How does the trump Gaza Strip sound?

[berg80]

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At what point did you arrive at the idea International Law isn't an example of the Collective
I have already addressed with you in a previous post in this thread?

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Uh oh. The "Collective?" You've watched too many episodes of Star Trek with the Borg. Esoteric conspiracy theories aren't my thing. But I understand your need to introduce them since trump's suggestion is indefensible.

 

[Robert W]

Biden had a balancing line to walk and most on the right, unlike you, were chewing his head off for providing weapons to Ukraine and supposedly risking WW3 (or WW2 as Trump sometimes put it).

In our government Republicans were the major impediment and obstruction to Ukraine funding, not Biden.

Same is reflected in partisan public opinions:

Polls bother me a lot. Not that they should not be done, but the reader does not understand the nature of the questioner nor their motives. I get polls sent to me by various groups and ordinarily they ask for money.

News Analysis

Will Biden’s Help for Ukraine Come Fast Enough and Last Long Enough?​

The president signed a 10-year security pact with Ukraine and promised, with E.U. help, a $50 billion loan. But will the money arrive in time to turn the tide, and will the deal outlast the election in November?

Will Biden’s Help for Ukraine Come Fast Enough and Last Long Enough?

The president signed a 10-year security pact with Ukraine and promised, with E.U. help, a $50 billion loan. But will the money arrive in time to turn the tide, and will the deal outlast the election in November?

www.nytimes.com

 

[bendog]

You maga guys know that Trump is not pissing off MbS

 

[BlackSand]

Uh oh. The "Collective?" You've watched too many episodes of Star Trek with the Borg. Esoteric conspiracy theories aren't my thing. But I understand your need to introduce them since trump's suggestion is indefensible.

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It's interesting that you believe the Collective is an invention of Star Trek ...
And didn't come from an understanding established in the Communist Manifesto from Friedrich Engles ...
And sold to masses by Karl Marx.

That's not a conspiracy theory ... It was their ******* plan ... You don't understand shit ...

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[Sherlock Holmes]

Trump says U.S. will own and develop Gaza, and Palestinians living there should leave​

President Donald Trump on Tuesday evening said the United States “will take over the Gaza Strip,” and “we’ll own it.”

Trump said that all Palestinians currently living in Gaza — around 2 million people — should leave and be placed in other countries in the Middle East, among them Jordan and Egypt, while the U.S. develops the territory.


Ministers of those and other Arab countries several days ago flatly rejected the idea of accepting Gaza residents.

Gaza has been decimated during a war with its neighbor Israel, which began with the Oct. 7, 2023, attack by the terror group Hamas.

“Gaza is a hellhole,” Trump said at the White House during a joint news conference with Israel’s prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The former New York real estate developer later suggested that Gaza eventually could be “the Riviera of the Middle East,” where “the world’s people” could make their homes.

“I do see a long-term ownership position,” Trump said when asked if he envisioned a permanent U.S. occupation of Gaza.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/04/trump-says-us-will-own-and-develop-gaza-strip.html

It's going to be awesome. Imagine a big trump Tower on the ground where thousands of Palestinians were slaughtered by the IDF. The "world's people" could make their homes there. Except for, you know, those Palestinians who lived there. They have to go.

I think Don forgot for a moment he isn't a real estate developer any longer. But I bet Jared, with the billions the Saudi's gave him to invest, is eager to break ground.

Like (as one analyst said) putting a target on every American's back, especially Americans situated or working in the Middle East.

I fully expect terrorism now, I would be unsurprised if Trump's hotels get bombed as a show of protest against his calls to support ethnic cleansing.

The Gaza strip if converted into a commercial investment by forcing people out of their own land, will not be safe, it would need ridiculous security and there would be bombings, shootings, stabbings and so on.

It's an idiotic as well as criminal idea.

 

[Failzero]

Make Gaza a NATO base / Protectorate

 

[AntonToo]

Polls bother me a lot. Not that they should not be done, but the reader does not understand the nature of the questioner nor their motives. I get polls sent to me by various groups and ordinarily they ask for money.

News Analysis

Will Biden’s Help for Ukraine Come Fast Enough and Last Long Enough?​

The president signed a 10-year security pact with Ukraine and promised, with E.U. help, a $50 billion loan. But will the money arrive in time to turn the tide, and will the deal outlast the election in November?

Will Biden’s Help for Ukraine Come Fast Enough and Last Long Enough?

The president signed a 10-year security pact with Ukraine and promised, with E.U. help, a $50 billion loan. But will the money arrive in time to turn the tide, and will the deal outlast the election in November?

www.nytimes.com

All polls showed the same thing and it's not just polls

Anyone who has been following the issue knows that Democrats supported Ukraine much stronger than Republicans,
knows that funding criticism was primarily from the right,
knows that it was Republicans that played political games with Ukraine funding by first demanding it be tied to border deal, refusing to bring a clean funding bill to the floor.

You are denying the obvious.

 

[Robert W]

Biden had a balancing line to walk and most on the right, unlike you, were chewing his head off for providing weapons to Ukraine and supposedly risking WW3 (or WW2 as Trump sometimes put it).

In our government Republicans were the major impediment and obstruction to Ukraine funding, not Biden.

Same is reflected in partisan public opinions:

Biden administration slowed Ukraine arms shipments until his term was nearly done​

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/biden-administration-beset-by-doubts-slowed-ukraine-weapons-shipments-until-2025-02-03/

By Erin Banco, Anastasiia Malenko, Mike Stone and Mari Saito
February 3, 20253:00 AM MSTUpdated a day ago



DNIPROPETROVSK OBLAST, Ukraine - It’s been months since the Ukrainian battalion stationed on the frosty, rutted frontline has received a new armored personnel carrier to take men forward, supply munitions and evacuate the wounded.
The battalion and others like it are the endpoint in a complex chain moving American military equipment to the front in eastern Ukraine.
For a unit commander, who goes by the callsign Tyson, any delay in that chain is a matter of life or death. The armored vehicles, supplied by the U.S. and its allies, are prized because even old ones are safer than the Soviet-era equipment usually available to Ukrainian forces.
“When we don’t have enough cars, we’re not able to get the injured,” Tyson said, shifting his feet in the sticky January mud of a training field where he waited for vehicle repairs. Icy winds fluttered the camouflage netting concealing the vehicle.

“When we didn't make it in time, they died,” he said.
In the final year of President Joe Biden’s term, decisions on key shipments and weapons in Ukraine were stalled not just by months of congressional delays, but also by internal debates over escalation risks with Russia, as well as concerns over whether the U.S. stockpile was sufficient, a Reuters investigation found. Adding to the confusion was a chaotic weapons-tracking system in which even the definition of “delivered” differed among U.S. military branches.

 

[Moonglow]

I bet the Muslims have buyer removed from supporting Trump.

 

[Robert W]

All polls showed the same thing and it's not just polls

Anyone who has been following the issue knows that Democrats supported Ukraine much stronger than Republicans,
knows that funding criticism was primarily from the right,
knows that it was Republicans that played political games with Ukraine funding by first demanding it be tied to border deal, refusing to bring a clean funding bill to the floor.

You are denying the obvious.

I have posted more proof that the public does not matter so polling them is nuts.

Reuters posted more accurately what happened among the government of the USA and not what citizens thought.

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/biden-administration-beset-by-doubts-slowed-ukraine-weapons-shipments-until-2025-02-03/

 

[AntonToo]

Biden administration slowed Ukraine arms shipments until his term was nearly done​

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/biden-administration-beset-by-doubts-slowed-ukraine-weapons-shipments-until-2025-02-03/

By Erin Banco, Anastasiia Malenko, Mike Stone and Mari Saito
February 3, 20253:00 AM MSTUpdated a day ago



DNIPROPETROVSK OBLAST, Ukraine - It’s been months since the Ukrainian battalion stationed on the frosty, rutted frontline has received a new armored personnel carrier to take men forward, supply munitions and evacuate the wounded.
The battalion and others like it are the endpoint in a complex chain moving American military equipment to the front in eastern Ukraine.
For a unit commander, who goes by the callsign Tyson, any delay in that chain is a matter of life or death. The armored vehicles, supplied by the U.S. and its allies, are prized because even old ones are safer than the Soviet-era equipment usually available to Ukrainian forces.
“When we don’t have enough cars, we’re not able to get the injured,” Tyson said, shifting his feet in the sticky January mud of a training field where he waited for vehicle repairs. Icy winds fluttered the camouflage netting concealing the vehicle.

“When we didn't make it in time, they died,” he said.
In the final year of President Joe Biden’s term, decisions on key shipments and weapons in Ukraine were stalled not just by months of congressional delays, but also by internal debates over escalation risks with Russia, as well as concerns over whether the U.S. stockpile was sufficient, a Reuters investigation found. Adding to the confusion was a chaotic weapons-tracking system in which even the definition of “delivered” differed among U.S. military branches.

Did you read it? Congressional delays were by Republicans.

But when Johnson returned to Washington, DC, on Monday plotting his path forward, he was faced with an onslaught of attacks from many of his GOP colleagues.

The Louisiana Republican quickly began hearing an earful from hardline conservatives, coming to realize his risky gambit of holding separate votes on aid for Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan – and later tying those bills together in one package without including conservative demands over stricter border policies – could trigger a snap vote to remove him as speaker.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/politics/ukraine-aid-mike-johnson-house-speaker-israel-taiwan/index.html

Should Biden pushed harder to arm Ukraine? Yes, but he was a hawk among all the Republican doves.

 

[Robert W]

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It's interesting that you believe the Collective is an invention of Star Trek ...
And didn't come from an understanding established in the Communist Manifesto from Friedrich Engles ...
And sold to masses by Karl Marx.

That's not a conspiracy theory ... It was their ******* plan ... You don't understand shit ...

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Educating Democrats reminds me as if we went to Russia trying to educate Russians about Putin. They have hive minds that set just at one point. Even evidence keeps them in the dark.

 

[berg80]

It's interesting that you believe the Collective is an invention of Star Trek

What I know is you found yourself in need invoking a fantastical belief so you wouldn't have to deal with reality.

 

[Robert W]

Did you read it? Congressional delays were by Republicans.

But when Johnson returned to Washington, DC, on Monday plotting his path forward, he was faced with an onslaught of attacks from many of his GOP colleagues.

The Louisiana Republican quickly began hearing an earful from hardline conservatives, coming to realize his risky gambit of holding separate votes on aid for Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan – and later tying those bills together in one package without including conservative demands over stricter border policies – could trigger a snap vote to remove him as speaker.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/politics/ukraine-aid-mike-johnson-house-speaker-israel-taiwan/index.html

Should Biden pushed harder to arm Ukraine? Yes, but he was a hawk among all the Republican doves.

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/biden-administration-beset-by-doubts-slowed-ukraine-weapons-shipments-until-2025-02-03/

But despite the Biden team’s billing of the later announcements as a surge in aid from October through Inauguration Day, monthly aid from the U.S only reached the $1.1 billion monthly average established during the first two years of the war, the analysis found.
By November, just about half of the total dollar amount the U.S. had promised in 2024 from American stockpiles had been delivered, and only about 30% of promised armored vehicles had arrived by early December, according to two congressional aides, a U.S. official, and a lawmaker briefed on the data.
In the final 12 months of Biden’s term, Ukraine lost nearly all the land it regained in its largely inconclusive 2023 counteroffensive. As 2024 drew to a close, Russian forces were capturing a daily average of around 20 square kilometers, claiming nearly the equivalent of the area of Manhattan every three days, according to data compiled by the Institute for the Study of War.

 

[AntonToo]

Educating Democrats

Posting counterfactual bullshit is your idea of educating someone?

 

[Failzero]

80% of the Non Palestinian Arabs & Moslems could give a **** about the Palestinians ( behind the scenes )

 

[berg80]

Educating Democrats reminds me as if we went to Russia trying to educate Russians about Putin. They have hive minds that set just at one point. Even evidence keeps them in the dark.

The accuracy of your projections is impressive.

 

[BlackSand]

Educating Democrats reminds me as if we went to Russia trying to educate Russians about Putin. They have hive minds that set just at one point. Even evidence keeps them in the dark.

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Yeah ... I thought it might be a little over his head if I tried to explain that's probably where the writers for Star Trek got the idea for the Borg.
It would do more to identify what side of that line he would be standing on in relation to his present-day support for the Collective.

Wow ... Keep at it brother ... Thanks for your Service ...

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[AntonToo]

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/biden-administration-beset-by-doubts-slowed-ukraine-weapons-shipments-until-2025-02-03/

But despite the Biden team’s billing of the later announcements as a surge in aid from October through Inauguration Day, monthly aid from the U.S only reached the $1.1 billion monthly average established during the first two years of the war, the analysis found.
By November, just about half of the total dollar amount the U.S. had promised in 2024 from American stockpiles had been delivered, and only about 30% of promised armored vehicles had arrived by early December, according to two congressional aides, a U.S. official, and a lawmaker briefed on the data.
In the final 12 months of Biden’s term, Ukraine lost nearly all the land it regained in its largely inconclusive 2023 counteroffensive. As 2024 drew to a close, Russian forces were capturing a daily average of around 20 square kilometers, claiming nearly the equivalent of the area of Manhattan every three days, according to data compiled by the Institute for the Study of War.

Are you going to address even a WORD of the fact of Republican obstruction and opposition to Ukraine millitary funding?

Are you too much of a hack to honestly respond?

 

[berg80]

Posting counterfactual bullshit is your idea of educating someone?

Bob has a tortured relationship with the truth. Always has, always will.