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They don't.
Don't be mad because your argument is stupid and wrong. Just learn from your stupidity and try not to look foolish in the future.
How do the non-spiritual explain it?
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Don't be mad because your argument is stupid and wrong. Just learn from your stupidity and try not to look foolish in the future.
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No, not necessarily. Sorry dude.
I speak of the taditional knowledge in Islam.
It is obvious that there is more to life than science. There is something beyond science. You may have a dream and later sees it happening in real life. Those who read the horoscopes frequently know very well that there is more than what we see, even though horoscopes mix one truth with 1000 lies. What science came up with, that man is the result of evolution of apes is a clear proof that there is more to life than science.
The most direct proofs of the existence of an Almighty God are the pathways in the sky above our heads, the rain coming down from the sky and the constellations of the Zodiac. The stars are symmetrical in the sky, if you pay attention and notice the shapes and patterns. Just as you would know from footprints that there is a walker, you know from His act that the Almighty God exists, Doer of all that happens.
One may do some wondrous things without his religion being true. He may be helped by some beings we do not see and who are not necessarily good, and may be evil. It is actually exactly that.
PostmodernProph
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no merely that you can't come up with an astrophysicist that doesn't acknowledge our universe is finely tuned and that our part of it is finely tuned for the carbon based life that exists on it......that we can agree on.......
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PostmodernProph
....fully immersed....
upon what do you base this "probability"?......
PostmodernProph
....fully immersed....
no, that would be the realm of science fiction......
The billions of other suns and planets in our universe
PostmodernProph
....fully immersed....
and "probably" there is no life at all on almost all of them.......
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Well that lets you out, since all you have is an ad hominem.
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PHYSICAL dimensions!
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- Barton Zwiebach
Why didn't you credit the real author?
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Well, that is probably the only true miracle! Jesus miraculously got people to SHARE.
Back then people did not have cars or rapid transit, so invariably they carried dried bread, fish, etc. slack their hunger during their travels to a town, neighbor, etc and back. By starting the sharing with his food, Jesus coaxed others to share theirs and thus turned hungry hoarders into satiated sharers with plenty left over. Only hoarders claim the miracle was a supernatural creating bread and fish from nothing.
Why? The majority of scientists who specialize in this say you are wrong. Based on facts. Don't tell me that the majority of priests agree with you because their studying an out dated text book.
How pointless, as usual. Bossy made a completely bogus argument wherein he claimed all astrophysicists agree the universe is finely tuned. He failed to support that argument just as you have failed to support it.
Actually, that would be the realm of science.
You're at a disadvantage because your madrassah has left you without a science vocabulary.
Boss
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Uhm... not really. We can SAY they are "physical dimensions" because they relate to physical sciences, but since these extra dimensions have not been confirmed or observed, we can't define them as anything, physical or not.
But you do make an interesting point... Let's imagine something for a moment... Let's say that somewhere in the future, science and physics confirms some cosmic evidence for spiritual nature and energy... the age old secret is revealed, God is proven scientifically to exist as a form of spiritual energy supported by physics. Is God still a spiritual entity or is God now a physical entity? Would God change or would our perspective of God change?
Boss
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Speed of Light
Gravitational Constant
Planck's Constant
Planck Mass-Energy
Mass of Electron, Proton, Neutron
Mass of Up, Down, Strange Quark
Ratio of Electron to Proton Mass
Gravitational Coupling Constant
Cosmological Constant
Hubble Constant
Higgs Vacuum Expectation Value
The above values are precise and constant. If ANY of these values were off by just a hair, there could be no interacting life of any kind, anywhere. There would be no universe as we know it. It IS finely tuned, there is no question it is finely tuned, and anyone who doesn't believe this is a science-illiterate moron.
Here is the full quote you didn't get the other day when I paraphrased on my smart phone:
“Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, ‘This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!’ This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it’s still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything’s going to be all right, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise.” - Douglas Adams
Complexity/Order does not prove god exists. The Teleological argument, or Argument from Design, is a non sequitur. Complexity does not imply design and does not prove the existence of a god. Even if design could be established we cannot conclude anything about the nature of the designer (Aliens?). Furthermore, many biological systems have obvious defectsconsistent with the predictions of evolution by means of natural selection.
The appearance of complexity and order in the universe is the result of spontaneous self-organisation and pattern formation, caused by chaotic feedback between simple physical laws and rules. All the complexity of the universe, all its apparent richness,even life itself, arises from simple, mindless rules repeated over and over again for billions of years. Current scientific theories are able to clearly explain how complexity and order arise in physical systems. Any lack of understanding does not immediately imply ‘god’.
The appearance of complexity and order in the universe is the result of spontaneous self-organisation and pattern formation, caused by chaotic feedback between simple physical laws and rules. All the complexity of the universe, all its apparent richness,even life itself, arises from simple, mindless rules repeated over and over again for billions of years. Current scientific theories are able to clearly explain how complexity and order arise in physical systems. Any lack of understanding does not immediately imply ‘god’.
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bossy: ... and it coincidentally happens to be fine tuned.
which part, the Garden or the 99.9% universe admired by the sudo-spiritualist ?
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Why are you quoting Stenger and Adams and attributing it to me?
- you are the one attributing a "finely tuned universe" to Spirituality, el pseudo ...
not one blade of grass from 200 million years ago to the present or for all eternity will ever be the same.
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