Michigan State University and Stanford University.[5][6] It had some early successes in 1978 at Michigan State University, which voted total divestiture [1],[7] at Columbia University.;[8] and the University of Wisconsin–Madison. Following the Michigan State University divestiture in 1978, in 1982, the State of Michigan Legislature and Governor voted for divestiture by all of the more than 30 State of Michigan colleges and universities, an action later struck down as unconstitutional by the Michigan Court of Appeals in response to a suit against the Act by the University of Michigan [2].

The initial Columbia divestment, focused largely on bonds and financial institutions directly involved with the South African regime.[9] It followed a year long campaign first initiated by students who had worked together to block the appointment of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to an endowed chair at the University in 1977.[10] Broadly backed by a diverse array of student groups and many notable faculty members the Committee Against Investment in South Africa held numerous teach-ins and demonstrations through the year focused on the trustees ties to the corporations doing business with South Africa. Trustee meetings were picketed and interrupted by demonstrations culminating in May 1978 in the takeover of the Graduate School of Business."

Disinvestment from South Africa - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"The conventional wisdom is that divestment from South Africa was a success; public pressure lowered targeted companies’ stock prices and forced them to comply with the divestment activists’ demands. However, the true impact of divestment from South Africa is unclear. In a 1999 study, Ivo Welch and C. Paul Wazzan examined the impact of divestment from banks and corporations active in South Africa and found that these campaigns had almost no impact on public market valuations:

Despite the prominence and publicity of the boycott and the multitude of divesting companies, the financial markets’ valuations of targeted companies or even the South African financial markets themselves were not easily visibly affected. The sanctions may have been effective in raising the public moral standards or public awareness of South African repression, but it appears that financial markets managed to avoid the brunt of the sanctions."

Does Divestment Work The Institute of Politics at Harvard University

Harvard journal> Wikipedia source.

Of course divestment works . . . money, the root of all evil, but occasionally the root of all good ~ Susan

 

[RoshanNair]

So, the sanctions had nothing to do with the end of white rule according to you. What happened then to change the minds of the Boers? Was it that they were just nice people?

Not what I said. The BDS movement as circulated by the student bodies are hyped up as something that they weren't.

 

[Beelzebub]

Of course in South Africa there were all sorts of pressures which contributed to the ending of White Rule.

The anti-Apartheid resistance cost a lot to combat. The loss of economic advantage through the boycott had businesses wanting change to improve their bottom line. The change in international circumstances meant that there was less financial backing for the White South African regime as a NATO proxy.

And the realisation that a privileged few of one 'elite' ethnicity could not continue to buck the massively outnumbering majority that populated the region.

The boycott movement was not the whole story, but it brought home to every corporation that they would've lost maybe a half percentage of business, but that would apply to their global operations. Eventually costing them billions.

Does any of this apply with Israel's racist regime?

 

[Challenger]

So, the sanctions had nothing to do with the end of white rule according to you. What happened then to change the minds of the Boers? Was it that they were just nice people?

Not what I said. The BDS movement as circulated by the student bodies are hyped up as something that they weren't.

Are they? If BDS is so hyped, why is there such a concerted effort to suppress it by the authorities?

 

[aris2chat]

So, the sanctions had nothing to do with the end of white rule according to you. What happened then to change the minds of the Boers? Was it that they were just nice people?

Not what I said. The BDS movement as circulated by the student bodies are hyped up as something that they weren't.

Are they? If BDS is so hyped, why is there such a concerted effort to suppress it by the authorities?

It is a psychological attack that ultimately will only hurt the palestinians by ending jobs at a much higher rate of pay than they will get in palestinians businesses.
It is a way of attempting to smear Israel without understanding the consequences.
As it is the backlash is not only jobs but any hope of getting area C turned over to the PA. It will also end with Israelis arabs acting against the state, and their families, loosing their citizenship.
Keep poking the lion and it will react. Instead of working to bring Israel and palestinians together, all these attacks on Israel will just end up hurting the PA and hopes for a peaceful coexistence.
Get frustrated enough and Israel will just slam the door in the PA face. Then the PA can whine to the world about how Israel is no cooperating. PA are giving them nothing to cooperate with, not unity government that can speak of peace agreements, no security, no recognition, to end to violence, no hand of friendship.
Yes BDS is just so much hype but it is also a distraction from achieving anything positive for both sides. It is just more evidence of anti-Israeli hate that is the fuel burning through the world.

 

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Sodastream seems to be staying ahead of the boycott

 

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Sodastream seems to be staying ahead of the boycott

Well done Sodastream.
It is the flagship of the "The BDS Campaign Matters" fleet.

No spot price is significant, unless compared to what the price would have been without the boycott. Which would, of course be significantly higher.

PS: And thank you Scarlett Johansson, for giving the campaign so much free publicity.

 

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Sodastream seems to be staying ahead of the boycott

Well done Sodastream.
It is the flagship of the "The BDS Campaign Matters" fleet.

No spot price is significant, unless compared to what the price would have been without the boycott. Which would, of course be significantly higher.

PS: And thank you Scarlett Johansson, for giving the campaign so much free publicity.

couple more months and will be out of the WB and those jobs will go to Israelis instead. No more BDS shadows. The trouble makers will have to find a new company to picket and write slurs about. PA will watch the tax money pour into Israel instead.

Without unity government it will be difficult to get foreign investment in the WB

 

[Kondor3]

couple more months and will be out of the WB and those jobs will go to Israelis instead. No more BDS shadows. The trouble makers will have to find a new company to picket and write slurs about. PA will watch the tax money pour into Israel instead. Without unity government it will be difficult to get foreign investment in the WB

Yeppers... one helluva lot of unemployed Palestinians, comin' right up... much more 'help' like that, and they may as well just hang themselves.

 

[teddyearp]

Boycott? What ya talkin' about Willis?

 

[Kondor3]

Boycott? What ya talkin' about Willis?

No... no... no...

"Wha-choo talkin' 'bout, Willis?!!!"

Different phonetic emphasis... get it right...