How do you interpet these two charts ?

[CultureCitizen]

 

[Shrimpbox]

Your two blue lines do not match.

 

[Sonny Clark]

EXPLANATION : Employers are doing more ( producing more ) with fewer employees. Automation, innovation, and technology are replacing workers. Employers are off-shore out-sourcing labor, importing labor, and we have millions of illegal immigrants living and working in this country. In addition, our unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies heavily favor our trading partners. Since 1960, we've lost the steel, textile, electronics, appliance, furniture, automotive parts, tool, toy, housewares, and farm equipment industries to cheap foreign labor markets. We've closed our plants and factories in favor of strengthening foreign economies. We've sacrificed our economic well-being in favor of supporting foreign labor markets.

America no longer produces what America uses and consumes. We've become import dependent. The jobs that once provided living wage self-supporting jobs that covered all education and skill levels, are now in foreign countries. Basically, we've been sold out by the very ones that we entrusted with our economic well-being. Skills that were once handed down and passed along generation to generation, are now lost due to so many lost industries.

Store shelves that were once filled with the "Made In U.S.A." label, are now filled with products imported from China, Japan, Korea, Southeast Asia, Pakistan, and South America countries. As our work force grows, the number of living wage self-supporting jobs decrease. As a result, we now have part-time, temporary, and low wage jobs available to those that want to work. We now have college grads flipping burgers and living with parents.

Our living standards do not allow us to compete with cheap foreign labor markets. We do not work children in sweat shops 18 hours a day. Our businesses must comply with regulations such as labor laws, OSHA, EPA, and others. We're at a distinct disadvantage when trying to compete with cheap foreign labor markets. Our farmers are not allowed to use certain insecticides, fungicides, and pesticides, yet we import produce from other countries that do use them. The U.S.D.A. is very lax in inspecting foreign grown produce. ( I worked as an inspector for 10 years ). In some foreign countries, workers can live very well for an entire year on what our workers make in three months or less.

The term "Global Economy" actually means "equalization to the lowest level", and we're rapidly approaching that level. In order to compete in the world market place, we're being forced to lower our standard of living, work for less wages and benefits, and we're allowing innovation, automation, and technology to displace many of our workers. In the near future, our economy will take on a new face, and look more like a third world economy. We've already created a poor and dependent citizenry, and the future doesn't appear to be any brighter concerning employment and self-supporting living wage jobs. Our unfair, unjust, and one-sided foreign trade agreements and policies have negated a century of industrial progress in this once great nation.

We're now importing programmers, doctors, nurses, and engineers. We're off-shore out-sourcing programming, medical billing, call centers ( customer service ), and other task. We have illegal immigrants working in construction, lawn care, meat packaging plants, motels, hotels, and other low-skill jobs. Our jobs are concentrated in certain areas of the country, and many workers can't afford to re-locate for various reasons.

THE REASON FOR OUR ECONOMIC DECLINE: "The Washington Brotherhood" has engaged in "The Selling of America" for many decades now, through many administrations, both Republican and Democrat. THE BLAME: Blame the voters for electing and re-electing professional politicians to run this once great nation.

 

[Mr. H.]

Your two blue lines do not match.

 

[Shrimpbox]

That was my bad. I have misread and transposed the lines.

 

[Mr. H.]

That was my bad. I have misread and transposed the lines.

 

[Asclepias]

Depends on what political spin you want to put on it.

 

[Shrimpbox]

What is going to happen in China when automation sets in?

 

[Asclepias]

What is going to happen in China when automation sets in?

Bigger profits for the Chinese.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Second question. How much will manufacturing employment increase because of cheap energy in this country?

 

[CultureCitizen]

Depends on what political spin you want to put on it.

Well it doesn't look really good , so just give it the the political spin you want to give it.

 

[Asclepias]

Second question. How much will manufacturing employment increase because of cheap energy in this country?

I doubt it will increase very much. Its the information age not the industrial age. Jobs (manufacturing) are going away for good. You can book it.

 

[Asclepias]

Depends on what political spin you want to put on it.

Well it doesn't look really good , so just give it the the political spin you want to give it.

I hate spin. I was hoping you would offer yours and you gave me a little clue. No the sky is not falling. People will transition into other areas.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Increased productivity.
It's why we're not all starving farmers.

 

[Wiggin1]

Second question. How much will manufacturing employment increase because of cheap energy in this country?

Not at all? Cheaper energy will, according the laws of aggregate supply and aggregate demand, increase output in the short run, but that says nothing about employment in the long run. In fact, cheaper energy may actually decrease manufacturing employment because it will be even more cost-effective for firms to use machines instead of humans.

 

[CultureCitizen]

I hate spin. I was hoping you would offer yours and you gave me a little clue. No the sky is not falling. People will transition into other areas.

Ah well... no , the sky is not falling , but one man's fun is another's hell.

Yes, its bad news for people who work in factories and the like . It's bad and its not going to improve , so, they'd better start for a job in the service sector. Bad for dropouts also.
Extrapolating : there will be no factory jobs by 2060.

If you are searching for an employment foucus in the following sectors : financial services, education , healthcare or leisure and hospitality which seem to be the sectors with a real growth.

Finally , even if China collapses completely, production might return to the US, though not the jobs.

Employment by major industry sector

Ah , yes, and stop putting all the blame in illegal immigrants, they have their fair share in this situation, but automation and offshoring are more important.

 

[Asclepias]

I hate spin. I was hoping you would offer yours and you gave me a little clue. No the sky is not falling. People will transition into other areas.

Ah well... no , the sky is not falling , but one man's fun is another's hell.

Yes, its bad news for people who work in factories and the like . It's bad and its not going to improve , so, they'd better start for a job in the service sector. Bad for dropouts also.
Extrapolating : there will be no factory jobs by 2060.

If you are searching for an employment foucus in the following sectors : financial services, education , healthcare or leisure and hospitality which seem to be the sectors with a real growth.

Finally , even if China collapses completely, production might return to the US, though not the jobs.

Employment by major industry sector

This has been coming for decades. It seems as if people cant adjust to reality and change. I've already told my kids to focus on building a business for themselves instead of depending on a job. Thats like a last option.

 

[bripat9643]

Second question. How much will manufacturing employment increase because of cheap energy in this country?

Not at all? Cheaper energy will, according the laws of aggregate supply and aggregate demand, increase output in the short run, but that says nothing about employment in the long run. In fact, cheaper energy may actually decrease manufacturing employment because it will be even more cost-effective for firms to use machines instead of humans.

Hey, let's do away with bulldozers and back hoes and go back to using shovels. That should increase jobs, don't you think?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Second question. How much will manufacturing employment increase because of cheap energy in this country?

I doubt that it will increase. Our labor cost can't compete with cheap foreign labor markets. Labor cost is a huge burden for American employers. We can't compete with sweat shops that employ child labor. Manufacturing is at a huge disadvantage due to our standard of living and the availability of cheap foreign made goods flooding our market place. In time, "The Global Economy" will, to an extent, equalize labor cost and the standard of living. But, in the meantime, that equalization will be very painful for the U.S. economy.

We're already experiencing lost tax revenue from payroll taxes. It would take years to re-open our plants and factories, and to put America back to work, producing what America uses and consumes. It took decades to negate a century of industrial progress, and if it ever happens, it'll take decades to restore it. We may already be at the point of "no return" as far as being a self-supporting nation and citizenry. As technology, innovation, and automation advances, manufacturing will be limited as far as the need for workers.

The "Made In U.S.A." label will be basically limited to exports. Also, keep in mind the number of manufacturing plants in this country that are owned, or partially owned, by foreign companies. We have very few manufacturing start-ups that are entirely American owned. Some of the biggest names on the New York Stock Exchange are corporations either owned, or partially owned by foreign interests. America has lost her place as an industrial giant, and now stands as a dumping ground for cheap foreign made goods.

As far as energy is concerned, alone as a catalyst, it will not be enough to revive the manufacturing sector. It will take a combination of fair, equal, and balanced foreign trade agreements and policies, a pro-America government seated in Washington, and a public demanding economic justice and fair play. As long as we allow "The Selling Of America" by those entrusted with our economic well-being, don't look for America to produce what America uses and consumes. I'm afraid that we've seen the industrial glory years come and go. Manufacturing will be limited to automation, and bulk goods produced for mainly export will be the extent.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Manufacturing will be limited to automation, and bulk goods produced for mainly export will be the extent.

100% idiotic!!

You mean it will be limited if liberal unions, taxes, and deficits keep driving our manufacturing off shore and if liberals keep attacking our schools and families.

Americas share of world manufacturing is still about 20% which is just lower than in past, and, that is with the liberal attack on manufacturing. If TPP passes things will improve further since we're already the most open country and TPP will open other countries to our exports.