How Far Can The State Go?

[Derideo_Te]

Admit it or not, the politically dominant philosophy, whether one calls it Democrat, Liberal, socialist, Marxist, it virulently opposed to religion, and, by extension, the morality thereof.

Too bad PoliticalSpice has failed to establish that religion is the single source of all morality.

And by failing to do so the rest of her allegations are null and void because they are based upon her entirely false premise regarding the source of morality.

 

[jillian]

Holland isn't here. Regardless if a pharmacist doesn't want to hand out legal drugs then they can find a new job.

and THAT is exactly right.

muslims and orthodox jews shouldn't work selling pork.

fundie christian extremists shouldn't be pharmacists.

 

[NYcarbineer]

health·care
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noun
noun: health care; modifier noun: health-care; noun: health-care
1.
the maintenance and improvement of physical and mental health, especially through the provision of medical services.



Many use the emergency room as their primary physician......you dope.

And if those people need treatment beyond an emergency room visit, or if it is determined their condition didn't qualify as an emergency,

and they can't pay,

then what do they get in this world you claim provides everyone healthcare.

(btw, I've already won this argument once with this poster and she didn't learn a thing.)

Time and again you hide behind the lie that you've won anything.

I just won this argument again. You lost because you claim that everyone can get healthcare in this country and have been able to for decades but you can't show how people can get non-emergency care if they can't pay.

Feel free to try though.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Admit it or not, the politically dominant philosophy, whether one calls it Democrat, Liberal, socialist, Marxist, it virulently opposed to religion, and, by extension, the morality thereof.

Too bad PoliticalSpice has failed to establish that religion is the single source of all morality.

And by failing to do so the rest of her allegations are null and void because they are based upon her entirely false premise regarding the source of morality.

I'm guessing she didn't mean to praise Islam that much either.

 

[paulitician]

Religion has always been the archenemy of Totalitarianism. The Totalitarians need the People to worship Government. Religion gets in the way of that. I think some prominent Communists had quite a bit to say on that subject.

 

[Katzndogz]

I wish I could say I was surprised at the left's embrace of an authoritarian government deciding when, where and how everyone's life should end and punish those who resist. But, I'm not. It falls right in line with liberal thinking.

When the government wants your life to end, it has only to tell the patient that life is not worth living and they should be happy that a non emotional entity is stepping in to take these decisions from them. Now the patient really wants to be murdered. If there is a third party that objects, even if not on religious grounds but simple moral grounds, that third party MUST be punished.

your entire post is so much made up bullshit.

no government discussed in this thread is putting anyone to death - unless you count the death penalty, and then yes, our government does that.

your second paragraph just has absolutely no basis in reality at all.

i'm not sure what thread you were reading, but it wasn't this one.

"...no government discussed in this thread is putting anyone to death."

Perhaps....

...but, there is this:

a) "[Democrat] GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY, IF VERY ILL, HAVE 'DUTY TO DIE'

DENVER, March 28— Elderly people who are terminally ill have a ''duty to die and get out of the way'' instead of trying to prolong their lives by artificial means, Gov. Richard D. Lamm of Colorado said Tuesday."
GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY, IF VERY ILL, HAVE 'DUTY TO DIE' - NYTimes.com


b) Democrat Tom Daschle, original nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department, and says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey - Bloomberg



c) A key administration figure committed to cost cutting is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere.
http://defendyourhealthcare.us/
Downgrading American Medical Care | The American Spectator



d) ...slipped into the emergency stimulus legislation was substantial funding for a Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, comparative effectiveness research is generally code for limiting care based on the patient's age.” The CER would identify (this is language from the draft report on the legislation) medical "items, procedures, and interventions" that it deems insufficiently effective or excessively expensive. They "will no longer be prescribed" by federal health programs.” Are you thinking ‘seniors’? George F. Will - How the GOP Should Measure the Stimulus




The Democrat desire is evident.

Once you get into discussions of whether or not pharmacists should have the right not to provide lethal drugs, you have gotten into state intervention on putting someone to death. Although there is this little matter of third parties refusing to provide chemicals used in the death penalty. That somehow seems to be okay.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Religion has always been the archenemy of Totalitarianism. The Totalitarians need the People to worship Government. Religion gets in the way of that. I think some prominent Communists had quite a bit to say on that subject.

ha ha ha ha ha ha. Religion was basis for totalitarianism for centuries.

 

[jillian]

Religion has always been the archenemy of Totalitarianism. The Totalitarians need the People to worship Government. Religion gets in the way of that. I think some prominent Communists had quite a bit to say on that subject.

relgion?

lmao....

 

[NYcarbineer]

And if those people need treatment beyond an emergency room visit, or if it is determined their condition didn't qualify as an emergency,

and they can't pay,

then what do they get in this world you claim provides everyone healthcare.

(btw, I've already won this argument once with this poster and she didn't learn a thing.)

Time and again you hide behind the lie that you've won anything.

I just won this argument again. You lost because you claim that everyone can get healthcare in this country and have been able to for decades but you can't show how people can get non-emergency care if they can't pay.

Feel free to try though.

No? Well, now who won the argument? lolol

 

[paulitician]

Totalitarians need the People to worship the State. They certainly can't have them worshipping God. There can be no higher power than the State. People need to understand that. That's what's going on in our World today. The NWO Globalist Elites are a vicious Godless lot.

 

[Pogo]

Totalitarians need the People to worship the State. They certainly can't have them worshipping God. There can be no higher power than the State. People need to understand that. That's what's going on in our World today. The NWO Globalist Elites are a vicious Godless lot.

"Worship" is monogamous now?

That's gonna come as a shock to the fans of more than a few pro athletes...

.... and Hollyweird celebrities....

.... and crackpot politicians, and Lust Rimjob....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Religion has always been the archenemy of Totalitarianism. The Totalitarians need the People to worship Government. Religion gets in the way of that. I think some prominent Communists had quite a bit to say on that subject.

The Tsar of Russia was also the supreme leader of the state Church.

 

[ogibillm]

I wish I could say I was surprised at the left's embrace of an authoritarian government deciding when, where and how everyone's life should end and punish those who resist. But, I'm not. It falls right in line with liberal thinking.

When the government wants your life to end, it has only to tell the patient that life is not worth living and they should be happy that a non emotional entity is stepping in to take these decisions from them. Now the patient really wants to be murdered. If there is a third party that objects, even if not on religious grounds but simple moral grounds, that third party MUST be punished.

your entire post is so much made up bullshit.

no government discussed in this thread is putting anyone to death - unless you count the death penalty, and then yes, our government does that.

your second paragraph just has absolutely no basis in reality at all.

i'm not sure what thread you were reading, but it wasn't this one.

"...no government discussed in this thread is putting anyone to death."

Perhaps....

...but, there is this:

a) "[Democrat] GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY, IF VERY ILL, HAVE 'DUTY TO DIE'

DENVER, March 28— Elderly people who are terminally ill have a ''duty to die and get out of the way'' instead of trying to prolong their lives by artificial means, Gov. Richard D. Lamm of Colorado said Tuesday."
GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY, IF VERY ILL, HAVE 'DUTY TO DIE' - NYTimes.com


b) Democrat Tom Daschle, original nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department, and says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them.
Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey - Bloomberg



c) A key administration figure committed to cost cutting is Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, a health policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget and brother of Rahm Emanuel, the president's chief of staff wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their own patient and consider social justice. They should think about whether the money being spent on their patient could be better spent elsewhere.
http://defendyourhealthcare.us/
Downgrading American Medical Care | The American Spectator



d) ...slipped into the emergency stimulus legislation was substantial funding for a Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, comparative effectiveness research is generally code for limiting care based on the patient's age.” The CER would identify (this is language from the draft report on the legislation) medical "items, procedures, and interventions" that it deems insufficiently effective or excessively expensive. They "will no longer be prescribed" by federal health programs.” Are you thinking ‘seniors’? George F. Will - How the GOP Should Measure the Stimulus




The Democrat desire is evident.

wow. since your point (c) is known to be false i'm not going to bother with the rest.

also, gov. lamm's quote is from 30 years ago.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Totalitarians need the People to worship the State. They certainly can't have them worshipping God. There can be no higher power than the State. People need to understand that. That's what's going on in our World today. The NWO Globalist Elites are a vicious Godless lot.

"Worship" is monogamous now?

That's gonna come as a shock to the fans of more than a few pro athletes...

.... and Hollyweird celebrities....

.... and crackpot politicians, and Lust Rimjob....

Perhaps you've heard of the divine right of Kings? It's easy to worship both the Church and the State when they're one and the same.

 

[paulitician]

The NWO Global Elites are anything but Religious. Make no mistake about it, they are evil Godless wretches.

 

[Pogo]

Totalitarians need the People to worship the State. They certainly can't have them worshipping God. There can be no higher power than the State. People need to understand that. That's what's going on in our World today. The NWO Globalist Elites are a vicious Godless lot.

"Worship" is monogamous now?

That's gonna come as a shock to the fans of more than a few pro athletes...

.... and Hollyweird celebrities....

.... and crackpot politicians, and Lust Rimjob....

Perhaps you've heard of the divine right of Kings? It's easy to worship both the Church and the State when they're one and the same.

Apparently in Paulifiction's world, "worship" works like a zygote ---- once a sperm cell hits it the doors slam shut, everybody out of the pool

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[ogibillm]

The NWO Global Elites are anything but Religious. Make no mistake about it, they are evil Godless wretches.

what relevance do you believe that statement has to the discussion over the duties of a pharmacist and how their religious beliefs should be allowed to impact those duties?

 

[Pogo]

The NWO Global Elites are anything but Religious. Make no mistake about it, they are evil Godless wretches.

what relevance do you believe that statement has to the discussion over the duties of a pharmacist and how their religious beliefs should be allowed to impact those duties?

Of course, any government that is not a theocracy is by definition "godless". And that's a good thing. And it doesn't need an uppercase G.

 

[JakeStarkey]

How Far Can The State Go?

As far as We the People let it.

Right now the balance is fairly middle, denying the small minorities on the far left and the far right to either do too much or too little, respectively.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Totalitarians need the People to worship the State. They certainly can't have them worshipping God. There can be no higher power than the State. People need to understand that. That's what's going on in our World today. The NWO Globalist Elites are a vicious Godless lot.

So why does the Bible preach about socialism and a totalitarian one world order?