How have we gotten to the point where the left celebrates the worst perversions in our country?

[SeaMajor7]

That's all you can do. In the end all of you elderly Republicans are going to be in an urn in the not-too-distant future and the younger generation is going to socialize and democratize production i.e. adopt socialism. The leftists are going to have the last laugh.

Yuri Bezmenov warned us about YOU!

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

That's all you can do. In the end all of you elderly Republicans are going to be in an urn in the not-too-distant future and the younger generation is going to socialize and democratize production i.e. adopt socialism. The leftists are going to have the last laugh.

Yep. And they will live in poverty and in a violence ridden cartel run narco state.

Who's gonna be "laughing" then?

 

[Red Front]

Yuri Bezmenov warned us about YOU!

Cheap Cold War propaganda.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Cheap Cold War propaganda.

Nope, hard TRUTH with the evidence ALL AROUND YOU!!!!
Now go piss off, I've got to go to work like a good CAPITALIST!!!

 

[Red Front]

Yep. And they will live in poverty and in a violence ridden cartel run narco state.

Who's gonna be "laughing" then?

You're confused, because it's Republican policies that create poverty, by serving the rich at the expense of the poor and working class. Marxists are tough on crime, we will solve the drug problem. If you look at the most secular, leftist countries in the Western, industrialized world, they are the happiest and safest countries. We're going to have that here too, despite how you feel about it.

 

[Red Front]

Nope, hard TRUTH with the evidence ALL AROUND YOU!!!!
Now go piss off, I've got to go to work like a good CAPITALIST!!!

You're not a capitalist unless you're an employer/exploiter of employees/exploitees or at least own a business. If you need to work a job, you're a working-class person, not a capitalist. You're apparently just brainwashed by your capitalist master/s, thinking you're a capitalist. You're just a working-class average Joe, who worships capitalists and their money.

The evidence is that Republicans create poverty and eliminate the family by gutting the working class (destroying labor unions, stripping workers of a living wage and of their jobs).

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

You're confused, because it's Republican policies that create poverty, by serving the rich at the expense of the poor and working class. Marxists are tough on crime, we will solve the drug problem. If you look at the most secular, leftist countries in the Western, industrialized world, they are the happiest and safest countries. We're going to have that here too, despite how you feel about it.

I will admit, we have a real problem here in America.
Free freedom for all has obviously failed.

The biggest problem I see with Marxism is that power becomes centralized into the hands of a very few if not one.
(Usually one, in Marxist countries).

And as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Marxist countries lack protections for individuals, who become disposable pawns and mere labor to support the elite of the society.

In fact, The USA already appears to be leaning Marxist.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

You're not a capitalist unless you're an employer/exploiter of employees/exploitees or at least own a business. If you need to work a job, you're a working-class person, not a capitalist. You're just brainwashed by your capitalist master/s.

The evidence is that Republicans create poverty and eliminate the family by gutting the working class (destroying labor unions, stripping workers of a living wage and of their jobs).

The statement that "Republicans create poverty" is a bit misleading.

Republicans create wealth through capitalism. Capitalism is THE ONLY system that creates wealth in abundance.
That is why China adopted capitalism and rose to the power it has today. before it adopted 'Republican Capitalism" it was an agrarian poverty stricken nation.

It is a fallacy to believe that it is only Republicans who created poverty in America.
The welfare system, championed by democrats has done more to put more people into poverty in my opinion and according to factual evidence.

 

[Red Front]

I will admit, we have a real problem here in America.
Free freedom for all has obviously failed.

The biggest problem I see with Marxism is that power becomes centralized into the hands of a very few if not one.
(Usually one, in Marxist countries).

And as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Marxist countries lack protections for individuals, who become disposable pawns and mere labor to support the elite of the society.

In fact, The USA already appears to be leaning Marxist.

No you're wrong, Marxist economies exist in some of the most egalitarian nations on Earth. The USSR (Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics), was encircled, invaded, and sanctioned, for all of its 70 years of existence. It went through utter hell due to capitalist powers doing everything possible to destroy it. Of course, under such dire conditions, you're going to centralize power. Today in America, we have a bunch of little tyrannies called " private corporations", which most Americans work for. Americans spend most of their waking hours in an absolute tyranny and can hardly get by.

I'm not going to justify the crimes of Marxists, just as you shouldn't justify the crimes of capitalism. However, there is a better way to organize our economy and production. Do you actually believe this is the way to do it? Sure you can point at the errors of the USSR and communist China, but does that imply that we should continue with the current SOP? Perhaps we should consider adopting a little bit of socialism? We can have a more compassionate, democratic capitalism and socialism working together. Eventually, advanced technology will require a complete transition from capitalism to socialism, but at least in the beginning, maybe capitalism and socialism can work together. That's the smart way to do it.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The fundamental failure and insurmountable failure of Marxism is that in it's core, it goes against human nature. It is a profound flaw.

You cannot create an advanced civilization and abundance when the underlying premise is that you will have nothing and any creative abilities you have will be exploited for the good of others, That is unfortunately human nature to want a better situation and comfort and abundance.

Socialism and Marxism go exactly the opposite route, which can never succeed. Marxism is rooted in a Leninist mantra which states "From each according to his ability, To each according to his needs". While a sweet concept, it removes the incentive for humans to want to excel.

While capitalism does in fact have it's flaws, it also is the only system known to humans which results in the advancement of the human race.

while I understand the concept of what you believe Marxism "should" acheive, Your thinking is fundamentally flawed.

 

[Red Front]

The statement that "Republicans create poverty" is a bit misleading.

Republicans create wealth through capitalism. Capitalism is THE ONLY system that creates wealth in abundance.
That is why China adopted capitalism and rose to the power it has today. before it adopted 'Republican Capitalism" it was an agrarian poverty stricken nation.

It is a fallacy to believe that it is only Republicans who created poverty in America.
The welfare system, championed by democrats has done more to put more people into poverty in my opinion and according to factual evidence.

China's error was in not industrializing how the Soviets did under Stalin. Stalin is really the creator of the Soviet Union, turning a poor, illiterate, agrarian country into an industrial juggernaut within twenty years, despite of being invaded by the United States in 1918 and 14 other countries. Despite of being invaded by four million Nazis in the 1940s and losing twenty-eight million Soviet citizens, it remained a superpower, rivaling the United States. To pretend that the Soviets accomplished nothing and that socialism never works, is just ridiculous. The most advanced nations today with populations that in every poll are the happiest and most satisfied have socialist economies.

Putin in the late 90s resurrected Russia's economy by implementing socialist principles and policies.

In America, our golden economic age was in an era when our government policies were the most leftist and socialist. So everything you right-wingers say is wrong and ridiculous.

 

[Red Front]

The fundamental failure and insurmountable failure of Marxism is that in it's core, it goes against human nature. It is a profound flaw.

You cannot create an advanced civilization and abundance when the underlying premise is that you will have nothing and any creative abilities you have will be exploited for the good of others, That is unfortunately human nature to want a better situation and comfort and abundance.

Socialism and Marxism go exactly the opposite route, which can never succeed. Marxism is rooted in a Leninist mantra which states "From each according to his ability, To each according to his needs". While a sweet concept, it removes the incentive for humans to want to excel.

While capitalism does in fact have it's flaws, it also is the only system known to humans which results in the advancement of the human race.

while I understand the concept of what you believe Marxism "should" acheive, Your thinking is fundamentally flawed.

You're just spouting off nonsense. A bunch of cold war lies. Going back and forth with you is a waste of time, I could debunk everything you're saying but is it worth it? If anyone is reading his capitalist tripe and is interested in reading my refutation, let me know. I'm not wasting my time with him. I will do it for those who are actually seeking the truth and interested in economics and history, otherwise, I'm not investing more energy in his posts.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Capitalism, while not perfect, is the only way human civilization can advance.
No other system provides the massive incentives for excellence and achievement.

It is sad that some humans will become ridiculously wealthy while many others will live in poverty under capitalism but that is the price to pay for human advancement especially in the technological arenas.

Marxism portends holds equality as it's core value, yet in reality that never occurs since political corruption causes those who better serve those in power tend to get more government handouts. Yes, corruption takes root even in Marxist states.

The idea that all humans can be "equal" is a wonderful ideal, but an impossible one at the same time.
The truth is that some humans were born more intelligent, faster, stronger, taller etc than others. It's just nature. we cannot change that.

In order for the human race to advance as a whole, some will be wealthy beyond imagination while others will have nothing.
any other way means the human race will stagnate and cease advancement.

Russia is a mess and fails at nearly everything.
China has risen only because of theft of American secrets and the adaptation of western capitalism into their Marxist system.

 

[Red Front]

Capitalism, while not perfect, is the only way human civilization can advance.
No other system provides the massive incentives for excellence and achievement.

It is sad that some humans will become ridiculously wealthy while many others will live in poverty under capitalism but that is the price to pay for human advancement especially in the technological arenas.

Marxism portends holds equality as it's core value, yet in reality that never occurs since political corruption causes those who better serve those in power tend to get more government handouts. Yes, corruption takes root even in Marxist states.

The idea that all humans can be "equal" is a wonderful ideal, but an impossible one at the same time.
The truth is that some humans were born more intelligent, faster, stronger, taller etc than others. It's just nature. we cannot change that.

In order for the human race to advance as a whole, some will be wealthy beyond imagination while others will have nothing.
any other way means the human race will stagnate and cease advancement.

Russia is a mess and fails at nearly everything.
China has risen only because of theft of American secrets and the adaptation of western capitalism into their Marxist system.

How do you pretend to maintain your capitalist economy with advanced automation and artificial intelligence? Capitalism is built upon wage labor. You're just scribbling crap, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

You're just spouting off nonsense. A bunch of cold war lies. Going back and forth with you is a waste of time, I could debunk everything you're saying but is it worth it? If anyone is reading his capitalist tripe and is interested in reading my refutation, let me know. I'm not wasting my time with him. I will do it for those who are actually seeking the truth and interested in economics and history, otherwise, I'm not investing more energy in his posts.

As I suspected, you have no interest in conversation.
You have no interest in truth or human nature.
Instead, when a valid argument is presented, you get angry and begin to act childish.
As with ALL Marxist, you are dead set in "My way or No way"

You just embodied exactly why people are correct to avoid Marxism.

 

[Red Front]

As I suspected, you have no interest in conversation.
As with ALL Marxist, you are dead set in "My way or No way"

You just embodied exactly why people are correct to avoid Marxism.

Answer the question in my last post.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

How do you pretend to maintain your capitalist economy with advanced automation and artificial intelligence? Capitalism is built upon wage labor. You're just scribbling crap, you don't know what you're talking about.

Because of capitalism....robotics is replacing human labor rapidly.
While I do not have all the answers, there is discussion about how all humans can benefit from that.
Perhaps that is the ultimate destination of capitalism. An automated advanced society where all can have abundance and comfort without any exploitation of labor. I don't know and you don't know.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Answer the question in my last post.

You meant, "Please answer the question in my last post"

Your tone is beligerant and demanding.

 

[Red Front]

Because of capitalism....robotics is replacing human labor rapidly.

Yes duh. Because of slavery and feudalism, capitalism had an infrastructure upon which to develop. Duh? Socialism and after that high communism is the successor of capitalism. Capitalism gives birth to Socialism. You're making my point. The robots:

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How do you pretend to continue with capitalism FOREVER, when technology replaces wage labor. Hello? Think. Can you think?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Again, your Marxist ideals are all based on a very flawed foundation.
One that neglects human nature completely.

The only way to have any production in a Marxist economy is by the force of enslavement under an iron fisted government.

While you might get the bare essentials under Marxism,
Marxism can never result in the greatest advancement of the human race and I have clearly pointed out why.

And you have become rude.
That tells me I have defeated your argument.
My work here is done,
Have a nice day.