How is Jesus the Messiah?

[ding]

Basically, ding is another person that came out on the bottom in this thread.
He said Jesus fulfilled two of the 20 or so prophecies. That is all he needs lol. He also said Jews have it wrong because of a time limit God set thousands of years ago.
Damn

I don't recall any time limit in the torah.

and if there were, who says G-d operates by the same measure as we do.

There's not but it has already be fulfilled so that's why you think it has been open for 2400 years.

 

[ding]

Do a search, TN.

I did

So we're all three derogatory phrases not used at the same time.

Do you like to mix and match how you slur the beliefs of others?

You lied. More dishonesty.
Did you get raised like that?

You have referred to God in a post to me as a Sky Daddy.

Nope. Try again. You are confusing me with someone else

It's doubtful.

 

[ding]

Go back a few pages. You must have missed it

Ok, then. If your position is that he did not meet anyone of the prophecies...

He rebuilt the temple in 3 days and he came from the line of David.

I called some out specifically. Besides, 2 out of 20 isnt a good average.

As near as I can tell you don't believe any of them, TN.

Two was all I needed to prove you are wrong.

"Im batting five percent! I win!"

Please keep in mind that he goes to hell if he wavers.

TN doesn't believe in God so how can he believe in heaven and hell?

 

[jillian]

he never rebuilt the temple

and he wasn't of the line of david

Why do you say that? Don't you even know that the Jews trace their lineage through the mother? Such ignorance is inexcusable.

I know how MY lineage is traced. and jeshua was never of the line of david.

your religion does not constitute fact.

Mary, His mother, was of the line of David. That's a fact. And the Temple he referred to was Himself. Not the Jewish Temple. You're ignorance is just unbelievable.

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

by the by, ignorant twit:

According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph. A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.

With regard to your final question, Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ supposed lineage to King David. For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded. As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification. Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone. Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David. Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus. The Book of John contains no infancy narrative.

It should be noted that both Catholic and Protestant traditions hold that whereas Matthew’s genealogy is that of Joseph, Luke’s genealogy is of Mary. Although this tradition is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, it was a necessary doctrine for the Church to adopt.

Mary's Genealogy | Outreach Judaism

There you have. Mary's lineage is in Luke and shows to be from the line of King David. Thanks.

and is irrelevant.... as it states above.

and how many years after Jesus' death did luke write?

70 years?

they made up the whole lineage thing because they wanted to fit the prophesies and Jews weren't buying it. it took Constantine mixing so-called "Christianity" with paganism to turn on the romans and spread it as a "religion".

 

[ding]

Mary, His mother, was of the line of David. That's a fact. And the Temple he referred to was Himself. Not the Jewish Temple. You're ignorance is just unbelievable.

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

TN doesn't believe in yours either.

He's not a big fan of sky daddy fairies.

His words, not mine.

unlike you, I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe what I believe.

*Shrug*

You mean by defending my beliefs from attack?

You are right, you would never do that.

your beliefs are your beliefs. the o/p asked a question. I think it was a legitimate one given that your idea of what happened is false anyway.

perhaps if you weren't trying to shove your beliefs down the rest of our throats, though, people wouldn't challenge those beliefs the same way.

see, I think what you believe is silly... as I pointed out. you can think my beliefs are silly... I don't really care as long as hate doesn't go along with your disbelief. I expect people who aren't hurting anyone else to believe what they want and I expect the same in return. it's really easy.

just saying.

How am I shoving my beliefs down your throat?

 

[PixieStix]

The revelation of Christ is a gift from God. I would hope that many of you would recognize that. But it is foretold that many will not or cannot hear.

 

[TNHarley]

Basically, ding is another person that came out on the bottom in this thread.
He said Jesus fulfilled two of the 20 or so prophecies. That is all he needs lol. He also said Jews have it wrong because of a time limit God set thousands of years ago.
Damn

I don't recall any time limit in the torah.

and if there were, who says G-d operates by the same measure as we do.

There's not but it has already be fulfilled so that's why you think it has been open for 2400 years.

Again, what makes you think it was fulfilled?
Because he fulfilled 2 out of 20?

 

[TNHarley]

I did

So we're all three derogatory phrases not used at the same time.

Do you like to mix and match how you slur the beliefs of others?

You lied. More dishonesty.
Did you get raised like that?

You have referred to God in a post to me as a Sky Daddy.

Nope. Try again. You are confusing me with someone else

It's doubtful.

See? You are still claming on this and i already searched.
You damn satan worshipper

 

[PixieStix]

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

TN doesn't believe in yours either.

He's not a big fan of sky daddy fairies.

His words, not mine.

unlike you, I'm not trying to convince anyone to believe what I believe.

*Shrug*

You mean by defending my beliefs from attack?

You are right, you would never do that.

your beliefs are your beliefs. the o/p asked a question. I think it was a legitimate one given that your idea of what happened is false anyway.

perhaps if you weren't trying to shove your beliefs down the rest of our throats, though, people wouldn't challenge those beliefs the same way.

see, I think what you believe is silly... as I pointed out. you can think my beliefs are silly... I don't really care as long as hate doesn't go along with your disbelief. I expect people who aren't hurting anyone else to believe what they want and I expect the same in return. it's really easy.

just saying.

How am I shoving my beliefs down your throat?

You aren't. You are defending your faith. Christianity must never be defended according to the hateful. In fact it should be condemned. But we both know why this happens.

 

[ding]

Why do you say that? Don't you even know that the Jews trace their lineage through the mother? Such ignorance is inexcusable.

I know how MY lineage is traced. and jeshua was never of the line of david.

your religion does not constitute fact.

Mary, His mother, was of the line of David. That's a fact. And the Temple he referred to was Himself. Not the Jewish Temple. You're ignorance is just unbelievable.

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

by the by, ignorant twit:

According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph. A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.

With regard to your final question, Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ supposed lineage to King David. For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded. As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification. Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone. Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David. Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus. The Book of John contains no infancy narrative.

It should be noted that both Catholic and Protestant traditions hold that whereas Matthew’s genealogy is that of Joseph, Luke’s genealogy is of Mary. Although this tradition is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, it was a necessary doctrine for the Church to adopt.

Mary's Genealogy | Outreach Judaism

There you have. Mary's lineage is in Luke and shows to be from the line of King David. Thanks.

and is irrelevant.... as it states above.

and how many years after Jesus' death did luke write?

70 years?

they made up the whole lineage thing because they wanted to fit the prophesies and Jews weren't buying it. it took Constantine mixing so-called "Christianity" with paganism to turn on the romans and spread it as a "religion".

Luke was written 200 years before Constantine was born.

 

[jillian]

I know how MY lineage is traced. and jeshua was never of the line of david.

your religion does not constitute fact.

Mary, His mother, was of the line of David. That's a fact. And the Temple he referred to was Himself. Not the Jewish Temple. You're ignorance is just unbelievable.

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

by the by, ignorant twit:

According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph. A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.

With regard to your final question, Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ supposed lineage to King David. For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded. As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification. Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone. Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David. Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus. The Book of John contains no infancy narrative.

It should be noted that both Catholic and Protestant traditions hold that whereas Matthew’s genealogy is that of Joseph, Luke’s genealogy is of Mary. Although this tradition is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, it was a necessary doctrine for the Church to adopt.

Mary's Genealogy | Outreach Judaism

There you have. Mary's lineage is in Luke and shows to be from the line of King David. Thanks.

and is irrelevant.... as it states above.

and how many years after Jesus' death did luke write?

70 years?

they made up the whole lineage thing because they wanted to fit the prophesies and Jews weren't buying it. it took Constantine mixing so-called "Christianity" with paganism to turn on the romans and spread it as a "religion".

Luke was written 200 years before Constantine was born.

and then everything was edited by the council of nicea. where is the gospel of mary?

 

[ding]

So we're all three derogatory phrases not used at the same time.

Do you like to mix and match how you slur the beliefs of others?

You lied. More dishonesty.
Did you get raised like that?

You have referred to God in a post to me as a Sky Daddy.

Nope. Try again. You are confusing me with someone else

It's doubtful.

See? You are still claming on this and i already searched.
You damn satan worshipper

You don't believe in Satan or God.

Just the state.

 

[ding]

Mary, His mother, was of the line of David. That's a fact. And the Temple he referred to was Himself. Not the Jewish Temple. You're ignorance is just unbelievable.

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

by the by, ignorant twit:

According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph. A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.

With regard to your final question, Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ supposed lineage to King David. For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded. As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification. Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone. Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David. Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus. The Book of John contains no infancy narrative.

It should be noted that both Catholic and Protestant traditions hold that whereas Matthew’s genealogy is that of Joseph, Luke’s genealogy is of Mary. Although this tradition is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, it was a necessary doctrine for the Church to adopt.

Mary's Genealogy | Outreach Judaism

There you have. Mary's lineage is in Luke and shows to be from the line of King David. Thanks.

and is irrelevant.... as it states above.

and how many years after Jesus' death did luke write?

70 years?

they made up the whole lineage thing because they wanted to fit the prophesies and Jews weren't buying it. it took Constantine mixing so-called "Christianity" with paganism to turn on the romans and spread it as a "religion".

Luke was written 200 years before Constantine was born.

and then everything was edited by the council of nicea. where is the gospel of mary?

Except for copies of the written manuscripts.

 

[Indeependent]

I know how MY lineage is traced. and jeshua was never of the line of david.

your religion does not constitute fact.

Mary, His mother, was of the line of David. That's a fact. And the Temple he referred to was Himself. Not the Jewish Temple. You're ignorance is just unbelievable.

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

by the by, ignorant twit:

According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph. A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.

With regard to your final question, Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ supposed lineage to King David. For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded. As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification. Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone. Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David. Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus. The Book of John contains no infancy narrative.

It should be noted that both Catholic and Protestant traditions hold that whereas Matthew’s genealogy is that of Joseph, Luke’s genealogy is of Mary. Although this tradition is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, it was a necessary doctrine for the Church to adopt.

Mary's Genealogy | Outreach Judaism

There you have. Mary's lineage is in Luke and shows to be from the line of King David. Thanks.

One Gospel got it correct and the other didn’t get the text message.

You got it right when you said one Gospel got it right.

1 out of 2 in Scripture is called a phony prophecy.

 

[Indeependent]

Ok, then. If your position is that he did not meet anyone of the prophecies...

He rebuilt the temple in 3 days and he came from the line of David.

I called some out specifically. Besides, 2 out of 20 isnt a good average.

As near as I can tell you don't believe any of them, TN.

Two was all I needed to prove you are wrong.

"Im batting five percent! I win!"

Please keep in mind that he goes to hell if he wavers.

TN doesn't believe in God so how can he believe in heaven and hell?

The discussion is Prophecy vs what has thus far occurred.
You’re not doing well.

 

[PixieStix]

We can tell people of our faith. We can do things according to our faith. But it is God that reveals the truth to those who are sincerely seeking. If they just troll for the sake of trolling then they will hear nothing.......but their own noise.

 

[ding]

Mary, His mother, was of the line of David. That's a fact. And the Temple he referred to was Himself. Not the Jewish Temple. You're ignorance is just unbelievable.

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

by the by, ignorant twit:

According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph. A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.

With regard to your final question, Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ supposed lineage to King David. For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded. As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification. Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone. Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David. Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus. The Book of John contains no infancy narrative.

It should be noted that both Catholic and Protestant traditions hold that whereas Matthew’s genealogy is that of Joseph, Luke’s genealogy is of Mary. Although this tradition is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, it was a necessary doctrine for the Church to adopt.

Mary's Genealogy | Outreach Judaism

There you have. Mary's lineage is in Luke and shows to be from the line of King David. Thanks.

One Gospel got it correct and the other didn’t get the text message.

You got it right when you said one Gospel got it right.

1 out of 2 in Scripture is called a phony prophecy.

Look. Luke shows the lineage of Mary. Do you have anything which shows her lineage to be something else?

I know it goes against the practice of critical theory to describe what something is rather than what it's not but the right way to do this is show me Mary's lineage.

 

[ding]

I called some out specifically. Besides, 2 out of 20 isnt a good average.

As near as I can tell you don't believe any of them, TN.

Two was all I needed to prove you are wrong.

"Im batting five percent! I win!"

Please keep in mind that he goes to hell if he wavers.

TN doesn't believe in God so how can he believe in heaven and hell?

The discussion is Prophecy vs what has thus far occurred.
You’re not doing well.

According to a Jew and an atheist?

You expected something else?

 

[jillian]

my so-called ignorance? sorry, I don't believe in fake religions and stories made up by Constantine in the council of nicea.

by the by, ignorant twit:

According to Christian teachings, Jesus had only a human Jewish mother, and was not related to Joseph. A human Jewish father, however is essential for anyone to be a legitimate heir to the throne of David, which the real messiah will be.

With regard to your final question, Mary’s genealogy is completely irrelevant to Jesus’ supposed lineage to King David. For good reason, nowhere in the New Testament is Mary’s genealogy recorded. As mentioned above, matrilineal ancestry is irrelevant to tribe identification. Both the first chapter of Matthew and in the third chapter of Luke contain a putative genealogy of Joseph alone. Although these two genealogies completely contradict each other, neither suggests that Mary was a descendant of king of David. Joseph’s genealogy is irrelevant to Jesus because according to two out of four Gospels claim that Joseph was not Jesus’ father. The author of the Book of Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, knows nothing of a virgin birth, and accordingly, begins his book with the baptism of Jesus. The Book of John contains no infancy narrative.

It should be noted that both Catholic and Protestant traditions hold that whereas Matthew’s genealogy is that of Joseph, Luke’s genealogy is of Mary. Although this tradition is nowhere to be found in the New Testament, it was a necessary doctrine for the Church to adopt.

Mary's Genealogy | Outreach Judaism

There you have. Mary's lineage is in Luke and shows to be from the line of King David. Thanks.

One Gospel got it correct and the other didn’t get the text message.

You got it right when you said one Gospel got it right.

1 out of 2 in Scripture is called a phony prophecy.

Look. Luke shows the lineage of Mary. Do you have anything which shows her lineage to be something else?

I know it goes against the practice of critical theory to describe what something is rather than what it's not but the right way to do this is show me Mary's lineage.

and as pointed out, Mary's lineage is irrelevant to tying jesus to king david.

that aside, where is the thousand years of peace that was supposed to come from the coming of the messiah? and near as I can see, the temple isn't rebuilt. in fact, it has a mosque sitting on top of the holy of holies.

where is the lion and the lamb hanging out together?

you have a pretend geneology probably made up by a PR guy for jeshua.

 

[ding]

So which prophecy is next TN?

I have explained how for the first two.