How Germany could have won the second world war

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He invaded Russia FIRST. Then, allied with Japan.

That's not accurate.
The Tripartite Pact was signed nearly a year before Hitler invaded Russia.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Telling them no American boys would be sent into foreign wars.

Which went out the window when it became a domestic war , as japan attacked our territory and our assets.

 

[Markle]

Better yet.If he kept all of his scientists from leaving Germany he would have had the atomic bomb first.The world would have been his.

The Norwegian underground sabotaged the boat carrying all the heavy water produced in Norway to that date. The boat sank in the deepest part of the lake, that slowed their development by years.

 

[Litwin]

Yes he was an imperialist, which you ignorantly admire.

FDR loved Stalin so much that he agreed to imprison half of Europe behind the Iron Curtain. Leading to decades of Cold War, which we were very lucky not to have destroyed the world.

FDR had no choice on who got Eastern Europe
It was occupied by the Red Army and Stalin was not about to give it up. He had already given millions of lives for that territory

Forcing him out would have cost hundreds of thousands of American lives

Silly as usual. Had we not entered the war and not given Stalin unlimited war material, he and Hitler likely fight to a stalemate. Thus saving lots of American lives.

FDR, like most tyrants, loved war.

A stalemate leaves Western Europe in German hands. The Soviets did the fighting and dying while we waited years to launch an invasion .....providing supplies to Russia kept us from having to bear the burden

FDR understood war and built a strong alliance
He also turned us into a Superpower

Soviets were Koba´s slaves, they have done many other stupid thing for Georgian tyrant

It was actually extreme patriotism

Their country was being invaded. They were fighting for Mother Russia
They lost ten percent of their population

"It was actually extreme patriotism " no it was not , its a Stalinist myth . the biggest national group of German ´s collaborationists were "russians" +
"The Lokot Autonomy was a semi-autonomous region in Nazi German-occupied central Russia commanded by Bronislav Kaminski's administration from July 1942 to August 1943. The name is derived from the district's site of administration, the urban-type settlement of Lokot in Oryol Oblast (now located in Bryansk Oblast). The "Autonomy" covered the area of eight raions (the present-day districtsBrasovsky, Dmitriyevsky, Dmitrovsky, Komarichsky, Navlinsky, Sevsky, Suzemsky and Zheleznogorsky) now divided between Bryansk, Oryol and Kursk Oblasts.[2] The autonomy was to serve as a test case for a Russian collaborationist government commanded by the SS in Reichskommissariat Moskowien.[3]"


Lokot Autonomy - Wikipedia


Smalensk villages, flowers, bred and salt

 

[Litwin]

Or he realized that the USSR was the country in a position to really do something about it.

Stalin BEGGED the West to open a second front, which really wasn't done until the middle of 1944. Up until that point, most of the fighting was done between the Red Army and the Wehrmacht.

Means nothing Joe, as it relates to my post. You have a propensity to post irrelevant shit.

FDR loved Uncle Joe. Communism did not scare FDR. He loved it so much that he filled his administration with Commies.

"FDR loved Uncle Joe" you know why? koba had mentality of Georgian thieves in law, very attractive for "friendship" . + USA wanted British empire down. but you have a point here FDR administration was badly infected with commies

FDR loved Uncle Joe

He loved that the Soviets did all the fighting and dying while we waited for the “right time” for us to invade

He loved that eighty percent of the German divisions were dedicated to fighting the Soviets

He loved that the Soviets had the Germans on the ropes by the time we executed D Day

He loved that we got the best territory after the war was over

Yes he was an imperialist, which you ignorantly admire.

FDR loved Stalin so much that he agreed to imprison half of Europe behind the Iron Curtain. Leading to decades of Cold War, which we were very lucky not to have destroyed the world.

FDR had no choice on who got Eastern Europe
It was occupied by the Red Army and Stalin was not about to give it up. He had already given millions of lives for that territory

Forcing him out would have cost hundreds of thousands of American lives

No, USSR ´d collapse in weeks if USA/UK attacked it in 1945, general Patton was 100% right , it was a huge uprising behind Stalinist hordes Baltics , Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Moldova, Caucasus, even Smalensk region , etc, were on fire

 

[rightwinger]

FDR had no choice on who got Eastern Europe
It was occupied by the Red Army and Stalin was not about to give it up. He had already given millions of lives for that territory

Forcing him out would have cost hundreds of thousands of American lives

Silly as usual. Had we not entered the war and not given Stalin unlimited war material, he and Hitler likely fight to a stalemate. Thus saving lots of American lives.

FDR, like most tyrants, loved war.

A stalemate leaves Western Europe in German hands. The Soviets did the fighting and dying while we waited years to launch an invasion .....providing supplies to Russia kept us from having to bear the burden

FDR understood war and built a strong alliance
He also turned us into a Superpower

Soviets were Koba´s slaves, they have done many other stupid thing for Georgian tyrant

It was actually extreme patriotism

Their country was being invaded. They were fighting for Mother Russia
They lost ten percent of their population

"It was actually extreme patriotism " no it was not , its a Stalinist myth . the biggest national group of German ´s collaborationists were "russians" +
"The Lokot Autonomy was a semi-autonomous region in Nazi German-occupied central Russia commanded by Bronislav Kaminski's administration from July 1942 to August 1943. The name is derived from the district's site of administration, the urban-type settlement of Lokot in Oryol Oblast (now located in Bryansk Oblast). The "Autonomy" covered the area of eight raions (the present-day districtsBrasovsky, Dmitriyevsky, Dmitrovsky, Komarichsky, Navlinsky, Sevsky, Suzemsky and Zheleznogorsky) now divided between Bryansk, Oryol and Kursk Oblasts.[2] The autonomy was to serve as a test case for a Russian collaborationist government commanded by the SS in Reichskommissariat Moskowien.[3]"


Lokot Autonomy - Wikipedia


Smalensk villages, flowers, bred and salt

The Russians were fighting for their homeland not Stalin.

They were as patriotic as we were. Only difference was they were fighting for their survival

 

[gipper]

not with the US involved
....also, even after he defeated France, there were resistance groups all over-France, Balkans, Norway, even Italy---with Britain supplying/helping them....it would've been very hard to hold on to these areas FOREVER

ALSO--if he loses the Russian front--he loses the Western Front!!
he he loses the Western Front, he loses the Russian Front
--if he loses on one front--he loses the WAR
so if you say he could win on one and not the other, that is ridiculous

How much was the US willing to sacrifice for a war in Europe? As it was, we lost 400,000 in both theaters. Would we be willing to lose a million?

Take Russia off the table and Germany has 100 divisions in Western Europe. Would the US still invade France or would we settle on defending England?

hold it--if he loses on one front--the war is over

The point is

Hitler only fights on one front

...he cannot win against the Russians--Russia too big/over double the population and hitler stabbed Russia in the back--Russia will not surrender
...Russia can't beat UK and the US
--it's a looooooong stretch to think Germany could win either front by itself

What if Hitler only concerned himself with defeating Russia ?
Would the west intervene to save communist USSR?
What if after defeating France and driving the Brits off the continent, Hitler had made peace and agreed to a disarmed France and an agreement that England stay out of future conflicts?

Then he can leave the Western Front undefended and use all his forces against USSR without the allies bombing his factories

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

How much was the US willing to sacrifice for a war in Europe? As it was, we lost 400,000 in both theaters. Would we be willing to lose a million?

Take Russia off the table and Germany has 100 divisions in Western Europe. Would the US still invade France or would we settle on defending England?

hold it--if he loses on one front--the war is over

The point is

Hitler only fights on one front

...he cannot win against the Russians--Russia too big/over double the population and hitler stabbed Russia in the back--Russia will not surrender
...Russia can't beat UK and the US
--it's a looooooong stretch to think Germany could win either front by itself

What if Hitler only concerned himself with defeating Russia ?
Would the west intervene to save communist USSR?
What if after defeating France and driving the Brits off the continent, Hitler had made peace and agreed to a disarmed France and an agreement that England stay out of future conflicts?

Then he can leave the Western Front undefended and use all his forces against USSR without the allies bombing his factories

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

Of course, that's idiotic, as Germany declared war in the United States.

 

[gipper]

hold it--if he loses on one front--the war is over

The point is

Hitler only fights on one front

...he cannot win against the Russians--Russia too big/over double the population and hitler stabbed Russia in the back--Russia will not surrender
...Russia can't beat UK and the US
--it's a looooooong stretch to think Germany could win either front by itself

What if Hitler only concerned himself with defeating Russia ?
Would the west intervene to save communist USSR?
What if after defeating France and driving the Brits off the continent, Hitler had made peace and agreed to a disarmed France and an agreement that England stay out of future conflicts?

Then he can leave the Western Front undefended and use all his forces against USSR without the allies bombing his factories

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

Of course, that's idiotic, as Germany declared war in the United States.

As usual you don’t know shit.

FDR instigated war with Japan, after his many efforts to instigate war with Germany failed. Once the US declared war on Japan, after FDR’s successful efforts of instigating war with them, Germany had little choice since they were allies with Japan.

So the fool FDR, was successful all round in getting his war with Germany to help save his Uncle.

 

[harmonica]

The point is

Hitler only fights on one front

...he cannot win against the Russians--Russia too big/over double the population and hitler stabbed Russia in the back--Russia will not surrender
...Russia can't beat UK and the US
--it's a looooooong stretch to think Germany could win either front by itself

What if Hitler only concerned himself with defeating Russia ?
Would the west intervene to save communist USSR?
What if after defeating France and driving the Brits off the continent, Hitler had made peace and agreed to a disarmed France and an agreement that England stay out of future conflicts?

Then he can leave the Western Front undefended and use all his forces against USSR without the allies bombing his factories

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

Of course, that's idiotic, as Germany declared war in the United States.

As usual you don’t know shit.

FDR instigated war with Japan, after his many efforts to instigate war with Germany failed. Once the US declared war on Japan, after FDR’s successful efforts of instigating war with them, Germany had little choice since they were allies with Japan.

So the fool FDR, was successful all round in getting his war with Germany to help save his Uncle.

do you use drugs all the time?

 

[gipper]

Telling them no American boys would be sent into foreign wars.

Which went out the window when it became a domestic war , as japan attacked our territory and our assets.

LOL. You are completely clueless.

 

[gipper]

...he cannot win against the Russians--Russia too big/over double the population and hitler stabbed Russia in the back--Russia will not surrender
...Russia can't beat UK and the US
--it's a looooooong stretch to think Germany could win either front by itself

What if Hitler only concerned himself with defeating Russia ?
Would the west intervene to save communist USSR?
What if after defeating France and driving the Brits off the continent, Hitler had made peace and agreed to a disarmed France and an agreement that England stay out of future conflicts?

Then he can leave the Western Front undefended and use all his forces against USSR without the allies bombing his factories

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

Of course, that's idiotic, as Germany declared war in the United States.

As usual you don’t know shit.

FDR instigated war with Japan, after his many efforts to instigate war with Germany failed. Once the US declared war on Japan, after FDR’s successful efforts of instigating war with them, Germany had little choice since they were allies with Japan.

So the fool FDR, was successful all round in getting his war with Germany to help save his Uncle.

do you use drugs all the time?

Yes statists find the truth hard to accept. So they must denigrate, as they generally are too stupid to debate the facts.

 

[gipper]

He invaded Russia FIRST. Then, allied with Japan.

That's not accurate.
The Tripartite Pact was signed nearly a year before Hitler invaded Russia.

Totally dumb. Completely missed my point. Common with dummies.

 

[Markle]

There is a show on Netflix wherein the U.S. lost the second world war and came under the control of the Nazis, or so I have been told. I believe it's called "The man in the high castle". I've never watched. The idea that Germany was going to "take over the world" was laughable. Without the benefit of hindsight, the Germans probably did about as well as they could have done. They won a staggering victory against the French and British. And then their armies waltzed through Russia, at least until late 1941. They had a HELL of a run, but it wasn't going to last forever, and it didn't.

The show "The Man in the High Castle" is pretty good. Germany has taken everything East of the Mississippi River and Japan commanded everything West of the Mississippi.

Had Adolph Hitler simply had more patience, I believe he could have held all of Western Europe and probably Russia. I don't see any possibility that he could have taken the United States. We had such an extreme advantage in materials and production. At the same time, he did easily sink over 600 ships just off our coast and even in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[harmonica]

What if Hitler only concerned himself with defeating Russia ?
Would the west intervene to save communist USSR?
What if after defeating France and driving the Brits off the continent, Hitler had made peace and agreed to a disarmed France and an agreement that England stay out of future conflicts?

Then he can leave the Western Front undefended and use all his forces against USSR without the allies bombing his factories

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

Of course, that's idiotic, as Germany declared war in the United States.

As usual you don’t know shit.

FDR instigated war with Japan, after his many efforts to instigate war with Germany failed. Once the US declared war on Japan, after FDR’s successful efforts of instigating war with them, Germany had little choice since they were allies with Japan.

So the fool FDR, was successful all round in getting his war with Germany to help save his Uncle.

do you use drugs all the time?

Yes statists find the truth hard to accept. So they must denigrate, as they generally are too stupid to debate the facts.

FDR must've been pretty smart to get us into the war-a genius

 

[harmonica]

There is a show on Netflix wherein the U.S. lost the second world war and came under the control of the Nazis, or so I have been told. I believe it's called "The man in the high castle". I've never watched. The idea that Germany was going to "take over the world" was laughable. Without the benefit of hindsight, the Germans probably did about as well as they could have done. They won a staggering victory against the French and British. And then their armies waltzed through Russia, at least until late 1941. They had a HELL of a run, but it wasn't going to last forever, and it didn't.

The show "The Man in the High Castle" is pretty good. Germany has taken everything East of the Mississippi River and Japan commanded everything West of the Mississippi.

Had Adolph Hitler simply had more patience, I believe he could have held all of Western Europe and probably Russia. I don't see any possibility that he could have taken the United States. We had such an extreme advantage in materials and production. At the same time, he did easily sink over 600 ships just off our coast and even in the Gulf of Mexico.

he's not defeating Russia at all--not even close

 

[gipper]

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

Of course, that's idiotic, as Germany declared war in the United States.

As usual you don’t know shit.

FDR instigated war with Japan, after his many efforts to instigate war with Germany failed. Once the US declared war on Japan, after FDR’s successful efforts of instigating war with them, Germany had little choice since they were allies with Japan.

So the fool FDR, was successful all round in getting his war with Germany to help save his Uncle.

do you use drugs all the time?

Yes statists find the truth hard to accept. So they must denigrate, as they generally are too stupid to debate the facts.

FDR must've been pretty smart to get us into the war-a genius

 

[Markle]

Do you like historical "what ifs?" Here's mine.

Hitler took his eye off the ultimate prize, conquering the Soviet Union. Hitler needlessly and detrimentally went to war with Britain.

Upon taking France, Hitler should have disarmed the French (as they did), dismantled the Maginot Line and then announced that it was unilaterally withdrawing from France and state that they never wanted war with the allies and that their territorial claims in Poland were just. The French would have retained their navy (as they did anyway) and their colonies. I'm confident that the French would have readily accepted such generous terms from the Germans.

Hitler would have refrained from invading Denmark, Norway and north Africa while also refraining from any attacks against the U.K. Politically speaking, Churchill would have had virtually nill support for engaging in war against the Germans considering that the French were out of the war and at peace with Germany and considering that the Germans were not taking any aggressive actions against the U.K.

Hitler also would have needed to NOT declare war on the U.S., as he was apparently bound by agreement with Japan to do.

Had Hitler done these things, Germany would not have been at war with the western allies. He would not have expended and wasted massive resources engaging in needless wars in the "Battle of Britain" or in north Africa nor in occupying and fortifying France.

There would have been no British and American bombers bombing Germany's infrastructure. It's quite possible that American aid to the Soviets would never have happened or that the support would have been significantly less.

Hitler could have had the one-front war that he always wanted and have gone to war with the Soviets without having one arm tied behind his back, so to speak.

I will also add that Hitler's desire to actually take Stalingrad was completely unnecessary and counterproductive. He didn't need to take that city. They could have taken the oil fields in the Caucasus oil fields.

One glaring omission was Hitler's genocide of the Jews. Obviously, this would have been problematic for Germany in the long-term as the western allies, sooner or later, were going to learn of what was happening and would have responded with war. Hitler could have delayed his war against Jewish people in order to focus on winning the war. Thereafter, he could have advocated for the state of Israel and then worked on a program to humanely send European Jews to the newly created state.

Hitler would have needed to take Leningrad and then fortify western Russia and the Ukraine in order to be able to retain his conquests. The Germans were never going to be able to take and keep Moscow or Stalingrad. The Germans simply could not won the battle of attrition with the Soviets over the long-term.

Here is what "winning" the war would have looked like for Germany.

1) Defeating the allied armies in France, disarming the French and then making peace with the allies and, of course, avoiding war with the U.S.

2) Seizing Leningrad, the Ukraine and the Caucasus oil fields and being able to hold those territories.

3) Avoiding genocide of the Jews by, instead, exporting Germany's Jews to Palestine or a newly created "Israel".

Still, the Soviets would not have taken this lying down and the idea that the Germans could have, in the long-term, been able to retain control of their territorial conquests in the east seems unlikely.

Thoughts?

Actually Hitler would have won had he not declared war upon America as quickly as he did. America was isolationist at the time, and would not likely have initiated a war with Hitler. If Hitler had waited just a year we would have committed all of our forces to the Pacific instead of initially Europe as we did. This would have freed Hitler up to invade the UK and then Russia without having to worry about a second front in the West, allowing all resources and manpower to fight in Russia.

It would have also allowed Hitler to complete the major advances in warfare they came close to completing. Not only the V rockets, but Germany had developed a stealth fighter. Because of limited resources Hitler dropped the production of the fighters to create a stealth bomber version. This was intended for a one way mission to major east coast cities with a nuclear bomb in it, which they had also come close to completing. Had these programs been successful the world would be much different than it is today.

It was all about timing.

I agree that had Hitler waited a year, he could have won.

He was left without much of an option after we declared war on Japan. Hitler had a mutual aggression pact with them. Not that ignoring agreements with other countries had slowed him to that point.

Hitler had not produced a stealth fighter. He HAD developed and was producing jet fighters and bombers which could have given him air superiority.

 

[rightwinger]

How much was the US willing to sacrifice for a war in Europe? As it was, we lost 400,000 in both theaters. Would we be willing to lose a million?

Take Russia off the table and Germany has 100 divisions in Western Europe. Would the US still invade France or would we settle on defending England?

hold it--if he loses on one front--the war is over

The point is

Hitler only fights on one front

...he cannot win against the Russians--Russia too big/over double the population and hitler stabbed Russia in the back--Russia will not surrender
...Russia can't beat UK and the US
--it's a looooooong stretch to think Germany could win either front by itself

What if Hitler only concerned himself with defeating Russia ?
Would the west intervene to save communist USSR?
What if after defeating France and driving the Brits off the continent, Hitler had made peace and agreed to a disarmed France and an agreement that England stay out of future conflicts?

Then he can leave the Western Front undefended and use all his forces against USSR without the allies bombing his factories

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

It was already well past that by Dec 7 1941

 

[rightwinger]

Had Stalin’s Stooge not been such a bloodthirsty fool, duped by the Limeys and his mass murdering Uncle, WWII would have been known today as the Russo-Hun War.

Of course, that's idiotic, as Germany declared war in the United States.

As usual you don’t know shit.

FDR instigated war with Japan, after his many efforts to instigate war with Germany failed. Once the US declared war on Japan, after FDR’s successful efforts of instigating war with them, Germany had little choice since they were allies with Japan.

So the fool FDR, was successful all round in getting his war with Germany to help save his Uncle.

do you use drugs all the time?

Yes statists find the truth hard to accept. So they must denigrate, as they generally are too stupid to debate the facts.

FDR must've been pretty smart to get us into the war-a genius

He could not have kept us out of it